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#201 sopa

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 07:28

Do you have any idea of what Kimi or Mika may have done behind the scenes? Of course not... because most people say nothing. Perhaps someone should ask David Coulthard...

As I said - Jacques has always been too honest for his own good.

 

Characters are different though. Doesn't mean everyone is cut from the same cloth. I don't see Kimi and Mika pulling nasty things on their team-mates. Coulthard's biggest off-track "issue" may have been that Ron Dennis simply loved the Finns more, not some personal matters with the Finns.



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#202 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 07:35

Your absolutely right... and I can't see Mika or Kimi playing the games Jacques did or might have. Then again they may have used different tactics that we are unaware of.

Unless they or someone talks, who is to know? Besides when you look at the likes of Piquet, Pironi (do we even touch on Senna/Prost!?) JV doesn't look so brutal anymore. As far as we know anyway!

Edited by PlayboyRacer, 20 January 2019 - 07:59.


#203 Tsarwash

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 12:17

Do you have any idea of what Kimi or Mika may have done behind the scenes? Of course not... because most people say nothing. Perhaps someone should ask David Coulthard...

As I said - Jacques has always been too honest for his own good.

You are saying; JV is an arsehole, but all drivers are and must be arseholes to get to this position, therefore JV is the same as everybody else, but in fact they are worse because he doesn't try to pretend otherwise. 

 

I say, statistically speaking, not all successful drivers can be arseholes, and prior evidence has shown that not all drivers are arseholes, and it seems likely to me that you have come to your conclusion in order to justify the bad behaviour that you have attributed to your favourite driver.

 

However if you have evidence that all successful; drivers are or must be arseholes, I am happy to listen to it. 



#204 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 12:34

So what stats and evidence do you have to back up your claim that most successful drivers aren't capable of being arseholes? Unless your behind the scenes of everything, how would you know who was an arsehole? Who was shifty? Who used underhanded tactics, played political games etc etc.

You have no idea. JV is one of my favourites, was an arsehole and could be an absolute **** at times, not to mention arrogant, abrasive and the rest. But he admits certain things others wouldn't. He ****ed with Frentzen the moment he started at Williams and JV couldn't care less. He has a record Frentzen would kill for and Patrick Head said himself that HHF wasn't enough of a bastard.

Look at the champions. How many, on the surface, look and acted like gentlemen without a hint of arsehole in them? Hakkinen? Yeah most likely... Raikkonen? Yeah. Perhaps Nico Rosberg? Damon Hill for sure.

I can't think of too many more. And thats without knowing a damn thing about what goes on behind the scenes.

Now check out some of the rest of recent times - Piquet, Mansell, Prost, Senna, Hunt, Jones, Scheckter, Schumacher, Villeneuve, Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel... shall I go on?

Yep... bunch of down to earth, straight laced gentlemen right there...

Edited by PlayboyRacer, 20 January 2019 - 12:41.


#205 messy

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 16:22

I think the 1990s was littered with drivers who had the natural talent to be among the best of their era but....not the arrogance, the arsehole factor. Too meek, too easily intimidated and played with. As examples I'd name Frentzen and Fisichella as probably the most obvious but there were surely more. The on the other side you have the drivers who had the mentality, the single-minded forceful character but rather limited ability (compared to the absolute best, its all relative) who made everything of what they had - and I'd include Villeneuve in that, alongside maybe Coulthard, Ralf Schumacher.....

Most of the 'nice guys' didn't end up on top of the world, probably the only exception in my mind is Hakkinen. Villeneuve for me SHOULD have been troubled massively by Frentzen in '97 and as discussed in the other thread the fact they were so much closer the following season when there wasn't a potential WDC up for grabs says as much - but Villeneuve played the mind games and broke him from the outset. Basically, being a bit of a tw*t won him a World Championship, didn't it?

#206 sopa

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 16:44

Look at the champions. How many, on the surface, look and acted like gentlemen without a hint of arsehole in them? Hakkinen? Yeah most likely... Raikkonen? Yeah. Perhaps Nico Rosberg? Damon Hill for sure.
 

 

Nico Rosberg sure looked suspicious and even pulled the odd trick on Hamilton on the track. I wouldn't trust him on being "nice".

 

So I'd disregard Rosberg and perhaps raise Button as a 'nice' champion instead. Yeah, some argue that he managed to turn the McLaren team to favour him instead of Hamilton, but even if he managed that I assume he won the team over by being a positive guy, not an arsehole.



#207 Jim Thurman

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 20:47

Despite the overwhelming majority of posts, I'm trying to figure why the thread title has been interpreted to only apply to F1 drivers.

 

Kudos to those who read the title accurately and are able to think outside a narrow, little box  :up:



#208 PayasYouRace

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 21:18

Probably because the plague of top 10 threads that infected Racing Comments in the past month or so were mostly F1 based.

#209 messy

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 21:42

Despite the overwhelming majority of posts, I'm trying to figure why the thread title has been interpreted to only apply to F1 drivers.

Kudos to those who read the title accurately and are able to think outside a narrow, little box :up:

Edit - original post removed because the whole point of it was posting a picture and it failed on it's arse as usual because I simply can't work out how to post pictures on this site. Every time I try, it doesn't work. No matter what method I try. So I give up. AAAAAaaaaaarrrggghhhhhh.

It was a photograph of everyone's favourite, Jorge Lorenzo. If anyone cares. AAAAaaaaaaaah.

Edited by messy, 20 January 2019 - 21:49.


#210 ensign14

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 22:18

Despite the overwhelming majority of posts, I'm trying to figure why the thread title has been interpreted to only apply to F1 drivers.

 

That has prompted me to suggest Floyd Davis, who is down as an Indy 500 winner, as opposed to loads of Bettenhausens, Eddie Sachs, Earl Cooper, and Michael Andretti and Harry Hartz as drivers, all of whom merited a win, whereas Davis did the square root of eff all to win his. 



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Posted 20 January 2019 - 22:32

Someone being on the Borg Warner who shouldn't be is one thing, but the OCD in me is far more annoyed by Troy Ruttman and Johnny Rutherford (1980), whose trophy likenesses are in the wrong place, hence messing up their entire rows. Grrrrrr.

#212 alframsey

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 22:59

Massa, Nico and that's about ti. Nico really gets under my skin.



#213 as65p

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Posted Yesterday, 00:10

Massa, Nico and that's about ti. Nico really gets under my skin.

Quite understandable IMO. I have a lot of respect for what he has achieved with the tools at his disposal, i.e. his talent, against a driver who clearly had more of it. But out of the car it's always cringeworthy. Virtually the same I feel about Jackie Stewart.



#214 PayasYouRace

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Posted Yesterday, 06:58

Someone being on the Borg Warner who shouldn't be is one thing, but the OCD in me is far more annoyed by Troy Ruttman and Johnny Rutherford (1980), whose trophy likenesses are in the wrong place, hence messing up their entire rows. Grrrrrr.


What’s the story there? Sounds interesting.

While we’re on the subject, how many spaces are left before they’ll need a new trophy?

#215 Henri Greuter

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Posted Yesterday, 08:02

That has prompted me to suggest Floyd Davis, who is down as an Indy 500 winner, as opposed to loads of Bettenhausens, Eddie Sachs, Earl Cooper, and Michael Andretti and Harry Hartz as drivers, all of whom merited a win, whereas Davis did the square root of eff all to win his.



One guess for your feelings towards L.L. Corum is likely enough.....

#216 JRodrigues

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Posted Yesterday, 09:18

Alonso, Vettel, Grosjen, Ricciardo, Massa.

 

Ok.. Let's not forget Kyle Busch as well..



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Posted Yesterday, 09:32

One guess for your feelings towards L.L. Corum is likely enough.....

 

Corum at least had a fifth the previous year in something that was utter rubbish.  And whereas he was puttering around in 1924 for the first part of the race, he then put a wriggle on and was in the top five, and catching the leaders hand over fist, when Boyer took over.  He might have won it on his tod.  His record suggested he was thinking of the full 500 miles rather than leading at any time for the sake of it.
 



#218 B Squared

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Posted Yesterday, 10:11

What’s the story there? Sounds interesting.

While we’re on the subject, how many spaces are left before they’ll need a new trophy?

Just as before, a new base will be added. A new trophy will not be needed.

#219 PayasYouRace

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Posted Yesterday, 10:51

Just as before, a new base will be added. A new trophy will not be needed.


Oh so it just gets taller over time? I take it the main body of the trophy has been all faced up for years then?

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#220 E.B.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:11

What’s the story there? Sounds interesting.

While we’re on the subject, how many spaces are left before they’ll need a new trophy?


It's not interesting, it's utter geekdom. The normal ordering is to start at the top and then once a row is filled, they move down one space and across one space and start over. But for reasons unknown those two don't fit the pattern.

The main trophy was filled by Bobby Rahal in 1986, the base still has a fair few spaces left.

#221 B Squared

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Posted Yesterday, 11:11

Oh so it just gets taller over time? I take it the main body of the trophy has been all faced up for years then?

Correct; the history of the trophy at the Speedway site:

https://www.indianap...g-warner-trophy

#222 Henri Greuter

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Posted Yesterday, 11:17

Correct; the history of the trophy at the Speedway site:

https://www.indianap...g-warner-trophy




Wikipedia ain't bad either with the lay-out of the trophy being visualized as well.

#223 E.B.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:28

Wikipedia ain't bad either with the lay-out of the trophy being visualized as well.


If I had known that I wouldn't have spent half an hour photographing the damn thing.

#224 Zmeej

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Posted Yesterday, 15:32

Not sure if my memory is faulty or if I wasn't paying sufficient attention at the time, but I don't recall Villeneuve playing mind games with Frentzen. Do remember that he gave as good as he got from Schumi, which is sufficiently impressive in and of itself.

Also remember that he tried to bully Damon a bit, but the latter would have none of it, and put Jacques in his place a few times, with words and driving.

FWIW, am kinda biased towards my compatriot, but not blind. He was mediocre in the rain and at Monaco.
And yet, never found him annoying. That others found him annoying made it all the more fun to be a fan. :cool:

Found his choice of hairstyles & GFs weird, but figgered that was his business.

Most annoying, The Swerve - no contest.
2. The SchumAlp
3. Pedro Diniz
4. AJ Foyt (Cracker par excellence)

The ranking of the rest requires additional thought & effort, to which I'm not presently inclined, but I'm glad Monsieur Alliot has been mentioned. :p

Edited by Zmeej, Yesterday, 16:09.


#225 Tsarwash

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Posted Yesterday, 16:11

So what stats and evidence do you have to back up your claim that most successful drivers aren't capable of being arseholes? Unless your behind the scenes of everything, how would you know who was an arsehole? Who was shifty? Who used underhanded tactics, played political games etc etc.

That's not actually what I said though, is it ? You have inserted the words 'most' and 'capable' when I did not use them. You are suggesting that all successful drivers are arseholes. I will put your questions back to you, unless you are behind the scenes of everything, how do you know that all successful drivers are arseholes ? Are you just assuming that they are, or do you have any evidence to demonstrate this to me ? 

 

I'm not suggesting that your list of arsehole drivers is inaccurate, but refuting the idea that you have to be an arsehole in order to find success. I think that there are certain known drivers that prove my point. 



#226 Henri Greuter

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Posted Yesterday, 18:45

If I had known that I wouldn't have spent half an hour photographing the damn thing.

 

 

You wanted to have close-up pictures anyway I bet .....

 

(At least I do, if only to show people on occasion I've seen the real thing and once touched it too....)



#227 E.B.

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Posted Yesterday, 19:27

Yes, very true. The drivers' heads look surprisingly impressive close up. I first saw it at the IMS museum but couldn't get all that close, but luckily at Goodwood last year it was literally within touching distance.

#228 ensign14

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Posted Yesterday, 20:31

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And I was SOOOO close to getting an Iwo Jima pic...

 

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#229 Atreiu

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Posted Yesterday, 21:27

Sometimes the racer isn't even annoying, but his fanbase is the worse and then the association becomes inevitable.



#230 FordFiesta

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Posted Today, 12:08

^This.^