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[Viryfan]

If the entry is right - it will be accepted

If the entity brings the right bottle of booze to the party then they will be accepted.

[pdac]

The invitation should be open at all times.

 

As far as I aware, though, it is not.

[PayasYouRace]

As far as I aware, though, it is not.

A big source of problems, IMHO.

[absinthedude]

Given the headache that F1 has had over the last round of expression of interest, I feel that they would think hard before inviting more to apply. Once bitten, twice shy, as they say.

 

headaches that FOM and Liberty created themselves entirely from nothing and without any need. 

[absinthedude]

If the entry is right - it will be accepted

 

It bloody well should be.

 

But then Andretti should have been.

 

Hitech is less clear because the FIA's examination of their finances seemed to confirm that the team was lacking a transparent source of sufficient funding. 

[FullThrottleF1]

In any case. We have nothing now, and may not for some time. No one (not surprisingly considering the fallout from the rejection earlier this year) has expressed wanting to join the grid, nor has the FIA put out a tender. So it is all speculation until then. Hitech is the one to watch for now. But, tbh, I expect the next "new team" announcement will probably come from someone we aren't actively watching.

[pdac]

A big source of problems, IMHO.

 

Not disagreeing, but that's the way it is.

[pdac]

headaches that FOM and Liberty created themselves entirely from nothing and without any need. 

 

Clear there was a need, otherwise they would not have done it.

[pdac]

It bloody well should be.

 

But then Andretti should have been.

 

Hitech is less clear because the FIA's examination of their finances seemed to confirm that the team was lacking a transparent source of sufficient funding. 

 

GM getting in has everything to do with money and the power of money. The likes of Hitech (or the original Andretti submission) are still never going to get in.

[FullThrottleF1]

GM getting in has everything to do with money and the power of money. The likes of Hitech (or the original Andretti submission) are still never going to get in.

Could you stop being such a negative Nancy? It's starting to grate now 

[pdac]

Could you stop being such a negative Nancy? It's starting to grate now 

 

Nope. To much fantasy being spouted everywhere. People get scammed all of the time because they insist on believing that they can get everything they want.

[FullThrottleF1]

Goodness me

[kumo7]

God isn’t here.

I think F1 now does not look to welcome new team at all. GM only came in because DoJ pushed the director out. Is there any other government who does not hesitate to make its country fellow racing in the F1 grid? From Germany All but Mercedes is active now, One from Belgium, one from Japan, Two from GB already are on the grid. I can hardly think Liberty will take Chinese Communist Party serious neither vis-a-vis. No Korean government… Perhaps Africans, but they have no car makers there.

Edited by kumo7, 29 November 2024 - 10:57.

[Stephane]

As far as I aware, though, it is not.

 

 

As i understood last time, the invitation is open when someone comes knocking with enough money to show.

[sterlingfan2000]

It depends if FIA reopens Entry again. They easily could go to EU court and destroy current Teams again in court.

But I don't think FIA wants to reopen another Entry anytime soon because to just please the Teams.

[pdac]

As i understood last time, the invitation is open when someone comes knocking with enough money to show.

 

More than just money. They need to show (well, be perceived) that their presence will grow the value of F1. That's not the likes of a billionaire who can put together some infrastructure (Elon musk, no; Tesla or Spacex, maybe)

Edited by pdac, 29 November 2024 - 16:44.

[FullThrottleF1]

Let's see

[Stephane]

More than just money. They need to show (well, be perceived) that their presence will grow the value of F1. That's not the likes of a billionaire who can put together some infrastructure (Elon musk, no; Tesla or Spacex, maybe)

Yeah, but my point was that the invitation comes after the knocking on the door

[FullThrottleF1]

Yeah, but my point was that the invitation comes after the knocking on the door

I think any new entrants will follow the Andretti model.

1. Make big waves by announcing your intentions to enter

2. Impress the FIA enough for them to open the tender

3. Show enough commercial prospects for Liberty to agree to negotiate a deal

[pdac]

I don't think the Andreti approach will work anymore. Everyone in F1 is now wise to it. The GM entry came because there was acceptance from the FIA but rejection from FOM. That will never be allowed to happen again. The FIA will reject any such entries from now on -well, they won't even accept then in the first instance.

[FullThrottleF1]

I don't think the Andreti approach will work anymore. Everyone in F1 is now wise to it. The GM entry came because there was acceptance from the FIA but rejection from FOM. That will never be allowed to happen again. The FIA will reject any such entries from now on -well, they won't even accept then in the first instance.

Goodness me. I thought I was a glass half full kinda person. Is your sole presence on this forum, even in the event of what is a great victory for fans of the sport, to offer only the most negative, untrue opinions on this forum?

[Nathan]

Ya, I wouldn't look at everything Andretti did and say 'that's the way'.  If GM wasn't in it, it would have been nothing.

 

If you want an F1 team make a friend that speaks fluent Korean and is familiar in their business practices.

[pdac]

Goodness me. I thought I was a glass half full kinda person. Is your sole presence on this forum, even in the event of what is a great victory for fans of the sport, to offer only the most negative, untrue opinions on this forum?

 

Oh, come on. Do you really think that doing what Andretti did would get another team onto the grid? Do you not see the turmoil it's caused to both the FIA and FOM. They are, without a doubt, going to learn from that experience. I'd rather be a glass half full person than someone continually wearing rose-tinted glasses. 

[FullThrottleF1]

Ya, I wouldn't look at everything Andretti did and say 'that's the way'. If GM wasn't in it, it would have been nothing.

If you want an F1 team make a friend that speaks fluent Korean and is familiar in their business practices.

And yet the last two new teams have been American...

[FullThrottleF1]

Oh, come on. Do you really think that doing what Andretti did would get another team onto the grid? Do you not see the turmoil it's caused to both the FIA and FOM. They are, without a doubt, going to learn from that experience. I'd rather be a glass half full person than someone continually wearing rose-tinted glasses.

Money talks. Enough now.

[Nathan]

And yet the last two new teams have been American...

 

Oh, I thought we were talking about the next one.

[FullThrottleF1]

Oh, I thought we were talking about the next one.

It's ok to admit you'll be wrong again 

[kumo7]

Oh, I thought we were talking about the next one.

 

I still love the SUPER AGURI and the way it went racing. This kind of minor team is tasty and can attract big attention, talks, and stories, which can result in exposure. 

[absinthedude]

Clear there was a need, otherwise they would not have done it.

 

 

The "need" was greed. Pure and simple. Unadulterated greed. 

 

In reality FOM/Liberty have created these problems themselves. And there really was no need. May they reap what they sow.

 

Nope. To much fantasy being spouted everywhere. People get scammed all of the time because they insist on believing that they can get everything they want.

 

What the phrack has this to do with being scammed?

 

It's about a potential team which demonstrated that it could meet all the entry requirements, field two cars which complied with all the rules and run a team.....being denied be dodgy behind the scenes bullcrap because the teams want their pie.

[FullThrottleF1]

 

What the phrack has this to do with being scammed?

 

It's about a potential team which demonstrated that it could meet all the entry requirements, field two cars which complied with all the rules and run a team.....being denied be dodgy behind the scenes bullcrap because the teams want their pie.

I honestly think he is just rage bating at this point

[pdac]

The "need" was greed. Pure and simple. Unadulterated greed. 

 

In reality FOM/Liberty have created these problems themselves. And there really was no need. May they reap what they sow.

 

 

What the phrack has this to do with being scammed?

 

It's about a potential team which demonstrated that it could meet all the entry requirements, field two cars which complied with all the rules and run a team.....being denied be dodgy behind the scenes bullcrap because the teams want their pie.

 

 

I honestly think he is just rage bating at this point

 

You two clearly cannot see what is happening - or rather you see it but wish for a fairy godmother to wave her wand and make it go away. Yes, it's about greed, if you like to put it that way (personally, I see it as normal business - but, I agree that most business is about greed). But it is firmly established and that is the way it is going to be for the foreseeable future. To think that things will change (for the better) is burying your heads in the sand or living in cloud-cuckoo land. Whilst I like debate and am very interested in different opinions, I do tend to draw the line at total fantasy and truth denial.

Edited by pdac, 01 December 2024 - 21:40.

[Nathan]

I still love the SUPER AGURI and the way it went racing. This kind of minor team is tasty and can attract big attention, talks, and stories, which can result in exposure. 

 

They didn't even make it one-quarter of the way through their third season. 

[FirstnameLastname]

I still love the SUPER AGURI and the way it went racing. This kind of minor team is tasty and can attract big attention, talks, and stories, which can result in exposure.

It’s a real shame Manor fell just before the budget cap came in.

[Nathan]

If you look at their budgets via Companies House as a whole I don't think that would have mattered.  You can't still compete spending half of everyone else.

Edited by Nathan, 01 December 2024 - 22:16.

[kumo7]

They didn't even make it one-quarter of the way through their third season.

two seasons it did!
and the team was TWR;
then it was bought by Formtech who registered Brabham and blamed by the family;
and Aguri wanted to carry on;
Sato was there;

Super Aguri offered fans lots to talk about, some silly and lite. this liteness is not on the grid now. All too seriously cutting the throats of each othere, acting like as if they are on the battle field, i feel much too less love and passion for the speed and for the racing. Toto IMHO is the most too serious figure. He used to be a bit wittier.

Edited by kumo7, 02 December 2024 - 01:42.

[eibyyz]

But it is firmly established and that is the way it is going to be for the foreseeable future. 

 

Is it?

 

There's a new Concorde coming up.  It seems that it's a given that the buy-in will be 1B--what's to keep FIA/FOM from going full draconian?  Say, any entity that wants to buy an existing team will have to bring their own motor?  It's clear that MBS will rubber-stamp any thing FOM wants, and the EU could not care less.

[absinthedude]

I honestly think he is just rage bating at this point

 

Yeah I think that this is entering "don't feed the troll" territory.

Either that or it's "any resemblance between your reality and mine is entirely coincidental" territory. 

[FullThrottleF1]

https://www.reuters....ent-2024-12-03/


The one thing I agree with MBS on. Hopefully next season we shall have another tender. I seem to recall he made similar comments in the past before opening the 2023 tender.

[Myrvold]

https://www.reuters....ent-2024-12-03/


The one thing I agree with MBS on. Hopefully next season we shall have another tender. I seem to recall he made similar comments in the past before opening the 2023 tender.

"I have nothing to hide. I'm an elected president, you know ... based on governance and democracy and transparency. So we did what the FIA did. And I am proud of what the team did," he said."

That looked random.

[pdac]

https://www.reuters....ent-2024-12-03/


The one thing I agree with MBS on. Hopefully next season we shall have another tender. I seem to recall he made similar comments in the past before opening the 2023 tender.

 

Read-on. He also says "we need an OEM (manufacturer), not just an extra team" so unless another manufacturer comes along, don't hold your hopes up.

[FullThrottleF1]

Rage bait

[noikeee]

MBS is really clinging hard into this Cadillacdreti entry as his gift to F1, to try to hide his attempts to turn the FIA into a dictatorship, isn't he

[Nathan]

Read-on. He also says "we need an OEM (manufacturer), not just an extra team" so unless another manufacturer comes along, don't hold your hopes up.

 

If you want an F1 team better find a nice hotel in Seoul to make your home away from home.

[Nemo1965]

Goodness me. I thought I was a glass half full kinda person. Is your sole presence on this forum, even in the event of what is a great victory for fans of the sport, to offer only the most negative, untrue opinions on this forum?

I agree. An empty glass is full of possibilities.

[pdac]

I agree. An empty glass is full of possibilities.

 

Ah, but if it's an empty glass in a brewery, you can dream of it being filled with champagne, but the likelihood is that it will get filled with beer (which, by the way, would not be a bad thing at all - just not what you might have dreamed of).

[FullThrottleF1]

Ah, but if it's an empty glass in a brewery, you can dream of it being filled with champagne, but the likelihood is that it will get filled with beer (which, by the way, would not be a bad thing at all - just not what you might have dreamed of).

What on Earth are you talking about?? I think you are getting caught up in your own rhetoric