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#301 pitlanepalpatine

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 03:41

Mercedes haven't even been a team for a decade. They fired the upper admin and lead driver for failing after 3 years. Obviously they havent been firing recently because they have been winning, but its the same mindset.

 

Brawn wasn't fired, Brawn quit because he wasn't comfortable in the environment anymore and had his decisions undermined. Schumacher was just a consequence in the sense that they envisioned Rosberg as their future but Lauda sold them on Hamilton so Schumacher, as a support driver, had no where left to go.

 

From what happened to Paddy Lowe it's pretty obvious that the issue was there is only one Toto of the Ring, only one who bends it to his will, and he does not share power...whatever Lauda might think.


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#302 P123

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:31

Mercedes haven't even been a team for a decade. They fired the upper admin and lead driver for failing after 3 years. Obviously they havent been firing recently because they have been winning, but its the same mindset.


The lead driver was Rosberg. If it were meant to be Schumacher then 3 years seems a fair amount of time to be given a crack at it, rather than it being an example of cutthroat blame culture. Brawn was being edged sideways after Wolff and Lauda bought the Aabar stake, and Brawn's role being diminished was as much motivated by external factors too, as Ecclestone refused to deal with him. I don't think many thought at the time that it was wise to let Brawn go.

#303 RekF1

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 13:47

Brawn wasn't fired, Brawn quit because he wasn't comfortable in the environment anymore and had his decisions undermined. Schumacher was just a consequence in the sense that they envisioned Rosberg as their future but Lauda sold them on Hamilton so Schumacher, as a support driver, had no where left to go.
 
From what happened to Paddy Lowe it's pretty obvious that the issue was there is only one Toto of the Ring, only one who bends it to his will, and he does not share power...whatever Lauda might think.


I agree with this and it's why it takes me a while to respect Toto. Initially his argument was that the old style of one person at the top overseeing the operation was outdated and the triumvirate approach was better. Toto is clearly the one person at the top of the pyramid calling the shots which is what Brawn wanted to be and Toto was against. However, let's be honest, he's not doing a bad job is he?

PS- totally chuffed for dropping triumvirate in here.

#304 Sterzo

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 14:15

PS- totally chuffed for dropping triumvirate in here.

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#305 Poep

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 14:57

Schumacher wasn't fired. He was offered a contract extension, but opted not to stay any longer because he didn't want to be away from his family for so long anymore when spending lonely nights in hotels during race weekends. It was just that they announced Hamilton's arrival prior to letting Schumi announce his retirement that implied otherwise.

 

Brawn quit because he wasn't comfortable with working with Toto and Lauda anymore (who could blame him) and had his decisions undermined.

 

But enough about Mercedes, let's get back to topic please: Ferrari's replacement of Arrivabene.



#306 Enzoluis

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 18:50

Care to elaborate a bit?


You can hear the conversation between him and the pit wall. He asked to send Massa to cover Webber and when that obviously fail he decided to come in. Nobody in the pit had the balls to tell him no.

#307 Enzoluis

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 18:52

Behind the wheel,whilst simultaneously on the pitwall. What a guy!


That is his defect, great driver but one man team.

#308 Enzoluis

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 19:00

Ferrari had a big hand in turning the inline-4 (what FIA and Renault wanted) into the current V6 engine concept. While it's true that engine development was restricted, that can no longer be an excuse today.
 
Mercedes did a better job going into 2014, they then had some help protecting that advantage (a situation all other teams helped bake into the regulations!), but they've just been way better in recent years. It's been half a decade! Time to get on with it. :cool:


I do not know if it is not longer today, if you have to catch up power while extending the shelf life you are in a disadvantage. And they did a good job, but to me is far more impressive the Ferrari catch up since 2015 specially looking at the others competitors Renault and Honda.

#309 Loosenut

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 20:05

Schumacher wasn't fired. He was offered a contract extension, but opted not to stay any longer because he didn't want to be away from his family for so long anymore when spending lonely nights in hotels during race weekends. It was just that they announced Hamilton's arrival prior to letting Schumi announce his retirement that implied otherwise.

That's twice he retired a year too soon!

#310 as65p

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 20:13

You can hear the conversation between him and the pit wall. He asked to send Massa to cover Webber and when that obviously fail he decided to come in. Nobody in the pit had the balls to tell him no.

 

BS. And that's the friendly description, which assumes you remember wrong instead of plain lying.

 

It was the team which called him, as per usual.



#311 DeKnyff

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 21:49

You can hear the conversation between him and the pit wall. He asked to send Massa to cover Webber and when that obviously fail he decided to come in. Nobody in the pit had the balls to tell him no.

You have just made up that.