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Can they fight for the championship?

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#2901 Heyli

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 10:04

he makes these statements in interviews with dutch ziggo tv mostly. in dutch, most of these statements sound rather funny or ironic, but when translated in english and taken out of the specific context, they sound harsh. max should know this by now and indeed it's not the right thing to do pr-wise. on the other hand: what would f1 be without characters? :rotfl:

Even if he does know (and he should), I honestly think he really doesn´t care about that. I think he should, but he has never seemed to care how his words are coming across sofar.



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#2902 A3

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 10:09

Anger can be good, it can provide a steely focus and determination if you can harness it. He has all the experiences of last year to channel his anger into something good I’m sure.


Yeah Mexico was a good example last year. "I had no other option than to win" after losing out on pole.

#2903 A3

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 10:53

Max has calmed down and said he would have done the same had he been in Seb's position. Says he didn't know what margin he had.
https://www.gptoday....&utm_medium=rss

I don't understand why driver's rely on their race engineer for such info. Surely that can put the remaining time on their wheel and have a calculated delta to drive to?

Edited by A3, 13 April 2019 - 10:54.


#2904 statman

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 10:59

the last 3 pages of this topic have nothing to do with RB15 technical, all driver/team stuff


Edited by statman, 13 April 2019 - 11:00.


#2905 Danyy

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 11:45

Then why not post something technical otherwise your post is just as useless.
I’ll kick things off with a photo shall I
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#2906 Requiem84

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 11:48

3 pages about missing one Q lap while only being 0,5 from pole.

Car is much better than in Bahrein. Very good news. Honda doing ok it seems. How is the speed trap?

#2907 Danyy

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 11:52

Honda was testing engines modes in the post Bahrain test. I heard they also made a step. That was a crucial test for Red Bull and Honda. Fantastic recovery so far in China. So did Red Bull go for the low downforce or high downforce rear wing?

#2908 Stephane

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 12:00

3 pages about missing one Q lap while only being 0,5 from pole.

Car is much better than in Bahrein. Very good news. Honda doing ok it seems. How is the speed trap?

 

Good for the TR, not so good for the RB.



#2909 Maxioos

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 12:01

Max has calmed down and said he would have done the same had he been in Seb's position. Says he didn't know what margin he had.https://www.gptoday....&utm_medium=rssI don't understand why driver's rely on their race engineer for such info. Surely that can put the remaining time on their wheel and have a calculated delta to drive to?


And his engineer just had to warn him earlier in the lap. They always talk constantly. They should have warned it was on the limit.

#2910 Requiem84

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 12:04

Hamilton didnt improve in his lap. Bottas also only 0,0xx.

Let’s not focus too much on 1 operational error. More focus on the recovery of the car. You know, the grand scheme of things.

#2911 Danyy

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 12:06

Good for the TR, not so good for the RB.


Toro Rosso has less downforce so it’s expected. What’s more important is the comparison to the Ferrari/Merc. But actually did anyone else notice Max going purple a lot in the second sector right before the back straight? What does that tell you? Red Bull going for something to set up a nice overtake perhaps? ;)

Edited by Danyy, 13 April 2019 - 21:59.


#2912 Kao18

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 16:47

Hamilton didnt improve in his lap. Bottas also only 0,0xx.

Let’s not focus too much on 1 operational error. More focus on the recovery of the car. You know, the grand scheme of things.


Things like this can have a big impact on where you finish in the race and the wdc though. You could have potentially started p3 in front of two main rivals instead of p5, and from there with a bit of luck won the race. From p5 winning will be much harder and in normal circumstances near impossible.

But yes at least some of the issues look fixed so that's good.

#2913 Ali623

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 16:53

Surprisingly impressive qualifying for RB, Max needs to try and jump at least one of the Ferrari’s at the start and the race pace looks good so with potential overtaking at this track he has the potential to move forward

#2914 Requiem84

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 17:00

Surprisingly impressive qualifying for RB, Max needs to try and jump at least one of the Ferrari’s at the start and the race pace looks good so with potential overtaking at this track he has the potential to move forward


Starts with Honda have been average off the line.

Renault on the other hnd..

#2915 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 17:01

Starts with Honda have been average off the line.

Renault on the other hnd..


Yeah, that’s a worry. Especially with the harder compound providing less grip as well.

#2916 Stephane

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 17:49

With ALonso, the Honda made pretty good starts.



#2917 Kao18

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 17:52

With ALonso, the Honda made pretty good starts.

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Yeah, nothing to do with Honda, just clutch settings.

#2918 Requiem84

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 18:04

Or torque.

#2919 Heyli

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 18:16

Or torque.

Pretty sure Max got off the line perfectly fine in Bahrein, no? Also Australia wasnt that bad, he just ended up on the wrong side of Vettel again.

 

If memory serves me right... :)

 

*edit*: memory served me wrong. Bahrein wasnt good. Australia wasnt that bad though.


Edited by Heyli, 13 April 2019 - 18:18.


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#2920 Fredshje

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 18:37

With the start in Australia was nothing wrong. The start in Bahrein was bad due to clutch settings. I reckon (and hope) RB has solved this.

#2921 Ivanhoe

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 19:03

Or torque.

Max suffered from wheelspin in Bahrein, Melbourne was ok.

I had a bit of wheelspin ", Verstappen explains in Ziggo talk show Peptalk his poor start at the Bahrain GP


Edited by Ivanhoe, 13 April 2019 - 19:07.


#2922 Heyli

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 19:09

Max suffered from wheelspin in Bahrein, Melbourne was ok.
 

Too much power obviously ;)



#2923 SenorSjon

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 19:13

They set the clutch when leaving for the warmup lap. He overestimated the amount of grip, si he had too much wheelspin.

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 01:25

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#2925 ElectricBoogie

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:00

I'm curious how overtaking will be with Ferrari supposedly less than stellar through slow corners where closer following might be possible anyway. Could they be sitting ducks (relatively) onto (DRS) straights?
Renaults may well get in the way on the first few laps but normally shouldn't be able to keep (at least Max) behind for too long even if the former have good straight line speed.

With the battles getting real over at Mercedes and Ferrari and quali deficit much lower than in the past two races, we are almost forced to be hopeful about the race pace. Also, who can take care of the Mediums best? They'll have to go a long way.

Gasly starting on Softs I believe? Might remove the opportunity to have him block for Max's benefit? We know the Fins often were used this way...

It's bad, but I kind of hope the front two rows will make a mess of the opening lap :-)



#2926 Augurk

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 07:51

Car has a long way to go.

#2927 renzmann

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:02

solid race. rbr did not have the pace i had expected, but considering the circumstances it's great max got one ferrari without being particularly lucky. glad for pierre he got the fastest lap, albeit again being nowhere in comparison to max.

 

i'm happy we got the confirmation melbourne was more representative of the car's pace than bahrain. compared to last year's race, 4th and 6th can't be satisfying though... hope the next updates bring them closer to the top soon.

 

 

 

on a side note: i really watch the races way more relaxed since rbr is honda driven. i used to fear an engine failure every single lap in the renault days. so good to rest assured probably nothing will go wrong :clap:



#2928 Pits

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:03

Still, the car looked a lot faster yesterday...

It seems the wind effected the overal performance again...



#2929 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:05

Yep, even if the pace isn’t quite there at the moment, a big positive has been how reliable the Honda had been. Something to build on at least.

#2930 Maxioos

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:06

Max on his own forces Ferrari to sacrifice one of their cars to cover Max. Don't forget what they have said themselves, start season won't be optimal but during season they should get very strong. I see that still as a possibility. Stil P3 WDC. It will be needed/handy if Ferrari and RBR will be infront Mercedes couple races, Mercedes are great in maximising their results again this year. Impressive.

#2931 Thatfastguy

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:07

This car is still not fast enough. They seemed to have solved the issue but are pretty much back to the Australia deficit which is just way too much. All advantages RB had seem to be gone.

Watching Renault crash and burn, I’m getting happier with Honda every day. Reliability is impressive so far. The issues being on the chassis side is positive too. At least RB have that in their own hands.

#2932 geralt

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:12

Was expecting the gap to be smaller after yesterday's quali (especially to Ferrari), so it's a bit of a disappointing performance for me. Max is continuing to maximise the results, so at least there's that to be positive about



#2933 Maxioos

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:15

Was expecting the gap to be smaller after yesterday's quali (especially to Ferrari), so it's a bit of a disappointing performance for me. Max is continuing to maximise the results, so at least there's that to be positive about

 

 

He is in between the Ferrari's, how can that be not a small gap?



#2934 Massa

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:18

He is speaking in term of pace. Red bull on the hard was way slower than Ferrari. Look how easily Vettel pulled the gap over Verstappen

#2935 Ivanhoe

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:20

Yep, Max was lucky Ferrari messed up Leclerc’s strategy today.

#2936 Arundo

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:22

Yeah Mercedes and Ferrari still clearly ahead of Redbull, they are close (Verstappen) but not there yet. That move on Vettel would not have lasted long if he managed it. Hope Redbull can pull a good update out of Newey's ass to get in the mix with the Mercs and Ferrari's. Max still third in the WDC shows that Max is driving very solid this year sofar. Apart from his spin in the warmup lap  :rotfl:



#2937 Danyy

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:28

Great race from Max again. Hopefully Red Bull can give him a faster car for the next race. That was a oddly uneventful race, I think the only thing I reacted to was Max dive bombing Seb lol

Edited by Danyy, 14 April 2019 - 08:29.


#2938 ArrowsLivery

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:30

Max was keeping up with the Ferraris very nicely in the first stint. It’s strange how slow he was on the hards, I wonder if he was able to get them in the proper temperature at all. Still, a decent result overall, we got third in the WDC and fastest lap for Pierre.

#2939 Wolbo

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:31

Not bad, but also expected a bit more in terms of pace. Guess the downside of having a better party mode on Saturday is that the usual performance gain on Sunday will be smaller or even absent.



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#2940 Prelude

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:49

3 races, now it's clear the package is def behind Merc and Ferr.

They need to speed up development. Both chassis and PU upgrades will gradualy bring them closer to the front.

Meanwhile, Max is maximizing every result. Great job.

Gasly in danger. Needs to improve a lot, fast.

 

They also need to work on the starts. They seem to wheelspin too much off the line.


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#2941 Zerobyte

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:01

There was today no racing speed, good team cal for the 4e place , and Max still 3e in wdc.

On to the next race and hopefully they find the speed in the upcoming races.



#2942 statman

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:06

was again impressed by Verstappen, really maximizing in this car.

 

Def. needs development both chassis and engine.



#2943 Lights

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:19

It's a little disappointing that Red Bull don't seem to have the relatively strong racepace anymore compared to Mercedes and Ferrari that they enjoyed last year. Last year when Red Bull would be close in qualifying you could bet on them being a serious threat in the race, but this year it seems like this little advantage has fallen away. This weekend they were missing around 5 tenths a lap to Mercedes in qualifying as well as the race, and 2/3 tenths to Ferrari. We've seen Red Bull get back from this kind of gap before, but it can't take too long if they still want to challenge for the championship.



#2944 Heyli

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:22

It's a little disappointing that Red Bull don't seem to have the relatively strong racepace anymore compared to Mercedes and Ferrari that they enjoyed last year. Last year when Red Bull would be close in qualifying you could bet on them being a serious threat in the race, but this year it seems like this little advantage has fallen away. This weekend they were missing around 5 tenths a lap to Mercedes in qualifying as well as the race, and 2/3 tenths to Ferrari. We've seen Red Bull get back from this kind of gap before, but it can't take too long if they still want to challenge for the championship.

They had that at the end of last year, not the beginning.



#2945 A3

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:25

They had that at the end of last year, not the beginning.


They won China because the car had a tyre advantage.

#2946 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:27

They won China because the car had a tyre advantage.


Because they pitted for new tyres (got lucky with SC timing) you mean?

#2947 Heyli

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:29

They won China because the car had a tyre advantage.

You´ve again lost me how that relates to what I said... :D



#2948 Sunnny

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:29

3 races, now it's clear the package is def behind Merc and Ferr.

They need to speed up development. Both chassis and PU upgrades will gradualy bring them closer to the front.

Meanwhile, Max is maximizing every result. Great job.

Gasly in danger. Needs to improve a lot, fast.

 

They also need to work on the starts. They seem to wheelspin too much off the line.

 

2020 was always the target. They have only just had a reg change and new PU. Honda must be working flat out to close the gap and I have absolute confidence in the team making up the ground by the end of the year and unleashing the total package come 2020. That said teams like Merc, Ferrari are not going to be standing still 



#2949 Wolbo

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:32

This weekend they were missing around 5 tenths a lap to Mercedes in qualifying as well as the race, and 2/3 tenths to Ferrari. We've seen Red Bull get back from this kind of gap before, but it can't take too long if they still want to challenge for the championship.

 

Think the real performance gap to Mercedes this race was around 0.8s per lap, just look at the laps until Max pitted. Highly unlikely they will close that anytime soon, Perhaps the colder conditions hampered Red Bull, they tend to perform better comparatively in warmer conditions.



#2950 A3

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 09:35

Because they pitted for new tyres (got lucky with SC timing) you mean?

Yeah forgot that the Ferraris didn’t pit either. Never mind me. :drunk: