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#401 Amz964

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 11:40

Evans flying this morning such a shame about his puncture and suspension damage yesterday although was self inflicted. Still too close to call although Tanak slowly pulling away from Ogier.

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#402 Fatgadget

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 12:03

Same here love tarmac rallies although getting one back through rally Japan but there needs to be another one too many gravel rallies in my opinion, rally Ireland perhaps?

Same cannot wait for Kenya although it's probably going to be a tame version of the beast rally it once was.

Will it be the same week -end as the Circuit of Ireland? :D



#403 OvDrone

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 13:32

Tanak is going to take the crown this year, huh. Damn.



#404 tormave

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 19:05

Tanak is going to take the crown this year, huh. Damn.

 

 

I really, really, REALLY hope so after last year’s disappointment, but it’s anything but settled yet. I can’t believe none of the frontrunners put a foot wrong all day, and the gaps are still absolutely non-existent in the top-3. One overshot junction, and 10 seconds are gone. If you had to guess who would bend (but not break) and slip down the rangking out of the 3 of them, not many people would’ve bet on Ogier? Anyway it’s been a fantastic battle with Tanäk, Ogier and Neuville all on maximum attack all day, battling over mere tenths. It’s still all to play for on Sunday - can’t wait!

 

Craig Breen gets the award for the worst off ever after which the car was still fully on speed  :eek: . If you roll the car downhill over a ditch 4 times, a couple of dents, broken headlights, cracked windscreen, and a one semi-loose GoPro is simply an unbelievable outcome. They could’ve just kept going right away, but I guess even they could not believe the car would be OK after offing it so thoroughly, and got out of the car.



#405 Silberpfeil

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 19:50

I was super impressed with Tanak today. He looked quite upset after he lost the rear bumper, and still managed to increase his overall lead on the next two stages. The final one in particular was mega. I didn’t think it was possible to go a second quicker than Neuville through there.

#406 Myrvold

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 23:40

Craig Breen gets the award for the worst off ever after which the car was still fully on speed  :eek:

 

Colin McRae from Cyprus 02 wants a word!

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Granted, that wasn't one, but two separate rolls. Still pushed in top 5 times, and got 6th in the rally. 


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#407 messy

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 07:16

I think this rally’s going to be remembered as a bit of a classic by the seven people watching it.

The three protagonists going at it, pushing each other, pure competition, three drivers three different cars.

Really hoping Tanak finishes the job but I’m still half expecting to read later this morning that he’s lost four minutes with a radiator problem, and that Ogier has inched ahead of Neuville.......

#408 tormave

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 10:54

Ogier gave up the fight after the first stage, but Thierry is still pushing. Ott just refuses to yield any of his lead margin over the morning stages. Just the power stage left now - I’m picking Evans to win the max bonus points and Ott to win the rally.



#409 tormave

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 12:23

Well that was bloody brilliant. Ott takes a further 11 points on both Ogier and Neuville.



#410 Silberpfeil

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 12:34

Methinks if Tänak wins Spain he‘ll be champion, right?

25 points minimum vs 23 points maximum for Ogier equates to a 30 points advantage in the championship and the higher number of wins.

#411 messy

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 12:47

I really don’t see how Tanak can lose this now. Incredible performance all weekend.

Neuville too, to be honest. He went with him.

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 12:49

Petter Solberg won his last WRC event in WRC2. So pleased for him. Look forward to his son taking over the mantle and winning rally’s in the WRC.
Has been a fantastic rally and loved every minute. Hope Ott can hold on to grab the title.

#413 lixlax

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 13:13

Still a bit early, but will the 15 year long french reign finally come to an end?



#414 Silberpfeil

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 13:22

Petter Solberg won his last WRC event in WRC2. So pleased for him. Look forward to his son taking over the mantle and winning rally’s in the WRC.
Has been a fantastic rally and loved every minute. Hope Ott can hold on to grab the title.


As a Solberg fan for more than 15 years, this was undoubtedly a special weekend. I still remember Oliver crying into his dad’s shoulder after Petter lost the win last year in Austin, and the sense of foreboding that engulfed me in that moment – “That’s it, we might not actually see Petter win again.” Seldom have I been so glad to be proven wrong. That was the most perfect way to bow out and say goodbye to an event that gave so much to him (and that he gave so much to) for so many years.

#415 Bloggsworth

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 13:24

Oh dear, Meek finished 4th again, such a crap driver...



#416 tormave

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 14:46

Toyota closed the gap to Hyundai to 8 points. On one hand I really want Tommi’s team to get the double this year, but I’d also like Hyundai to stay in WRC after winning their first. Australia might favor Toyota more, while Spain should be better for Hyundai?



#417 Jvr

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 15:21

Petter Solberg won his last WRC event in WRC2. So pleased for him. Look forward to his son taking over the mantle and winning rally’s in the WRC.
Has been a fantastic rally and loved every minute. Hope Ott can hold on to grab the title.

I am so pleased he got his win in the category and climbed on top of the car at the end!

He will be missed so much. 



#418 Jerem

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 18:56

Rovanperä wins the rally and becomes WRC2 pro champion, less than a week after turning 19 years old. Quite promising.



#419 TauriJ

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 19:22

Toyota closed the gap to Hyundai to 8 points. On one hand I really want Tommi’s team to get the double this year, but I’d also like Hyundai to stay in WRC after winning their first. Australia might favor Toyota more, while Spain should be better for Hyundai?

Hyundai is pretty bad on tarmac.



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#420 ceesvdelst

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 19:24

Meeke was probably driving to orders from Toyota to finish, he was fairly close.

 

I think really with Kris if he pushes to 100% he likely crashes, whereas guys like Ogier Tanak and co can do that and win. Neuville seems fairly similar, but I think with him it is mental, with Kris he just can't keep it on the road if he drives flat out!  Every time. 



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 05:23

Hyundai is pretty bad on tarmac.

In Germany Tanak and Neuville were pretty much on equal pace until the latter had a puncture. Also Evans won in Corsica so I expect a close fight like RAC.



#422 Dutchrudder

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:26

When i was a youngster growing up in Llandudno, i never had any qualms about ragging my 182 clio around the Great Orme without a team of divers waiting to fish me out if it all went wrong. :D

#423 tormave

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 13:36

Hyundai is pretty bad on tarmac.

 

We've not had many data points on this, but those suggested to me that Citroen was the off-pace team on pavement. Neuville and Sordo are both extremely competent on tarmac. Sordo has had more success on gravel as of late, but I think that was more to reliability issues he's had than his driving form.



#424 Jvr

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 14:19

We've not had many data points on this, but those suggested to me that Citroen was the off-pace team on pavement. Neuville and Sordo are both extremely competent on tarmac. Sordo has had more success on gravel as of late, but I think that was more to reliability issues he's had than his driving form.

You must be referring to Rally Germany this year where Citroen lacked both downforce and straight speed (nice combination by the way) on tarmac. On another hand in Corsica earlier Ogier was second and had no such difficulties.

Sordo has left me with a positive impression on gravel this year as I considered him a more as a tarmac specialist.



#425 Myrvold

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 15:23

Sordo has left me with a positive impression on gravel this year as I considered him a more as a tarmac specialist.

 

He has had a nice starting position on most rallies though, that have helped him slightly. He has had some very good gravel results before as well. I actually think Sordo have gained a bit from going from full-time to part time.



#426 messy

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 17:09

Sordo’s apparent improvement I think is mainly down to running order.

That said, I like him and am glad he’s no longer in the one-timers club.

#427 Amz964

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 22:11

Hyundai is pretty bad on tarmac.

See I don't think they are Neuville won in Corsica although because Evans had a puncture on the last stage. I think M Sport have the best car on tarmac and shame Evans didn't run in Germany as think he could have at least challenged for the win based on Sunninen's pace. However hard to choose for RAC rally as it's mixed but should be good to watch.

On Tarmac I would put the cars in this order

1. M-Sport Ford
2. Hyundai and Toyota very close behind
3. Slightly behind them would put Citroen although in my opinion Ogier makes them look better on tarmac then they really are

Edited by Amz964, 07 October 2019 - 22:14.


#428 noikeee

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 14:05

Citroen tests WRC's most radical aero yet ahead of Rally Spain

 

Optimus Prime, is that you? Shades of the 2008 BMW Sauber here.



#429 Jvr

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 15:06

Rumours that Tänak has stopped negotiating with Mäkinen and deals directly with Japan instead.  :eek:



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Posted 15 October 2019 - 16:31

Rumours that Tänak has stopped negotiating with Mäkinen and deals directly with Japan instead.  :eek:

 

Whatever it takes to get the deal done, I'd want to see Ott win many more rallies for Tommi and Toyota.



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Posted 25 October 2019 - 15:55

So, according to Autosport, Tänak will go to Hyundai – which both Tänak and Adamo have denied today. Mäkinen says nothing has been signed on his end.

And Ogier may be contemplating a Toyota move.

'Tis truly the silliest of seasons. I give up.

Edited by Silberpfeil, 25 October 2019 - 15:56.


#432 tormave

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Posted 25 October 2019 - 16:55

What a dumpster fire of a day 1 for Citroen! Atypical Friday in that there's clear blocks of Hyundai, Toyota, Ford in the results.



#433 anyeis

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Posted 25 October 2019 - 19:22

Maybe the problem for Tänak is nobody knows how long Toyota will be in WRC..

Hyundai offered longer term?

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Posted 25 October 2019 - 19:29

Please don’t sign Ogier, Tommi!
 

I’m rather enjoying seeing him not winning. 



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Posted 25 October 2019 - 19:58

Please don’t sign Ogier, Tommi!
 

I’m rather enjoying seeing him not winning. 

 

I didn't mind Ogier winning in the Fiesta, and I wouldn't mind him winning in the Toyota either, if there's stiff opposition.

 

There was interesting chatter in All Live today. EP Lappi commented on the times being super close on SS4. He was nearly fastest, but all WRC cars were within 2 seconds before Sordo extended the gaps a bit. This is pretty amazing considering they no longer have the split times in the car. Craig Breen commented, that for stages run the previous year all crews study the lines from the winning times from WRC Plus All Live, and hence everyone's times end up being super close. On one hand this is a bit sad, as memorizing video is making recce and pace notes less important, but the fact the pack is bunched up tighter together makes for brilliant rallies for the spectators.



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Posted 26 October 2019 - 06:34

Interesting bit of aftermath to the Citroën drama yesterday:

Ogier‘s wife, Andrea Kaiser, complained on Twitter about how it was a shame Citroën put the World Champion in a car such as that. Also, the hashtag #****roën was included – I trust you know what to make of that.

Now, I‘ve never really thought much of her as a sports presenter, but from someone who has worked in sports media for as long as she has, I‘d have expected a bit more… discretion, I suppose.

Especially considering the title might‘ve been all but wrapped up already if Toyota actually had something even close to approaching Citroën‘s reliability this year.

#437 Wingcommander

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 05:56

We are so close to seeing Ogier dethroned... 



#438 ceesvdelst

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 10:05

To be fair to Ogier, I know a lot of people don't like him, but at LEAST he has won rallies and titles in numerous different cars. Who thought he could turn the Ford into a routine winner, he did, he has worked wonders with the Citroen, and he was utterly dominant in the Polo, and a match for others in cars before that who were unmatched. That for me is a great achievement and in some ways better than anyone else.

 

I am shocked by Tanak, we all know he is perhaps the quickest at the moment, and to only win one title and then maybe go to a team not good enough?  At least go for two more years and win a few!

 

is it all about money, or perhaps as I expect, he does not like the limelight and the fame and simply wants a fat pay day before retiring!! To a farm where he can be left alone!!



#439 tormave

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 12:16

Ott WDC! 



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#440 Amz964

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 12:18

Tanak WDC 2019 and to be fair no one can say he didn't deserve it considering reliability issues etc he still won it convincingly he was just so quick this year. First time since 2003 anyone other then Sebastian has won the WRC.

Bit disappointed with M Sport pace this weekend thought they would be closer.

#441 noikeee

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 12:18

Congratulations Ott Tanak!!

#442 Muppetmad

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 12:28

The Sébastien streak has been broken. In truth, it should have been broken a few years back by Neuville, but many congratulations to Tanak on an excellent season. Ogier's run was always going to come to an end, but to his credit, it could have come a lot sooner, and he has held in valiantly in the past few years, even when he's clearly not in his best form.



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Posted 27 October 2019 - 13:10

I thought it was part of the FIA rules that you had to be named Sebastien to win the World Rally Championship?  ;)

 

Anyway, congratulations to Tanak. Great to have a new name (in every sense) on the trophy.



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Posted 27 October 2019 - 13:44

Huge congrats to Ott ! He has been impeccable. Welcome to legend status; it's an honour.



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Posted 27 October 2019 - 14:57

I was 10 years old the last time someone not called Sebastien won the World Championship. That’s crazy. Congratulations to Tanak.

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 15:11

Congratulations to Ott. In one of the closest championships in recent memory, with three driver pairings from three manufacturers going at it virtually unopposed by anyone else for most of the year, he and Martin were truly the pair that stood out. It‘s a well deserved maiden championship,

As an aside, I think him and Petter Solberg bookending the ”Seb years“ is a fantastic combination.

Also, sealing the title with an impeccable power stage run on a weekend where WRC‘s most recent ”nearly man“ and Ott’s maybe future teammate was the driver to beat was some delicious irony.

I don‘t think Thierry was best pleased about that…

#447 messy

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 15:38

A WRC championship not won by a Frenchman called Sebastien!! I honestly didn’t think we’d ever see such a thing again. 
 

now, Tanak joins Neuville at Hyundai and by the sound of it Ogier’s camp are pushing like mad for a move away from Citroen. I truly fear the thought of a Ogier in a Toyota Yaris. Cant help feeling that things are pretty nicely balanced as it is and I don’t want to see the chess pieces move the way they seem to be heading. I’ve absolutely loved this 2017- WRC era and seeing Tanak and Toyota take this years title is the icing on the cake. 
 

I bet Neuville is absolutely fed up of finishing second in the standings now though.


Edited by messy, 27 October 2019 - 15:39.


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Posted 27 October 2019 - 16:28

I don't watch WRC, but I followed results of last couple of rounds and was thinking how Ogier would win it at the end. Shocked to see somebody else than Ogier/Loeb win.



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Posted 27 October 2019 - 17:09

A WRC championship not won by a Frenchman called Sebastien!! I honestly didn’t think we’d ever see such a thing again. 
 

now, Tanak joins Neuville at Hyundai and by the sound of it Ogier’s camp are pushing like mad for a move away from Citroen. I truly fear the thought of a Ogier in a Toyota Yaris. Cant help feeling that things are pretty nicely balanced as it is and I don’t want to see the chess pieces move the way they seem to be heading. I’ve absolutely loved this 2017- WRC era and seeing Tanak and Toyota take this years title is the icing on the cake. 
 

I bet Neuville is absolutely fed up of finishing second in the standings now though.

 

I echo your thoughts. And especially as a big Neuville fan. WRC from 2017 has been nothing short of stellar. And I think it's starting to pay off.


Edited by OvDrone, 27 October 2019 - 17:10.


#450 TheMessiah

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 22:11

Pleased to see Ogier not win it. I was a huge fan of his, especially when he went to Ford, he really stepped up to the plate. I think had he stayed at Ford he would have won it again this year.