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#5001 A3

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:28

I thought VTT is around $60m.
 
Spread over three years, it is only $20m per year (similar to Ricciardo salary) which is not too bad at all really.


As far as I know it's 15 mil for a VTT and 15 mil for the 360 simulator Red Bull have.

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#5002 MortenF1

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 09:05

Can’t believe the costs of such rigs! Only one supplier or what?

Edited by MortenF1, 01 September 2019 - 09:05.


#5003 pryanjack

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 14:43

Meh, screwed at the start ...

#5004 Amz964

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 14:46

Yeah car was quicker than the results show I feel. Both cars compromised at the start and wouldn't be surprised if Ric got damage from the contact.

#5005 Stonk

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 05:35

well, everyone loves us right now  :lol:   :wave:



#5006 Reddington

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 05:41

well, everyone loves us right now :lol: :wave:

Well, that’s the result of doing it again and again. Cyril keeps blabbing, Chester keeps designing the same car over and over again, team strategists keep reading it worse at the track with all the info available to them than viewers at home.

Only the engine seems to have grunt, yet that positive is negated by the fact it is still not fully reliable.

What’s not to love?

They are consistent, I’ll give them that.

Edited by Reddington, 02 September 2019 - 05:42.


#5007 gowebber

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 08:04

The car was actually quick here but as usual theres one or more screwups self or non-self inflicted stuffing things up. Beyond frustrating.

#5008 Reddington

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 08:56

The car was actually quick here but as usual theres one or more screwups self or non-self inflicted stuffing things up. Beyond frustrating.

 

Agreed with both statements. They looked quick. But who needs competition when you are at Renault? They are their own worst enemy it seems. You'd think that after the summer break they would come out refreshed and with all guns blazing at a track that seemed to suit them.

 

Such a shame to see Dan getting wasted there. But then, he knew what he was signing up for I guess. Still sucks that he felt he had to leave. As a fan, I liked the previous years a lot better. And I don't see signs of improvement at Renault. Sure, they will had the odd good result, track specific, bit of luck (either on track, or finally lucking into a good strategy) etc, but they need a very different "restart" than just signing another new driver to get things rolling in the right direction. And with all we hear the past weeks, it seems it's getting worse instead of better.


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#5009 statman

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 10:05

new spec engine:

 

https://www.grandpri...ints-sainz.html

 

Sainz admits he "expected more" from the new Renault.

 

"The new engine? I didn't notice anything. There is nothing new in terms of performance. "It is the C specification, so there will be no more engine improvements now. I expected a little more, but if I'm honest there isn't much at all," he added.

 

Given yesterdays race, it must have been an enjoyable weekend for Cyril. His own team basically not showing up in a much anticipated race, Norris grinding to a halt with an engine issue.

 

“This weekend has been difficult for a number of reasons. We need to reflect and then turn our thoughts to Monza where we hope our pace can be equally decent but rewarded with more points.”

 

 

Difficult, reflect. Cyril always knows the right words!



#5010 Reddington

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 10:45

...Norris grinding to a halt with an engine issue...

 

Sainz didn't make it either, did he?



#5011 statman

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:20

McLaren wants transparency on Renault engine issues

 

https://www.motorspo...es-spa/4527918/

 

:smoking:


Edited by statman, 03 September 2019 - 09:21.


#5012 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:27

McLaren wants transparency on Renault engine issues

 

https://www.motorspo...es-spa/4527918/

 

The key point is that they are Renault power units, they are superb and wonderful units which perform great in the McLaren and Renault.  Very mature units with lots of development behind them.  A little TLC and temperamental behaviour (the occasional non-finish) is fine.  :up:   :)



#5013 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:47

Being responsible for the chassis...

 

Why doesn't Renault trial a more outwash-type front wing to see if it can improve their rear end instability problems? It doesn't have to be as aggressive as McLaren, just somewhere in-between Renault's current design and the extreme versions of McLaren, Ferrari, Toro Rosso and Alfa Romeo. 

 

Red Bull's switch to a slightly shallower outboard part of the front wing, combined with slight taper on the top edge of FW endplates, and (combined with a larger crossover duct for blown front wheel) proved very effective at fixing the RB15's  rear end instability.  

 

Perhaps Renault could achieve even a partial gain by such a change too!? 

 

It should be simple to implement.  One also wonders why Renault have not introduced a boomerang-wing into their bargeboards.  :confused:


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 03 September 2019 - 09:48.


#5014 SenorSjon

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:35

The key point is that they are Renault power units, they are superb and wonderful units which perform great in the McLaren and Renault.  Very mature units with lots of development behind them.  A little TLC and temperamental behaviour (the occasional non-finish) is fine.  :up:   :)

 

You could almost say it is a jewel!  :clap:



#5015 goldenboy

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 14:25

You could almost say it is a jewel! :clap:

I always considered ron a reasonably classy guy and his neat and tidy OCD resonates with me lol. But that one line made him look like a gross used car salesman and I'll never forget it!

#5016 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 04:41

Why doesn't Renault trial a more outwash-type front wing to see if it can improve their rear end instability problems? It doesn't have to be as aggressive as McLaren, just somewhere in-between Renault's current design and the extreme versions of McLaren, Ferrari, Toro Rosso and Alfa Romeo. 

 

The design of Renault's front wing is really rather strange IMO:

 

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Compare to Red Bull where the slot gaps are smaller, and the elements are packed more tightly --- surely the RBR design creates a more concentrated and stable Y250 vortex, just owing to how much more focused and deliberately the wing tips are orientated?  :confused:

 

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Edited by V8 Fireworks, 04 September 2019 - 04:51.


#5017 Amz964

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:04

Don't want to get hopes up too much but very encouraging FP3. The car just looks so much better in Low downforce trim then high downforce not sure why considering the cars weakness in prolonged cornering. Maybe they have found something more in the summer break and understand the car better but think more to do with track characteristics.

#5018 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:13

Car looks very competitive here. They must repeat this in qualy and in the race.

Field is very tight, superb laps are needed from the guys in qualy. Something similar to Canada qualy results would be awesome.

Edited by eREr, 07 September 2019 - 11:15.


#5019 krapmeister

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:16

*must... not... get... hopes...up....*



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#5020 ExEd

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:58

You could almost say it is a jewel!  :clap:

 

The most important is that ,good or bad, its not at down to the levels of GP2  :smoking:



#5021 Stonk

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:23

You could almost say it is a jewel!  :clap:

 

They were a Jewel today  :clap:



#5022 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:25

Quite good performance all day. Repeat this on raceday too.

#5023 Lerdes

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:30

Sorry to say. But I smell some dirty game here.

#5024 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:33

Sorry to say. But I smell some dirty game here.


Hm?

#5025 Lerdes

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:34

It seems to me that Hulkenberg had a mission. To keep the good positions of the Renault cars.

#5026 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:37

It seems to me that Hulkenberg had a mission. To keep the good positions of the Renault cars.


Ahh, I see. So that's why he left the track at T1 to hold up everybody... Please try again.

#5027 Ivanhoe

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:38

The Renault is just a low drag car because they lack downforce, hence it doesn’t perform on most other tracks.

#5028 Lerdes

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:39

Yes. He blocked his breakes at minimum speed. And he (and the team) knew everybody wanted a tow.

Edited by Lerdes, 07 September 2019 - 17:40.


#5029 w1Y

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:41

It seems to me that Hulkenberg had a mission. To keep the good positions of the Renault cars.


Yep this is what it feels like.

#5030 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:47

The Renault is just a low drag car because they lack downforce, hence it doesn’t perform on most other tracks.


Today was about performing. Please come back with these negative comments when they don't perform (you will have lots of occasions for this, be patient). But it's a fact that RS19 likes high speed, stop and go tracks.

#5031 rootten

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:48

The Renault is just a low drag car because they lack downforce, hence it doesn’t perform on most other tracks.

No



#5032 Ivanhoe

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:49

Today was about performing. Please come back with these negative comments when they don't perform (you will have lots of occasions for this, be patient). But it's a fact that RS19 likes high speed, stop and go tracks.


That’s basically what I said. They have a good car for a track like Monza and performed well. I don’t see it as a negative comment and you haven’t seen me here when they were not performing well, unlike some of your fellow Renault fans (not you) in the RBt thread when RBR is not performing well.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 07 September 2019 - 17:51.


#5033 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:50

Yes. He blocked his breakes at minimum speed. And he (and the team) knew everybody wanted a tow.


Again: as the very first car on the track he missed T1 to allow the others to overtake as he didn't want to be the 1st car. But NOBODY wanted to overtake him. He rejoined as the leading car. So yeah, he blocked everyone...

#5034 Lerdes

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:52

"... But NOBODY wanted to overtake him. He rejoined as the leading car. So yeah, he blocked everyone..."

That's exactly my point.

Edited by Lerdes, 07 September 2019 - 17:53.


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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:55

Thinking about it though if renault wanted to do this he wouldnt have skipper the chicane.He would have just blocked

#5036 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:57

That’s basically what I said. They have a good car for a track like Monza. I don’t see it as a negative comment and you haven’t seen me here when they were not performing well, unlike some of your fellow Renault fans (not you) in the RBt thread when RBR is not performing well.


You can tell the very same thing very differently. I got your point and I agree with that, but you wrote it negatively. That's why I responded.

This was the 2nd best Saturday for the team in this year (only Canada was better, Spa was the 3rd one), let's forget negativity at least until the lights go off tomorrow.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:58

You can tell the very same thing very differently. I got your point and I agree with that, but you wrote it negatively. That's why I responded.
This was the 2nd best Saturday for the team in this year (only Canada was better, Spa was the 3rd one), let's forget negativity at least until the lights go off tomorrow.

Ah well, that was not my intention, just wanted to say the characteristics of the track fit the Renault car/PU and vice versa.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 07 September 2019 - 18:55.


#5038 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:58

"... But NOBODY wanted to overtake him. He rejoined as the leading car. So yeah, he blocked everyone..."

That's exactly my point.


:D You didn't get my sarcasm...

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 18:05

Thinking about it though if renault wanted to do this he wouldnt have skipper the chicane.He would have just blocked


And what was in stake? P6/P7 or P5/P7 instead of P5/P6? Only Albon had a very small chance to grab P5 or P6, but Albon was slower in all parts of Q today than Dan and was quicker than Hulk in Q2.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 18:52

AMuS
4 minutes ago
Nico Hülkenberg can breathe easy. Right now the decision of the stewards is flapping on the table. Hülkenberg drove unnecessarily slow in Q3. But he comes away with a warning and keeps his 6th starting place. Hulkenberg admitted the accusation, but noted that he was not the only one who drove slowly to seek a slipstream. As the stewards pressed an eye, but recommended the FIA ​​to seek a solution to prevent such games in the future.

Presumably Sainz and Stroll won’t have a penalty either then.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 20:07

Looking forward to tomorrow the car has great pace round here and apart from the last run in Q3 although everyone had thier part in that the team executed the session really well.

Hoping for a dry race as think with our super low downforce the pace in the race should be really good and it will be very hard to overtake us as well. Fingers crossed for a cleaner race then spa.

1.2 second improvement from last year as well.

Edited by Amz964, 07 September 2019 - 20:11.


#5042 eREr

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 21:08

Let's see what Albon and Max can do tomorrow. P6 and P7 would be nice again tomorrow.

Chance of rain for the race? Hope it will be dry.

#5043 goldenboy

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 12:07

How was the race pace looking? Wasn't able to follow along this time. Probably not a whole lot of data available with all the rain interruptions I suppose.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 12:10

How was the race pace looking? Wasn't able to follow along this time. Probably not a whole lot of data available with all the rain interruptions I suppose.

They looked competitive, especially on the softs. Longrun times on the bottom of this link. A sneaky podium for Ricciardo would be great.

https://www.auto-mot...alyse-training/

Edited by Ivanhoe, 08 September 2019 - 12:11.


#5045 goldenboy

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:06

They looked competitive, especially on the softs. Longrun times on the bottom of this link. A sneaky podium for Ricciardo would be great.

https://www.auto-mot...alyse-training/

Cheers, prwtty good for a decent 20 lap stint actually.

#5046 eREr

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:32

;) well done both guys!

#5047 Stonk

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:34

Yeah the boys!



#5048 Laster

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:35

Well done all round by everyone at Renault today. Deserved that result. Dan was the faster driver I believe by about two tenths, but he also got a bit of help with pitting under VSC. He was strong all weekend. Hulk did well holding off Albon at the end, keeping him just out of DRS range. And the Renault was just plain fast here.

Battle for 4th in the constructors is back on, but Renault need to perform at other tracks too. This race was a lot like Canada. They’re quick with slow corners and long straights but come undone anywhere with long corners.

Hope everyone on here takes the time to simply enjoy the result.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:38

Great result for the team - good bag of points over Mclaren as well  :up:



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:40

Well done renault and the boys.. 👍👍