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#5151 Lemojn

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 07:58

"Renault F1's managing director Cyril Abiteboul said what the team learned about the car in the first half of the year prompted it to decide it needed to improve its Enstone windtunnel, which meant putting it out of action for nearly one month."

 

"The front wings are super-sensitive, the way that they are hitting the bodywork, hitting the floor, leading edge and so on, they are super-sensitive and we have understood a lot in the windtunnel. This meant the windtunnel was shut down for more than just the [summer] shutdown. That impact on development and the fact that we were working on multiple projects meant that we were delayed, but that was investment. If we want to be at the level we want to be ultimately, we had to do these things. So it is an encouraging sign of things to come."

 

"It was planned, and was the sort of thing that goes back to the previous ownership because very little investment was done and it is something that we were pushing back, pushing back, pushing back, but at some point we had to do it. With 2021 coming very near, we needed to be ready with everything, even if it meant sacrificing some of this year's development."

 

 

https://www.autospor...tunnel-shutdown



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#5152 Amz964

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:46

"Renault F1's managing director Cyril Abiteboul said what the team learned about the car in the first half of the year prompted it to decide it needed to improve its Enstone windtunnel, which meant putting it out of action for nearly one month."

"The front wings are super-sensitive, the way that they are hitting the bodywork, hitting the floor, leading edge and so on, they are super-sensitive and we have understood a lot in the windtunnel. This meant the windtunnel was shut down for more than just the [summer] shutdown. That impact on development and the fact that we were working on multiple projects meant that we were delayed, but that was investment. If we want to be at the level we want to be ultimately, we had to do these things. So it is an encouraging sign of things to come."

"It was planned, and was the sort of thing that goes back to the previous ownership because very little investment was done and it is something that we were pushing back, pushing back, pushing back, but at some point we had to do it. With 2021 coming very near, we needed to be ready with everything, even if it meant sacrificing some of this year's development."


https://www.autospor...tunnel-shutdown

Just sounds like another Cyril excuse to be honest to say why we have been less than average this year. Every year there is always something to say why they have not been competitive and it seems they never learn from it. Just got to hope he is right this time.

Edited by Amz964, 17 October 2019 - 12:47.


#5153 Amz964

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:06

Both Hulk and Ric disqualified from Japan. What a joke though the FIA says in the article in the technical perspective it's a legal device but the use of it is not! How can they disqualify them for that! I would understand if they told them to reprogram it but to disqualify them makes no sense

#5154 Laster

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:17

Yeah I could do with an expert on that to break it down into layman terms. It’s very strange the software is legal but the use of it not.

#5155 Quickshifter

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:21

The system apparently is legal one but it still constitutes as a driver aid and contravenes the regulation which says the driver must drive the car unaided and alone.



#5156 eREr

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:27

The system apparently is legal one but it still constitutes as a driver aid and contravenes the regulation which says the driver must drive the car unaided and alone.


How can be a system legal if it is a driver aid?

#5157 Flasheart

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:30

This is (almost) a repeat of the mass damper fiasco.

#5158 Quickshifter

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:32

How can be a system legal if it is a driver aid?

That it is not distance dependent(which is illegal) but through some other confidential method. Irrespective of how the system functions brake bias has to be adjusted only by the driver and not through any system

#5159 Mc_Silver

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:32

How can be a system legal if it is a driver aid?


Drivers are not allowed to make any intervention to the system?

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#5160 eREr

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:38

That it is not distance dependent(which is illegal) but through some other confidential method. Irrespective of how the system functions brake bias has to be adjusted only by the driver and not through any system


You didn't answer my question. I don't care how it works. My point is if this system is a driver aid, then it must be completely illegal. But it is a legal system according to FIA...

#5161 MrRat

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:44

You didn't answer my question. I don't care how it works. My point is if this system is a driver aid, then it must be completely illegal. But it is a legal system according to FIA...


Legal under technical regulations. Drivers aid is illegal under sporting regulations and so it’s gone and Renault have been DSQ.

#5162 Massa

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:49

The system apparently is legal one but it still constitutes as a driver aid and contravenes the regulation which says the driver must drive the car unaided and alone.


I really can't understand

So power steering is a driver aid too so a team can complain that X team use it??

#5163 Ivanhoe

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 07:47

I really can't understand
So power steering is a driver aid too so a team can complain that X team use it??

No, since power steering is explicitly allowed under the technical regulations.

#5164 statman

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 09:12

Just sounds like another Cyril excuse to be honest to say why we have been less than average this year. Every year there is always something to say why they have not been competitive and it seems they never learn from it. Just got to hope he is right this time.

 

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#5165 Alburaq

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 09:16

Renault did the same mistake as Mclaren in 2018,which is problematic for 2020 and even 2021 because they did it a year too late.
Mclaren knew in 2017 that they'll have a much better PU and they thought that their 2017 chassis was (very) good, so they've decided to keep the "same" chassis/the same concept and expected a nice leap forward... But they were wrong because the chassis wasnt that good, the concept was even wrong and the car reached its limits very quicly.
Renault did exactly the same in 2019 (and their aero developpement rate was even slower) and experienced a similar outcome (Renault managed to limit the damage IMO) 
Mclaren could react in time and they've completely revised their concept in 2019 and they can develop it easy in 2020 thanks to the stable rules. But Renault has to do that in 2020 if they want to remain competitive... while working on the 2021 car at the same time.


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Posted 10 November 2019 - 00:21

Obviously at the end of the day its hypothetical but I tend to agree with Prost here. Would have been pretty close between McLaren and Renault in the points if not for Renault shooting themselves in the foot far too often this season, more than McLaren ever did. If anyone would know its the Professor, he obviously has access to all the data.

 

"Prost claims Renault could've beaten McLaren in 2019 "without the incidents"

 

https://www.gpblog.c...incidents-.html


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#5167 Clatter

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 14:10

Obviously at the end of the day its hypothetical but I tend to agree with Prost here. Would have been pretty close between McLaren and Renault in the points if not for Renault shooting themselves in the foot far too often this season, more than McLaren ever did. If anyone would know its the Professor, he obviously has access to all the data.

 

"Prost claims Renault could've beaten McLaren in 2019 "without the incidents"

 

https://www.gpblog.c...incidents-.html

 


Is he taking into account the points lost by Mclaren for their unfortunate incidents? At the end of the day points are not awarded for what might have been.

#5168 GreenMachine

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 20:29

Oh, we are playing the 'if only' game again?!  Well, that is a lot easier than putting the work into the car and team and actually scoring the results, something that Renault has been unable/unwilling to do so far.

 

Problem is, nobody other than the w*nkers playing that game are fooled, and there is no payoff such as FOM money and WCC points. 

 

Tomorrow, toujours tomorrow ...



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Posted 11 November 2019 - 02:20

No, since power steering is explicitly allowed under the technical regulations.

 

But so is the Renault braking system, mate - its legal in the tech regs. Do the logic.

 

The power steering on F1 cars is totally driver adjustable (and no doubt then applies some form of linear or non-linear modification for speed) hence a driver aid applying the principle applied to Renault's brake bias system; so Massa's point is valid. Its just the FIA have decided to make a completely illogical and legally nonsensical ruling which, no doubt for political reasons, Renault have decided not to challenge. They (FIA) may have a few people in there who might understand a bit about mechanical and software engineering, but it appears none have done first year undergrad philosophy of logic. Which pretty much underpins application of law. They just end-up looking like twits with this stuff!



#5170 Reddington

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Posted 11 November 2019 - 05:16

Is he taking into account the points lost by Mclaren for their unfortunate incidents? At the end of the day points are not awarded for what might have been.

 

Right. McLaren lost a lot of points too. Especially Lando had his misfortunes in good positions. Shall we account for these as well?

These "what if" scenarios....

Why? To make Renault feel better about themselves?

I truly don't get it.

 

They're 5th and judging by their performances, that's where they should be.



#5171 Amz964

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 08:56

To be honest even as a massive fan of the team I can't deny that McLaren deserve the P4 in the championship as they definitely do. Yes we have made some massive fundamental errors and had bad luck but McLaren haven't had a clean season either. Think the WCC is a fair comparison of each team's performance.

Edited by Amz964, 13 November 2019 - 13:50.


#5172 ATM

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 11:15

Prost knows the game all too well so he cannot think he can fool anybody who actually follows the sport. As such, I don’t think the statement is issued towards F1 fans but rather aimed at Renault top management - which might not be die-hard specialists but they surely ask for targets to be kept in their bianual board meetings.