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#3851 gillesfan76

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 15:08

Tweaks the the Y250 vortex generator area of the FW at Baku

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You guys are total F1 pornnoisseurs!



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#3852 Hyatt

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 15:16

Less front wing?

or just a matter of perspective :)



#3853 OO7

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 12:36

Two different front wings:

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#3854 uraharakisuke

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 12:49

Ferrari have a new floor and bargeboard upgrade so could be a competitive weekend!



#3855 kernel

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 12:59

Ferrari have a new floor and bargeboard upgrade so could be a competitive weekend!

 

Both are relatively minor upgrades (at least visually). They also have a diffuser upgrade. Who knows who will be on top - form has been yo-yoing all season long so far.

 

 

 

The main plane of the Mercedes low downforce rear wing has got a serrated edge. Haven't seen this in a while.

 

 

Photos on the link:

 

https://twitter.com/...394204847104001


Edited by kernel, 25 April 2019 - 13:00.


#3856 hodgy21

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 13:08

Both are relatively minor upgrades (at least visually). They also have a diffuser upgrade. Who knows who will be on top - form has been yo-yoing all season long so far.

 

 

 

Photos on the link:

 

https://twitter.com/...394204847104001

 

Is the DRS opening measured to the highest point on the lower wing element? Could Mercedes be trying to increase the DRS opening whilst maintaining downforce when the DRS is closed? Just throwing it out there for discussion.



#3857 kernel

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 13:14

Is the DRS opening measured to the highest point on the lower wing element? Could Mercedes be trying to increase the DRS opening whilst maintaining downforce when the DRS is closed? Just throwing it out there for discussion.

 

 

The AoA on the main flap is not as steep on Baku's RW compared to China's.

 

 

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#3858 hodgy21

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 13:23

Is the DRS opening measured to the highest point on the lower wing element? Could Mercedes be trying to increase the DRS opening whilst maintaining downforce when the DRS is closed? Just throwing it out there for discussion.

 

From the technical regulations (3.6.3)

 

Furthermore, the distance between adjacent sections at any longitudinal vertical plane must lie between 10mm and 15mm at their closest position, except, in accordance with Article 3.6.8, when this distance must lie between 10mm and 85mm when the DRS system is deployed.



#3859 JonnyJ

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 13:29

Didn't Mercedes run a serrated edge RW a few years back? Seem to recall they've had something like this before

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#3860 hodgy21

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 13:33

Didn't Mercedes run a serrated edge RW a few years back? Seem to recall they've had something like this before

 

2015

 

https://www.motorspo...-678135/678135/


Edited by hodgy21, 25 April 2019 - 13:34.


#3861 hodgy21

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 14:43

From AMuS:

 

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#3862 MonkeySpin

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 14:50

There is something quite sexy about that.



#3863 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 15:32

Reminds me of a hacksaw......



#3864 beachdrifter

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 16:11

Merc will use lower downforce rear wing in Baku 

 

https://www.auto-mot...baidschan-2019/

 

Engineers believe their wing might actually produce less downforce than Ferrari's for a change. This will also require slight changes to the front wing to balance things out.

 

With Ferrari joining the development race with their first aero upgrade package of the season ("a good step"), and Red Bull with a new engine that Max hopes will give them "2 tenths", that's quite a setup for an exciting weekend!


Edited by beachdrifter, 25 April 2019 - 16:25.


#3865 beachdrifter

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 16:34

Lewis Hamilton says 2019 Mercedes Formula 1 car harder to work with

https://www.autospor...er-to-work-with



#3866 femi

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 16:37

Vettel sounds almost threatening!



#3867 beachdrifter

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 16:53

As I thought, we're arriving at the weekend with no favorite! 

 

https://www.formula1...CbtgcrMGfa.html



#3868 beachdrifter

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 16:54

Vettel sounds almost threatening!

 

You mean this one? 

 

"I think we have a very strong package and I'm confident if we can get it in the right place then we should be able to show that and give the others a very, very hard time."

 



#3869 CL16

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 16:58

“We can use our shell special fuel during this round so we’ll be competitive”

#3870 kernel

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 17:07

Unless Ferrari has a humongous advantage on the straights, a lot more time will be won/lost in the corners, and not necessarily due to DF levels but rather through getting the tyres in the optimal zone. 

 

Ferrari had lower DF than Merc last year but was probably the only team operating the tyres in the optimal range and as a result trounced Merc in the twisty bits (Kimi's best S2 was nearly 5 tenths up on Hamilton's best S2). 



#3871 beachdrifter

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 17:17

Unless Ferrari has a humongous advantage on the straights, a lot more time will be won/lost in the corners, and not necessarily due to DF levels but rather through getting the tyres in the optimal zone. 

 

I don't know what qualifies as "humongous" in your book, but 4 tenths (as in Bahrain and China) certainly qualifies in mine!

 

Wolff stated after China that finding more straight line speed would be one of their main priorities going forward. I wonder if perhaps they could see in the data that they left some performance on the table with their draggier approach. 


Edited by beachdrifter, 25 April 2019 - 17:19.


#3872 SonGoku

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 17:50

Lewis Hamilton says 2019 Mercedes Formula 1 car harder to work with

https://www.autospor...er-to-work-with

 

 

Doesn't surprise me, you see him struggling. When he is on top of the car he can go to an extra level of perfomance which he can't do right now. Hopefully he can work it out again like last season.



#3873 Marklar

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 17:57

I don't know what qualifies as "humongous" in your book, but 4 tenths (as in Bahrain and China) certainly qualifies in mine!

 

Thing is though that everyone had more wing than Ferrari in those races, now it's the other way around, so I wouldnt expect those 4 tenths on the straight (even if they are a bit longer).

kernel is spot on. The tyres are the key, probably even more on this track.

 

As I thought, we're arriving at the weekend with no favorite! 

 

https://www.formula1...CbtgcrMGfa.html

Official website of the competition predicts uncertaincy, color me shocked  :p 
 

 

Doesn't surprise me, you see him struggling. When he is on top of the car he can go to an extra level of perfomance which he can't do right now. Hopefully he can work it out again like last season.

It probably applies to all cars this year tbh, Mercedes looks like a very consistent car if you compare that.
 

Vettel sounds almost threatening!

fits to the more bullish theme this year  :p



#3874 beachdrifter

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 18:23

Official website of the competition predicts uncertaincy, color me shocked  :p

 

 

Same guy on same site had Merc as favorites ahead of the China weekend. It's also largely the same on other sites from what I've seen, so that's quite a difference to previous weekends.

 

And that's how it should be! Nobody knows how the upgrades will translate (especially Ferraris), nobody knows who will ace the setup this time, and Baku is famous for unpredictable weekends on top of that. 


Edited by beachdrifter, 25 April 2019 - 18:28.


#3875 femi

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 18:35

You mean this one? 

Yes that one. Leclerc chipped in too.



#3876 uraharakisuke

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 18:46

So Mercedes potentially going for less downforce than Ferrari, trying to claw back some straight line speed, Ferrari should in turn claw back some slow/mid speed performance. Interesting! As previously mentioned, should all come down to who greases their tyres better.

 

If I may make a bold prediction; Ferrari on pole, Merc closer in the race. However every time I predict Vettel to win he does everything in his power to not. Let's see how practice looks though if I'm not mistaken Ferrari of late run their engine higher in FP1-2 relative to their rivals, true?



#3877 beachdrifter

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 19:06

Max on the current balance of power on the engine front: 

 

Asked about the comparison with Honda's main rivals, Verstappen said the engine gap to Mercedes had closed but that Ferrari was comfortably ahead.

 

"Compared to Mercedes, yes [Honda has closed the gap]," he replied, "but compared to Ferrari it's big, but that's for everyone. It's really big.

 

"It just seems they did a really good job with something, so you just have to work harder to try to close that gap.

 

"I think we are closer to Mercedes, but it's always difficult to really say if it's better, because everybody is always improving.

 

"For our side at the moment is that we are able to maximise the result all the time, which has been a third and twice fourth, without retiring, so that is sometimes more important than maybe gaining a tenth but then breaking down all the time.

 

"I think in the race in general we are a bit more competitive so again, in qualifying it's mainly just Ferrari that stands out - like, it's massive."

 

 

https://www.autospor...be-massive-gain

 

I think the picture (as presented by Merc, Ferrari and Red Bull) is a very consistent one: Ferrari - especially in quali - has more engine power than anybody else (regardless of other factors). In the races, it's close(r ). Honda is closer to Merc than they used to be, but not quite there yet (Lewis said basically the same thing). 


Edited by beachdrifter, 25 April 2019 - 19:07.


#3878 beachdrifter

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 19:18

Let's see how practice looks though if I'm not mistaken Ferrari of late run their engine higher in FP1-2 relative to their rivals, true?

 

Picture is still a bit murky, although Ferrari seems to use different settings for performance runs on Fridays.

 

I've decided to largely ignore Fridays now. Neither the one lap pace nor the race simulations seem to provide meaningful insights for the weekend. Saturday pace has translated surprisingly well into race pace on the other hand. That seems much more representative than in previous years for some reason (Merc better with the tyres finally?).


Edited by beachdrifter, 25 April 2019 - 19:46.


#3879 kernel

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:06

Hopefully the delta in S2 to Ferrari is down to tyres/track not rubbered in, as opposed to lack of downforce...

 

That new RW seems to be working, with both Merc in the top 10 in speed trap (knowing how conservative Merc runs its engines on Fridays).

 

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Edited by kernel, 26 April 2019 - 14:08.


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#3880 SonGoku

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:18

According to the Dutch commentator Mercedes race pace is on the same level as Red Bull, not Ferrari.



#3881 ExEd

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:20

According to the Dutch commentator Mercedes race pace is on the same level as Red Bull, not Ferrari.

Any links to long stints given by them?



#3882 kernel

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:26

Are HAM and BOT running the new low downforce RW?



#3883 beachdrifter

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:08

Gap to Ferrari slightly bigger than it was in FP2 in Bahrain on performance runs.

 

As unrepresentative as Fridays have been, the team leading in FP2 this season has also locked out the front row 3 out of 3 times.



#3884 TomNokoe

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:10

Exactly the same as last year, nowhere in S2 on Friday. Race pace looks good.

#3885 TheGoldenStoffel

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:10

According to the Dutch commentator Mercedes race pace is on the same level as Red Bull, not Ferrari.

 

For as much as you could read into it in a interrupted session like this Mercedes racepace was much better than that of Ferrari though. 



#3886 Marklar

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:10

According to the Dutch commentator Mercedes race pace is on the same level as Red Bull, not Ferrari.

Are the Dutch commentators always saying the opposite of what is actually happening?

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:13

According to the Dutch commentator Mercedes race pace is on the same level as Red Bull, not Ferrari.

 

Are they as reliable as our British commentators?! 



#3888 TheGoldenStoffel

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:13

Are the Dutch commentators always saying the opposite of what is actually happening?

 

Yep...Ziggo is really a joke, they pretend to know it all while in fact they simply have no clue at all what they are talking about.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:19

Are HAM and BOT running the new low downforce RW?


Ham the low downforce and Bot the high downforce

Edited by Lowest, 26 April 2019 - 15:20.


#3890 kernel

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:21

Ham the low downforce and Bot the high downforce

 

You sure it's not the other way around? BOT ended up higher on the speed trap, or was that due to a tow?



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:23

You sure it's not the other way around? BOT ended up higher on the speed trap, or was that due to a tow?


It was very clear (visually) when they both passed the Renault at the end of FP2. Was also surprised to see Bot was faster.

Edited by Lowest, 26 April 2019 - 15:26.


#3892 milestone 11

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:23

Ham the low downforce and Bot the high downforce


Yet Bot had better speed trap figures. 13kph in sector 3.

#3893 Marklar

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:28

Didnt Hamilton requested the low downforce one after his first run because the track has enough grip? Certainly he started on high downforce then, did he change to low downforce after his first run though?



#3894 rodlamas

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:30

Yet Bot had better speed trap figures. 13kph in sector 3.

Draft. Makes a huge difference.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:35

Draft. Makes a huge difference.


We know that Leclerc had a tow but even he is 5kph down on Bot. I've no recollection of seeing Bot get much of a tow, if any at all.

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:42

Pretty clear to me:

 

https://www.motorspo...18107/43918107/

 

https://www.motorspo...18106/43918106/



#3897 Paco

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:45

Not a lot can be read, different wings, different tires at different stages and the rack evolution was significant.  It was all data gathering then outright performance, add in all the little offs.

 

I thought Mercedes looked better overall but never hooked it up for a number of reasons..  Ferrari's didn't look great either..

 

As for that RB comment on Mercedes pace :rotfl:  yeah.. when Mercedes doesn't open up the ponies..RB looked again lack luster in the corners.


Edited by Paco, 26 April 2019 - 16:01.


#3898 kernel

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:47

 

Thanks! HAM also running the lower DF front wing.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 16:00

Thanks! HAM also running the lower DF front wing.

 

Some serious sandbagging on the straights then ?



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#3900 Ivanhoe

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 16:05

According to the Dutch commentator Mercedes race pace is on the same level as Red Bull, not Ferrari.


Rick Winkelman, who takes this guy seriously.