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#3051 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 06:51

Another mechanical DNF. Doesn’t seem like Renault have the race pace here anyway, but that lack of reliability has got to be a massive worry.


Edited by FullOppositeLock, 14 April 2019 - 21:57.


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#3052 Flasheart

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 06:54

I’m worried about Dan on these hard tyres. He hasn’t run them yet as he only brought one set. Pérez is a bit quicker at the moment.

#3053 Flasheart

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:41

Aaand.....lapped.... :/

#3054 Requiem84

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:48

I thought the concensus was that Renault should be stronger racepace wise? Instead they seem to fall back into the Racepoint / Alfa group with racepace...

 

I hope that the investments into the factory will at least enable Renault to outdevelop the midfield. The racepace gap to the front hasn't changed at all compared to last year I feel.



#3055 Laster

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:50

Good result for Dan, kept Perez at arms length throughout. But a frustrating day for Hulk, at some point he’s going to have a weekend without any reliability issues plaguing his car.

#3056 goldenboy

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:52

I just don't see them making the jump with the way they are currently managed. No chance. Not even in 3 years.

#3057 Casey

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:54

I'm sure just edging out the midfield driving a lap down is not where they want to be at all this year.

Reliablility is also still a huge concern .



#3058 A3

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:54

But Gasly will have the same issue. At least one Renault shall finish ahead of him, that would be the maximum for tomorrow if reliability/accidents will not affect the top 5 and Hulk+Dan.


So even Gasly had enough margin to do an extra pit stop. Welcome back to earth. ;)

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#3059 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:55

I just don't see them making the jump with the way they are currently managed. No chance. Not even in 3 years.


That’s the thing. They are top of the midfield just about, but not making inroads in the top three and I can’t see it happening anytime soon. Anyway, before they think about closing the gap they need to sort out their reliability issues. If it’s another MGU-K issue pressure on Cyril will surely start to build up.

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#3060 statman

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:57

* retirement

* lapped

* massively down on power

 

Cyril is already preparing some new promises!



#3061 Requiem84

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:58

Reports on Hulks retirement??

#3062 Paco

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:01

So even Gasly had enough margin to do an extra pit stop. Welcome back to earth.  ;)

 

Besides Ferrari Charles debacle, that's what was to me the biggest result.. the gap between RB Slow Poke Gasly and Renault.. just huge.



#3063 Amz964

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:03

Good that Ric managed to get some points today. However as others have said the race pace wasn't there today, I am hoping Ric was just managing pace because of Hulk's issue. The car just seems to lack downforce in high speed still as the drivers have reported and China rewards a car that has good downforce.

On the positive they are now 4th in the constructors and I think Azerbaijan will be better for the car

#3064 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:10

Baku should be very good for you. I remember Sainz overtaking Red Bulls there last year, so something to look forward to at least. Hopefully Nico will manage to keep the car out of the barriers this time.

#3065 Laster

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:21

Baku is a bit of a bogey circuit for Hulk, yet to have a good weekend there. The slow speed corners are where Renault is strong, so both there and Monaco will be interesting to watch.

Sauber seem to have good pace after the mid point of a race, and Haas look like they have a car only good for a single lap. As far as the midfield goes I do think Renault are top but with a unreliable car. Like others though I’m disappointed by the gap to those ahead. It does not feel like much if any progress has been made on that front.

#3066 Anja

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:32

Nice to get best of the rest I guess but in the grand scheme of things the disappointment is really starting to set in, there's just not enough progress. 4th in the WCC looks good but we shouldn't hope for anything more before 2021.



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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:06

Remarkable how Renault is 4th in the WCC despite having 4/6 car failures, and thus only scoring 2 car finishes after 3 races.



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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:09

Whoever is responsible for coining the phrase “party mode”, deserves to be stabbed in the eye with a broken pencil.

 

Not sure how well Lewis will be able to drive then if you poke his eye out!



#3069 speedx

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:15

It is what it is. Best of the rest, but miles away from the top 3.

No improvement compared to last year.

I am sure Stoll has something to think about.

#3070 Anja

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:22

Remarkable how Renault is 4th in the WCC despite having 4/6 car failures, and thus only scoring 2 car finishes after 3 races.

 

The main rivals haven't had the most consistent run as well. Haas and McLaren have just one points finish each, only Kimi is scoring every race but in slightly lower places.


Edited by Anja, 14 April 2019 - 09:24.


#3071 Ivanhoe

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:50

Reports on Hulks retirement??


Nico said on Ziggo post race interview it looked like it is the MGU-K again.

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:56

Nico said on Ziggo post race interview it looked like it is the MGU-K again.


What, the new one with improved reliability that was fitted this weekend?

#3073 statman

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:07



What, the new one with improved reliability that was fitted this weekend?

 

Renault switches all its cars to new MGU-K

 

:D



#3074 GoldenEra

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:15


Renault switches all its cars to new MGU-K

:D


Utterly shambolic. Renault are lucky that Haas are how Mercedes were in 2013. Fast in qualifying, tyre issues on race day.

#3075 CharlesWinstone

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:15

What, the new one with improved reliability that was fitted this weekend?

Strange. For a moment i thought you sound surprised.

#3076 GoldenEra

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:18

Strange. For a moment i thought you sound surprised.


Haha. I just smile and laugh at this point.

#3077 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:35

Nico said on Ziggo post race interview it looked like it is the MGU-K again.


Didn’t Cyril say a few weeks ago these problems were “unacceptable”? Maybe it’s time his bosses show him what this entails.

Edited by FullOppositeLock, 14 April 2019 - 12:02.


#3078 SRK

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:41

After three races we can make a small evaluation of the car at the beginning of the season - calm and objective.

So, let's start the analysis;

 

R.S.19 is slow as **** and can't finish half the races.

 

Did I forget something? 

This is the result of three years development by designer with masterful ambitions. R.S17B, C, D with more and more extreme version of the rake- it's like making a running boot out of a wellingtons. That's all Machin, Chester, Budkowski and co can do? Catching a Mercedes by a factory with such a mentality is as likely as living on the surface of the sun.



#3079 A3

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:43

Nico said on Ziggo post race interview it looked like it is the MGU-K again.


Yeah says the same to Will Buxton here too: https://www.formula1...retirement.html

If I'm not mistaken Renault said the MGU-K is produced by a 3rd party? Does anyone know how Mercedes, Ferrari and Honda do this?

Edited by A3, 14 April 2019 - 10:43.


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#3080 statman

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:43

* retirement

* lapped

* massively down on power

 

Cyril is already preparing some new promises!

 

Cyril to Autohebdo after the race:

 

Abiteboul pushes to "do better on all aspects"

 It's always the same. When we are back to the wall, we must react quickly, if possible well and precisely.......It's good for the team (Ricciardo) but it's a frustrating race. It allows us to forget Bahrain and start like in Melbourne. Now, we must do better, on all aspects,  " says the French boss. 

 

And to remember the ambitions of Renault for 2019. "It's about 1" (the pace of Mercedes) , which is a little better than last year at the same race.It is a little above of our goals, we set a delay of +0 "7 (per lap). We are a little slower than we would have liked. You have to work, do not complain.

 

:stoned:  :drunk:



#3081 CharlesWinstone

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:11

Didn’t Cyril say a few weeks ago these problems were unacceptable”? Maybe it’s time his bosses show him what this entails.


For such a big and well funded manufacturer it is a Williamsque performance.

Edited by CharlesWinstone, 14 April 2019 - 11:48.


#3082 Neno

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:27

What a garbage car. I'll post this every Grand Prix weekend. So all "optimist" of this board become f realists. 

 

 

#MakeRenaultGreatAgain
#FireChester

#WaitingForRS20


Edited by Neno, 14 April 2019 - 11:27.


#3083 eREr

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:32

It was a very bad race, no reliabilty, no pace. It seems the race sims in FP2 were fake ones. I thougt they would be much closer to top teams in race trim, but they were far-far away, even from Gasly. At least Dan collected some points and was best of the rest even with this unacceptable pace. Maybe this is the only positive thing from this weekend.

What was the cause of Hulk's DNF? Sw issue related to the MGU-K or first they thought it was a sw issue, then it turned out it was again the K?

Edited by eREr, 14 April 2019 - 11:35.


#3084 eREr

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:34

Cyril to Autohebdo after the race:
Abiteboul pushes to "do better on all aspects"
It's always the same. When we are back to the wall, we must react quickly, if possible well and precisely.......It's good for the team (Ricciardo) but it's a frustrating race. It allows us to forget Bahrain and start like in Melbourne. Now, we must do better, on all aspects, " says the French boss.

And to remember the ambitions of Renault for 2019. "It's about 1" (the pace of Mercedes) , which is a little better than last year at the same race.It is a little above of our goals, we set a delay of +0 "7 (per lap). We are a little slower than we would have liked. You have to work, do not complain.

:stoned: :drunk:

Poor Cyril.. How did he calculated this 1s to Merc? It was more than 1.5s per lap (~100s during 56 laps, which is 1.8s/lap). If the target was 0.7s, then this is a massive failure.

Edited by eREr, 14 April 2019 - 11:36.


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Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:41

Disaster, simply. I’m at loss for words

#3086 TheGoldenStoffel

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:48

What a garbage car. I'll post this every Grand Prix weekend. So all "optimist" of this board become f realists. 

 

 

#MakeRenaultGreatAgain
#FireChester

#WaitingForRS20

 

I don't think firing just one person will make them great again though, there's a lot more firing and hiring needed for that.



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Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:57

I don't think firing just one person will make them great again though, there's a lot more firing and hiring needed for that.

He is person who signed on papers that this design and car development is good. I saw nothing over 5 years he is Enstone he is good chassis technical director. He doesnt even had "pressure" on him to make top car. By Cyril words target was 0.7 sec from fastest car. And he can't even do that lolololol I am here looking like immature brat, but I am actually venting and going insane in my head from frustration on incompetence what is tolerated. 


Edited by Neno, 14 April 2019 - 12:01.


#3088 BCM

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:01

You're right GoldenStoffel. There need to be wholesale changes at Renault. Both with the management, the technical team and with buy in from Renault as a company. They are poorly lead by a guy who's deluding in thinking that the budget cap is going to save them, a technical team that seem unable to close the gap to the top 3 and a board who don't seem to realise that $$ = competitiveness in F1.


Edited by BCM, 14 April 2019 - 12:01.


#3089 A3

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:06

He is person who signed on papers that this design and car development is good. I saw nothing over 5 years he is Enstone he is good chassis technical director. He doesnt even had "pressure" on him to make top car. By Cyril words target was 0.7 sec from fastest car. And he can't even do that lolololol I am here looking like immature brat, but I am actually venting and going insane in my head from frustration on incompetence what is tolerated.


You can't expect anyone to work wonders if Renault doesn't want to spend big bucks to catch up.

#3090 ARTGP

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:12

He is person who signed on papers that this design and car development is good. I saw nothing over 5 years he is Enstone he is good chassis technical director. He doesnt even had "pressure" on him to make top car. By Cyril words target was 0.7 sec from fastest car. And he can't even do that lolololol I am here looking like immature brat, but I am actually venting and going insane in my head from frustration on incompetence what is tolerated. 

 

It's just entertainment man....



#3091 Amz964

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:15

I agree with Neno that more so now if it wasn't already that Nick Chester needs to be seriously looked at and there has to be serious questions regarding his authority of the technical side of the car as the gap is no smaller to the top teams even though they switched to this year's car early. They need to sort out this high speed instability which has blighted this and the RS18. Once they can get on too of this they will be in a much better position pace wise as in the slow speeds they are pretty good.

However reliability has been shocking so far and to be honest we are lucky Haas and McLaren are having so many issues.Even Racing Point were on the same pace as us!

Edited by Amz964, 14 April 2019 - 12:21.


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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:21

Lol. Racing point being on the same pace as us was comical. I understand that Dan was saving his tires, but still you wish our slow laps were comfortably clear of a Racing point. Also, if what Hulk says is true, that MGU-K went pop.... :rotfl: I don't know what I was thinking staying up so late. The best we could hope for was 7th and it was a pretty pathetic 7th at that.

 

To be leading the midfield in the constructor championship right now with Alfa, is also comical. 


Edited by ARTGP, 14 April 2019 - 12:24.


#3093 BCM

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:25

Have a listen to the latest Missed Apex podcast. The ex-TP of Lotus during the Allison years said that they lost all their top dogs including Allison after breaching their contracts due to missing 1 or 2 months of paying them. That allowed them all to make moves to other teams without the usual gardening leave. Nick Chester was one who stayed on - that probably says everything you need to know.



#3094 Paco

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:59

For such a big and well funded manufacturer it is a Williamsque performance.

 

Oh come on. Williams would give anything to be in a Renault position.  Up the grid, solidly into Q3 and in charge of their own destiny with their own PU.  Williams can't even build a current F1 suspension, depend on someone else for their PU..

 

Renault is miles and miles ahead of Williams not just on track but pretty much everything.  Sure they can't find a way to close the gap, but at the very least, they are maintaining it and not falling back speed wise.  Reliability.. it's hard to get that balance of speed vs reliability and yes its embarrasing but they haven't fallen back so that at least is strong milestone.



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Posted 14 April 2019 - 13:05

If they really want to achieve anything in 2021, then they must act now. Not in 2020, not at the end of 19. Now.

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 13:06

So they swapped all MGU-K's to have it fail again? It is a part you can only use 2/season without penalty, so in race 4, they will have the first grid penalty... Is that a record?

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 13:07

Not sure what they can act on right now for 2021 when no regulations are set in stone. Though I do agree the moment they know what 2021 will bring they should focus solely on that.

#3098 Laster

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 13:09

So they swapped all MGU-K's to have it fail again? It is a part you can only use 2/season without penalty, so in race 4, they will have the first grid penalty... Is that a record?

Turns out it was a software glitch brought about by having to push so many of these forward. The MGU-K in Hulk’s car isn’t damaged and will be used in Baku, but with some updated software - not that it makes up for another retirement.

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 14:04

Turns out it was a software glitch brought about by having to push so many of these forward. The MGU-K in Hulk’s car isn’t damaged and will be used in Baku, but with some updated software - not that it makes up for another retirement.


Luckily no hw issue, so no penalty in Baku.

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 14:06

 

 

#MakeRenaultGreatAgain
#FireChester

#WaitingForRS20

 

I like your priorities. 

 

The clunky corporate management triumvirate is clearly out of place in modern F1. We need to get in a one man mover and shaker, like Fred Vasseur.

 

The drivers are a bit pussy too. We need much more, aggressive types, like Kevin Magnusson.

 

Nick Chester should go of course. Why is a company like Renault afraid to spend the big bucks and grab someone high profile from the big team? Paddy Lowe could start tomorrow.