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#101 A3

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 09:59

Like McLaren did claiming they had top3 chassis?


That was just trying to save face. They were just as bad with a Renault in the back which is just more proof that the Red Bull chassis was really really good and the Renault engine was pretty bad.

Edited by A3, 31 January 2019 - 13:51.


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#102 statman

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 10:04

Translation from f1technical.net thanks to ispano6:

1. The 2019 PU is an evolution of the PU introduced in the last race of the season, with significant increase in potential. (Not sure why there is emphasis that its an evolution of the engine introduced in the last race of the season, I don't recall them taking penalties, but Gasly did have a "car problem", a little more on that later)
2. Honda never ever claimed that they have surpassed Renault, and that it's not helpful that the press are quoting Marko as saying Honda is already ahead. In fact, many false Honda promises/claims are made in the press, and altogether it's annoying to Honda.
3. (No surprises here) but Red Bull is a true top team that understands all factors at play, where as teams like Toro Rosso and McLaren are left scratching their heads when a good result happens. Emphasis is on MB and RB, which are the only two teams that understand all factors at play. Even Ferrari is lacking in this regard. Honda is looking to RB to gain understanding in these areas, or at least, understand what sets these two teams apart from the rest.
4. The PU failure in the last race was particularly regretful (but more or less necessary to understand on track behavior)
5. Toto Wolff apparently came up to him and said he expects Red Bull Honda to be winning races next year
6. That MB is reaching near the limit of the current formula and are trying things by trial and error (which is the spirit of racing).
7. Honda Sakura is not necessarily doubling man power to support both teams, and will work with making engine construction and teardown simpler and efficient for both Red Bull teams
8. Honda is concentrating on ensuring that all power units are assembled the same way by equally skilled staff so that each unit is identical in spec and performance
9. Honda's development for winter testing is on schedule.
10. The RB15 car development is said to be going particularly well from what he hears.

 

:lol: Great relationship already


Edited by statman, 31 January 2019 - 10:04.


#103 Requiem84

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 10:24

Like McLaren did claiming they had top3 chassis?


Mclaren got a lot wrong. Same as you did when you claimed TR only had 1 Q3 appearance just a page before. Funny that you didn’t even respond when your big mistake was pointed out.

RB don’t have a record of getting things wrong. Besides, it totally makes sense that scrubbing speed in full throttle corners hurts weaker engines more.

Seems like you are just here for your own agenda.

#104 Thatfastguy

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 10:34

:lol: Great relationship already

Cyril, is that you?

#105 rootten

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 11:06

Mclaren got a lot wrong. Same as you did when you claimed TR only had 1 Q3 appearance just a page before. Funny that you didn’t even respond when your big mistake was pointed out.

RB don’t have a record of getting things wrong. Besides, it totally makes sense that scrubbing speed in full throttle corners hurts weaker engines more.

Seems like you are just here for your own agenda.

 

Yeah that slipped my mid somehow. One could argue that they had prep engines for this race specifically since they had to fit new engines for the following races. But I was clearly wrong



#106 Requiem84

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 11:39

Yeah that slipped my mid somehow. One could argue that they had prep engines for this race specifically since they had to fit new engines for the following races. But I was clearly wrong


Fair to admit that. Kudos to you.

#107 RobG

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 11:48

Like McLaren did claiming they had top3 chassis?

 

Mclaren also had the data to come to a conclusion on the performance level of the chassis. 

I'd rather believe mclaren was lying about the true level of performance.



#108 eREr

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 13:25

Yep.. I think in Suzuka they had about 0,5 seconds on Renault on pure Q pace.

 

That's pretty massive for an aero circuit considering that TR barely got aero updates that season.

 

I don't really get this Suzuka qualy hype. It was a rain hit qualy, not a normal one. That result is misleading, that P6/P7 results are not based on pure performance. They were at the right time on the track, they were lucky. Other teams had much less luck.

 

Compared to Renault: in Q1 which can be handled as representative part of the qualy, all 4 cars were separated by 0.25s in Gasly/Sainz/Hartley/Hulk order. You are bending the results heavily. Anyway Suzuka weekend was an off weekend for Renault, that track didn't suit to RS18.

 

Q2/Q3 were not comparable as the timing of the hot laps were much more important than the performance of the car.

 

So in my view the end qualy result in Suzuka can not be representative of the true performance of TR-Honda.



#109 SenorSjon

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 15:01

I rate Sainz/Hulkenberg higher than Gasly/Hartley to be honest.



#110 FordFiesta

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 04:56

I rate Sainz/Hulkenberg higher than Gasly/Hartley to be honest.


And the main reason for that is not even only because of Hartley...

Edited by FordFiesta, 01 February 2019 - 04:57.


#111 Danyy

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 13:14

Did the RB14 have wheel rims like this anyone?
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#112 PedroDiCasttro

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 13:35

Did the RB14 have wheel rims like this anyone?

No, because that is the rear brake, not a wheel rim. Although it does seem to be a little different than it was last year.



#113 Danyy

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 13:43

Yes the brake duct :up: I’m talking about the holes more specifically.

Edited by Danyy, 01 February 2019 - 13:44.


#114 Ivanhoe

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 13:51

https://www.f1today....es-style-wheels

#115 SenorSjon

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 14:26

It also looks like the same livery is used next season. 



#116 Cliff

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 14:29

It also looks like the same livery is used next season.


Very likely, but I doubt they would’ve painted the new one on yet, and I also doubt that is a 2019 wing.

#117 A3

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 15:22

I'm pretty sure it's just an RB14 in that photo.

#118 PedroDiCasttro

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 15:26

Yes the brake duct :up: I’m talking about the holes more specifically.

The holes are part of the brake 'unit'.

 

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#119 Danyy

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 04:52

Very likely, but I doubt they would’ve painted the new one on yet, and I also doubt that is a 2019 wing.


Well that video is three days old, Gasly is in his Honda gear. It’s clearly meant to be a teaser of the RB15 hence why we only saw a tiny part of the car. No point hiding a RB14 :)



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#120 Ragnar668

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 07:15

Well that video is three days old, Gasly is in his Honda gear. It’s clearly meant to be a teaser of the RB15 hence why we only saw a tiny part of the car. No point hiding a RB14 :)

Guess not, can't spot a difference with the RB14 rearwing though



#121 A3

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 07:39

Well that video is three days old, Gasly is in his Honda gear. It’s clearly meant to be a teaser of the RB15 hence why we only saw a tiny part of the car. No point hiding a RB14 :)

Huh? Why would they show any part of the RB15 which you can normally not see? That would be dumb.

They want people to think they’re looking at the new car.

Edited by A3, 02 February 2019 - 07:41.


#122 Danyy

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 08:18

Huh? Why would they show any part of the RB15 which you can normally not see?

Because it’s a teaser..

”A teaser campaign, also known as a pre-launch campaign, is an advertising campaign which typically consists of a series of small, cryptic, challenging advertisements that anticipate a larger, full-blown campaign for a product launch or otherwise important event.

That would be dumb.

Well it’s advertising, you might as well say why make the video in the first place. And since we are talking about it, it seems to be working!

They want people to think they’re looking at the new car.

It’s just a bit of rear wing I don’t see the biggie? It’s more likely they wanted to show just enough to leave it up for debate whether it is or isn’t IMO.

#123 A3

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 08:35

Because it’s a teaser.. Well it’s advertising, you might as well say why make the video in the first place. And since we are talking about it, it seems to be working!
It’s just a bit of rear wing I don’t see the biggie? It’s more likely they wanted to show just enough to leave it up for debate whether it is or isn’t IMO.


You see a rear wheel brake / hub assembly. Usually the teams try really hard to hide details like this. And you believe Red Bull will allow a detail from the RB15 to be filmed like that? I don't think so.

Try to find me an image like that from the 2018 season. I bet you'll have a hard time finding one.

#124 Maustinsj

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 10:55

Nice Toyota Aygo.

#125 A3

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 11:17

Nice Toyota Aygo.


It's a v8 Cygnet actually, based on the Toyota IQ. :)
https://www.roadandt...ah-that-cygnet/

#126 Talisman

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 14:18

Well that video is three days old, Gasly is in his Honda gear. It’s clearly meant to be a teaser of the RB15 hence why we only saw a tiny part of the car. No point hiding a RB14 :)


With that aero they must be pretty damned confident about the new Honda’s power...

#127 Maustinsj

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 16:14

Wasn’t the Cygnet designed so that the overall CO2 Aston Martin’s range as a company was lowered? Or have I been sold a dummy?

#128 Peter Perfect

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 17:54

Looks like Honda will have everything they could hope for this year in terms of the ability to quickly test upgrades. Four identical back-ends means they don't even have the headache of supplying two different teams, and they can throw as many new units at TR as they can produce for on-track testing.

 

https://www.thecheck...grid-penalties/

https://www.thecheck...tage-for-honda/

 

I'm expecting them to make big improvements through the year. If they don't then you can't fault the opportunities they've been given compared to the other engine manufacturers.



#129 BRG

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 18:17

Wasn’t the Cygnet designed so that the overall CO2 Aston Martin’s range as a company was lowered? Or have I been sold a dummy?

Yes indeed it was.

 

Giving Gasly a Toyota powered 'Aston Martin' car shows just how much faith Red Bull have really got in Honda power!



#130 A3

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 19:24

Yes indeed it was.
 
Giving Gasly a Toyota powered 'Aston Martin' car shows just how much faith Red Bull have really got in Honda power!

:)
The V8 is not from Toyota, it's the same as in the Vantage, an engine based on Jaguar's V8.

#131 BRG

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 19:45

:)
The V8 is not from Toyota, it's the same as in the Vantage, an engine based on Jaguar's V8.

Ah, so it's not the regular Cygnet then?  AM engine, developed from the Jaguar, which was developed from a Ford design, wasn't it?  No Honda DNA there.



#132 A3

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 19:59

Ah, so it's not the regular Cygnet then?


I thought that was pretty obvious from the video. And the link

AM engine, developed from the Jaguar, which was developed from a Ford design, wasn't it?  No Honda DNA there.


You really seem serious about this. :confused:
So Aston Martins should now use Honda engines? They didn't use Renault engines before, did they?
The Magnet V8 saw the light in july 2018 and was designed for a customer.

#133 kumo7

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 04:31

:)
The V8 is not from Toyota, it's the same as in the Vantage, an engine based on Jaguar's V8.

 

Can hardly believe how a V8 fit in that engine house. 

 

I say, no way Hose...



#134 A3

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 07:17

.

I say, no way Hose...


I say, read. Listen.

#135 Maustinsj

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 07:29

I say: “Hose?”

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Edited by Maustinsj, 03 February 2019 - 07:29.


#136 RobG

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 08:02

Can hardly believe how a V8 fit in that engine house.

I say, no way Hose...

Pretty odd to doubt this, you can find several articles about the V8 Cygnet on the internet.

#137 JimmyTheFox

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 12:16

Big change coming for the livery? The white helmet is Verstappen's according to f1today

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Edited by JimmyTheFox, 03 February 2019 - 12:19.


#138 Thatfastguy

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 13:31

RB really needs a new livery. So dissapointment when last years pre-season blue camo livery wasn’t used.

#139 Cliff

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 13:33

RB really needs a new livery. So dissapointment when last years pre-season blue camo livery wasn’t used.


Although awesome the camo one didn’t have anything to do with the RB brand. Seeing those helmets I think a red and white livery could be on the cards now that Honda is onboard.

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#140 Ali623

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 14:27

White RB livery?

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#141 Danyy

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 14:38

^NO
This however I wouldn’t mind :)
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#142 A3

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 19:42

Told you guys...

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#143 Danyy

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 20:44

Told you guys...


I wasn’t aware you told us anything but if that’s what you are expecting I’ll hold you to that ;)

#144 ExEd

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 21:41

Why would they change one of the best liveries in F1?

That dark blue/navysh theme with the yellow is so nice, i hope they keep it the same!



#145 Danyy

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 21:47

Helmet colours don’t mean much when it comes to livery so I wouldn’t worry. I like the blue too.

#146 thegamer23

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 21:49

Told you guys...

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I would love that, or something similar.

Red Bull has basically the same identical livery since 2006. I like it, but it starting boring me off honestly. 

A significant change would be welcome. 


Edited by thegamer23, 03 February 2019 - 21:50.


#147 R Soul

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 22:06

Red Bull has basically the same identical livery since 2006. I like it, but it starting boring me off honestly.

 

What about those bloody red cars? And McLaren had the same fag colours for ages. People may have said that those colours were boring, but for others they were/are iconic.

 

Red Bull could add some silver to the car to match the colours of the can, but those colours are integral to their identity. Too big a change would be unwise.


Edited by R Soul, 03 February 2019 - 22:07.


#148 Sleeping

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 03:30

DC drove a white liveried RB4 back in 2008, which looked not that great.



#149 ArrowsLivery

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 06:03

I don't really get this Suzuka qualy hype. It was a rain hit qualy, not a normal one. That result is misleading, that P6/P7 results are not based on pure performance. They were at the right time on the track, they were lucky. Other teams had much less luck.

Compared to Renault: in Q1 which can be handled as representative part of the qualy, all 4 cars were separated by 0.25s in Gasly/Sainz/Hartley/Hulk order. You are bending the results heavily. Anyway Suzuka weekend was an off weekend for Renault, that track didn't suit to RS18.

Q2/Q3 were not comparable as the timing of the hot laps were much more important than the performance of the car.

So in my view the end qualy result in Suzuka can not be representative of the true performance of TR-Honda.


TR smoked Renault/McLaren in Spa as well, which is one of the biggest engine tracks on the calendar.

#150 Reinmuster

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 06:03

Honestly. I don't know if RB could challenge for title. They can at least helps Honda win race(s).