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#101 Peat

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 07:42

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So, they too have a drastic outwash front wing. It'll be interesting to see what else shows up at Barcelona. The launch cars could all have been decoys. 



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#102 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 05:55

Great stuff by Kvyat to top the times.  :clap:   :p

 

Solid driving by Albon too, not bad for a rookie.  :up:  :up:


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 21 February 2019 - 05:56.


#103 Clatter

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 09:19

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So, they too have a drastic outwash front wing. It'll be interesting to see what else shows up at Barcelona. The launch cars could all have been decoys.

You sound surprised. The launch cars are purely to show off the livery.

#104 Grundle

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 19:59

Shall we talk about Albons 1.16.8?! Very impressive from Torro Rosso. For me this puts them right at the top of midfield.

#105 CharlesWinstone

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 20:20

It seems the laptimes come quit effortlessly You never know maybe the are the 4th team.

#106 AlexPrime

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 12:04

STR are having a great test. Impressive from Honda, if confirmed in Oz.



#107 Requiem84

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 12:34

Do they look stronger than RB perhaps?



#108 haryantofan666

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 12:37

I'm not buying it. Albon and Kvyat in a Toro Rosso? p15/p16 I would say

 

I hope to be wrong ofcourse


Edited by haryantofan666, 01 March 2019 - 12:38.


#109 Maxioos

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 15:10

I'm not buying it. Albon and Kvyat in a Toro Rosso? p15/p16 I would say
 
I hope to be wrong ofcourse


I don't Bell you hope you are wrong. Why otherwise make the disrespectful comment in sentence prior? There is no indication at all they are on p15/16, so, only your wish in my opinion.

#110 CharlesWinstone

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 12:50

I'm not buying it. Albon and Kvyat in a Toro Rosso? p15/p16 I would say

I hope to be wrong ofcourse

TR lap times are close to Renault and Alfa and i expect a tight midfield battle. I see TR doing really well and hope Kvyat has a strong season. The guy deserves it.

Edited by CharlesWinstone, 02 March 2019 - 12:51.


#111 haryantofan666

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 13:00

TR lap times are close to Renault and Alfa and i expect a tight midfield battle. I see TR doing really well and hope Kvyat has a strong season. The guy deserves it.

It looks very close indeed. But if thats the case, Haas, Alfa and Rp have great engine modes when it matters and Renault has a very good driver pairing. The Honda remains an unknown and Albon is a rookie. It's hard to imagine Toro Rosso beating those teams. Didn't TR also lose James Key?

 

Some posts here are a bit too optimistic I believe.



#112 CharlesWinstone

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 20:18

It looks very close indeed. But if thats the case, Haas, Alfa and Rp have great engine modes when it matters and Renault has a very good driver pairing. The Honda remains an unknown and Albon is a rookie. It's hard to imagine Toro Rosso beating those teams. Didn't TR also lose James Key?

Some posts here are a bit too optimistic I believe.


If Honda is an unknow you can say the same of Renault. Last year the lump was underpowered and not always reliable. It has to be seen if they improved.

RB was more involved in the development of the 2019 STR14 and therefore no need to replace Key.
TR looked really good in Barcelona. In Australia we will know.

#113 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 20:46

Their one lap pace looked good yeah, but the long runs were not so strong. And long runs is what it’s all about.

#114 Nathan

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 23:54

If Honda is an unknow you can say the same of Renault. Last year the lump was underpowered and not always reliable. It has to be seen if they improved.
 

 

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums.  Honda has been nowhere near that.  Honda's reliability has been much worse, and Enstone didn't seem to have the same PU issues as Red Bull.  So when considering that, while Renault has a hill to climb Honda's closer to a mountain so I don't think one has to give the same considerations/benefit of the doubt about Renault as you would Honda.


Edited by Nathan, 02 March 2019 - 23:57.


#115 TF110

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 06:23

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums.  Honda has been nowhere near that.  Honda's reliability has been much worse, and Enstone didn't seem to have the same PU issues as Red Bull.  So when considering that, while Renault has a hill to climb Honda's closer to a mountain so I don't think one has to give the same considerations/benefit of the doubt about Renault as you would Honda.

No Honda issues at all during the test. Can the Renault's say the same?



#116 Requiem84

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 07:15

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums. Honda has been nowhere near that. Honda's reliability has been much worse, and Enstone didn't seem to have the same PU issues as Red Bull. So when considering that, while Renault has a hill to climb Honda's closer to a mountain so I don't think one has to give the same considerations/benefit of the doubt about Renault as you would Honda.


Renaukt used 5 PU’s over 8 days this test (confirmed by Remi Taffin).

Not sure what Honda did?

Honda is still a question mark, but the signs and the clear upward trend are encouragibg aren’t they?

#117 Ivanhoe

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 07:39

Renaukt used 5 PU’s over 8 days this test (confirmed by Remi Taffin).
Not sure what Honda did?
Honda is still a question mark, but the signs and the clear upward trend are encouragibg aren’t they?

They used two engines and only replaced it because Honda wanted to try some small updates.

Link (in Dutch) https://racingnews36...otoren-gebruikt

#118 A3

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 07:43

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums. .

Oh please. Without Red Bull the Renault Renault engine would have won nothing. And Red Bull would have won a lot more if the Renault was not so much underpowered.

#119 Ragnar668

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 07:55

They used two engines and only replaced it because Honda wanted to try some small updates.

Link (in Dutch) https://racingnews36...otoren-gebruikt

 

The 5 PU's from Renault where from both Renault and McLaren?
If yes then you should add at least 1 engine for RB because of engine change from Gasly's first crash



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#120 Ivanhoe

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 08:09

The 5 PU's from Renault where from both Renault and McLaren?
If yes then you should add at least 1 engine for RB because of engine change from Gasly's first crash

Only Renault.

We used so many engines in the test weeks that I have to count for a while ", Taffin smiles at the press." I think the Renault team has put in five engines. We have not experienced any significant problems.


Link (Dutch again) https://racingnews36...blijft-mogelijk

#121 CharlesWinstone

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 08:13

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums. Honda has been nowhere near that. Honda's reliability has been much worse, and Enstone didn't seem to have the same PU issues as Red Bull. So when considering that, while Renault has a hill to climb Honda's closer to a mountain so I don't think one has to give the same considerations/benefit of the doubt about Renault as you would Honda.

I agree that the RB package was harder on the engine and caused more problems. But the RB chassis gave them the win(g)s. Not the engine. The Renault factory team was often lapped in the race and not even close to a podium last year.
RB is gone now and Renault has to prove they can do the job themselves. Meaning they have to take more risks with the engine (more power, work closer to the thermal limits etc.
RB/Honda sacrificed TR last year to test and improve the engine to close up to Merc en Ferrari as much as possible. Could be that Honda is better prepared than Renault for the coming season.

Edited by CharlesWinstone, 03 March 2019 - 08:15.


#122 hasika

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 08:45

Renaukt used 5 PU’s over 8 days this test (confirmed by Remi Taffin).

Not sure what Honda did?

Honda is still a question mark, but the signs and the clear upward trend are encouragibg aren’t they?

For Toro Rosso,Honda used one PU over 8 days this test.

For Red Bull,Honda used 3 PU over the test because of the two crash caused by gasly.Honda's original plan was using one PU over 8days for both teams to check the reliability and durability.

So galsy's crash changed the plan,not only bad for the team,also not ideal for Honda,sorry just a little bit off topic.The honda engine seems really good during the test despite the crash.

Anyway,test is just test,so i will keep cautious.


Edited by hasika, 03 March 2019 - 08:46.


#123 Requiem84

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 08:50

For Toro Rosso,Honda used one PU over 8 days this test.
For Red Bull,Honda used 3 PU over the test because of the two crash caused by gasly.Honda's original plan was using one PU over 8days for both teams to check the reliability and durability.
So galsy's crash changed the plan,not only bad for the team,also not ideal for Honda,sorry just a little bit off topic.The honda engine seems really good during the test despite the crash.
Anyway,test is just test,so i will keep cautious.


1 PU for 935 laps?

That is equivalent to 14 race distances or so?? Sounds a bit unrealistic?

#124 Ivanhoe

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 08:53

For Toro Rosso,Honda used one PU over 8 days this test.
For Red Bull,Honda used 3 PU over the test because of the two crash caused by gasly.Honda's original plan was using one PU over 8days for both teams to check the reliability and durability.
So galsy's crash changed the plan,not only bad for the team,also not ideal for Honda,sorry just a little bit off topic.The honda engine seems really good during the test despite the crash.
Anyway,test is just test,so i will keep cautious.

Toro Rosso said they used two PU’s.

#125 Laptom

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:09

2 PU's = 1 replacement. You both saying the same. 



#126 Ivanhoe

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:12

1 replacement is ‘has used 1 over 8 days’? Strange way of wordings.

#127 A3

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:15

The more I look at this car, the more I see it's a slightly tweaked RB14 in everything. Feel a bit dumb to only see this now.

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#128 SenorSjon

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:30

Most teams used at least 2 PU’s I guess? One per week.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:37

The more I look at this car, the more I see it's a slightly tweaked RB14 in everything. Feel a bit dumb to only see this now.
 

Tost himself said its not. 



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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:38

Most teams used at least 2 PU’s I guess? One per week.

Well, RB changed 1 first week after Gasly's crash, so at least 3, maybe 4 if changed after second crash too



#131 hasika

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:54

Toro Rosso said they used two PU’s.

http://f1sokuho.mopi...073&tt=-1&at=45

 

The japanese journalist said TR already ran 3193.33km by one PU after day six.

So i dont know,maybe they changed PU during the last two days?I will find out it later.


Edited by hasika, 03 March 2019 - 09:58.


#132 hasika

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:56

Well, RB changed 1 first week after Gasly's crash, so at least 3, maybe 4 if changed after second crash too

http://f1sokuho.mopi...073&tt=-1&at=45

 

The article also said RB changed PU after Galsy's crash in the first week,then they didnt change PU until Galsy had another crash in the second week.



#133 Ivanhoe

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:58

http://f1sokuho.mopi...073&tt=-1&at=45
 
The japanese journalist said TR already ran 3193.33km by one PU when day six was over.
So i dont know,maybe they changed PU during the last two days?I will found out it later.

It’s in the (Dutch) link in post #117, they quoted Jody Egginton of STR saying they were on their 2nd PU at the last test day.

#134 Requiem84

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 10:31

It’s in the (Dutch) link in post #117, they quoted Jody Egginton of STR saying they were on their 2nd PU at the last test day.

 

935 laps equals 4352km's.

 

What would a GP weekend roughly be like?

 

300k, for the race obviously.

Free practice and q together is around 95 laps (just checked Australia 2018 FP's quickly). 95 laps = 503km.

 

So roughly a GP weekend would be about 800 kilometers for 1 PU. If TR did 3200 km's on 1 PU, at least they were able to run 4 full race weekends on it. Which is quite impressive imo.

 

Especially considering that at some point most team start to use older engines in Free Practice and you can use them a bit longer...



#135 RobG

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 11:23

The more I look at this car, the more I see it's a slightly tweaked RB14 in everything. Feel a bit dumb to only see this now.

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I actually see very little similarities. The nose and suspension look a lot alike, but furthermore I see quite some differences. The sidepod of the STR clearly has a bigger opening and has an undercut, where the RB14 hardly had any undercut. This different shows on the entire coke bottle shape. Also the widening of the cockpit was more gradually on the RB14, where the str has a more sudden transition just in front of the sidepod. Also, the airbox is differently shaped,
Of course the wings and barge boards are different but that's due regulation changes.
I was pretty surprised with the lack of similarities.

Edited by RobG, 03 March 2019 - 11:25.


#136 statman

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 08:56

Australia:

 

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(AMUS)


Edited by statman, 14 March 2019 - 08:57.


#137 Sunnny

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:07

Not really followed this team, what do you think their target objectives for this year are?  5th to 7th? Seems like its going to be a tough ask with so many of the midfield teams closely matched. The best possible result for them is 5th and thats a big ask. 



#138 Nova

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 05:12

Nice showing from Kyvat. Hiw much was the gap to pole last year?

#139 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 14:36

Renault F1 boss Cyril Abiteboul is unhappy with the performance of rival mid-field squad Toro Rosso:

 

"Just look at Toro Rosso, who in my opinion are likely to be the team to beat as far as we’re concerned for the start of the season given where we are," said the Abiteboul, speaking to Sky F1.

"Toro Rosso had no technical director for most of last season. It’s very clear what went on."

 

:clap:  :clap:  :clap:

 

Obviously, the suspension of STR14 is the same as RB14 and is a very good base for optimising the Pirelli tyres.  :up:  :up:

 

As to how much aero data of RB14, STR had access to, that is hard to say.  :confused:

 

Anyway, hopefully STR can fight near to the front of the midfield.  :clap:  


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 15 March 2019 - 14:37.


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#140 A3

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 14:53

Cyril switched from picking fights with Red Bull to Toro Rosso. :lol:

#141 Sunnny

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 15:20

Cyril switched from picking fights with Red Bull to Toro Rosso. :lol:

 

Maybe he is scared of Karma after he screwed them up in 2017 with faulty engines in the WCC race. 


Edited by Sunnny, 15 March 2019 - 15:20.


#142 A3

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 15:49

I wonder if he's scared of car performance or that it might be the Honda he's really scared off.

#143 Neno

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 17:18

I wonder if he's scared of car performance or that it might be the Honda he's really scared off.

I think it's pretty clear what he is insinuating. Otherwise must suck going through life as not exactly brightest bulb. Not talking about you. Just to be clear. 



#144 Heyli

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 20:26

Is there a driver thread already...?



#145 johnwilliamdavies

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 09:33

Albon and Kyat's thoughts on the race. Decent pace in car, Alex got messed up by the Alfa going slow. 

 

 



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Posted 28 July 2019 - 16:38

4 McLaren Renault

70

 

 

5 Scuderia Toro Rosso Honda

42

 

 

6 Renault

39

 

 

 

 

Toro Rosso 3 points ahead of Renault and 28 behind McLaren.



#147 Danyy

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Posted 28 July 2019 - 16:57

First team outside the top three to get a podium. That VTEC kicked in :D

#148 Sunnny

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Posted 28 July 2019 - 16:59

Wow this team has had zero comments unitl today siince March. They were my underdog team last year because of Honda. Feel RB stole their thunder this year. But Kudos to the team.  Who would had thunk they would be ahead of Reanult  :p


Edited by Sunnny, 28 July 2019 - 16:59.


#149 JimmyTheFox

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 07:55

Tanabe confirms Kvyat's engine is undamaged, Monza retirement was caused by a gradual leak from oil cooler damaged by gravel.

https://members.f1-l...net/race/87460/

#150 Danyy

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 13:26

Tanabe confirms Kvyat's engine is undamaged, Monza retirement was caused by a gradual leak from oil cooler damaged by gravel.

https://members.f1-l...net/race/87460/

Honda’s reliability has been impressive this year. It’s one of the most reliable engines and now it’s very close to Mercedes if not level.

Edited by Danyy, 20 September 2019 - 13:26.