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#1 Baddoer

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:58

It's official

https://www.sauberf1...-romeo-racing-2



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#2 MattK9

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:03

Couldn't they have just named it Alfa Romeo Sauber F1. 

 

Such blatant disregard for history of F1 Teams really annoys me.



#3 Slackbladder

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:03

Basically cementing themselves as a Ferrari B-team. Interesting.



#4 pacificquay

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:04

Couldn't they have just named it Alfa Romeo Sauber F1. 

 

Such blatant disregard for history of F1 Teams really annoys me.

 

Indeed, but it's great that Tyrrell have won the last few titles after close battles with Ferrari and Stewart



#5 Jovanotti

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:04

Boo :down: A bloody shame.

Edited by Jovanotti, 01 February 2019 - 10:04.


#6 rootten

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:06

sad day :( 

 

Sauber name gone from Formula 1, decades of racing behind it

 

while Alfa has just handful of seasons to its name



#7 Beri

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:06

25 years of history gone with the exclusion of the Sauber name. Its good to see the Alfa name on the grid, but I cant help feeling sad.

#8 Beri

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:07

Basically cementing themselves as a Ferrari B-team. Interesting.


What will happen with Haas in this matter?

#9 Francesc

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:09

A shame really. All the classic names are dissapearing: Tyrrell, Lotus, Jordan, Minardi, Arrows, now Sauber.

 

Now we got a grid of stupid names like Toro Rosso or Racing Point.



#10 rootten

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:09

What will happen with Haas in this matter?

 

they are a fluke, sooner or later everything will go back to normal



#11 Vesuvius

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:09

This was known to happend.

Looking forward to a strong season, Italian media is reporting that "Sauber" has made a radical and innovative new car, that is not copied from other teams, and it's sidepods/ suspension will be something special.

#12 Thatfastguy

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:09

A sad day for F1 as it loses another piece of history. Sauber made the grid more colourful. Literally.



#13 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:10

But Alfa Romeo has over a century of Grand Prix racing history.



#14 jannyg

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:11

Great to see a car maker going the full nine yards. 

 

All the best to them, need more big name car makers to join.



#15 wj_gibson

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:13

Great to see a car maker going the full nine yards. 

 

All the best to them, need more big name car makers to join.

 

It's just a Fiat B-team, really.



#16 Henri Greuter

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:14

So.....

Alfa achieved what BMW couldn't achieve ....


Think I feel more sad for loosing Sauber (was more than just F1 remember.....) than `gaining` Alfa.
I share the sentiments about resurrecting names of the past which then are `abused` for purposes not doing justice to the company that once used the name and what they stood for. This not only within racing but also the super&hyper car cultus....

#17 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:14

Well it sucks to lose the Sauber name, however this paves the way for a long future for the team in the sport, which can only be a good thing.



#18 Beri

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:16

But Alfa Romeo has over a century of Grand Prix racing history.


But this isnt Alfa. It is not affiliated with Alfa in any other way than by the name Alfa Romeo.

#19 balage06

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:17

But this isnt Alfa. It is not affiliated with Alfa in any other way than by the name Alfa Romeo.

 

The same could be said about Mercedes for example.



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#20 Thatfastguy

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:19

But Alfa Romeo has over a century of Grand Prix racing history.

Only 9 seasons in F1, the last being 1985 if I'm not mistaken?



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:21

Pretty much embodies everything that's wrong with F1. It's not Alfa Romeo - it's Sauber with a Ferrari engine. But they call it Alfa Romeo and the press will write articles about Alfa being back in F1 and nobody will recognise that it's another step away from authenticity towards brand led artifice. 



#22 HP

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:25

:/



#23 Beri

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:28

The same could be said about Mercedes for example.


No. The Mercedes team is tied to their company management. It is part of the Mercedes coorporation. The ex-Sauber team is just an entity on its own (for now). It is basically still Sauber but with Alfa batches on it.

#24 ensign14

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:29

Sauber were dead to me when they took Abramovich's tainted shillings.

 

And even deader when they committed fraud to stay on the grid, driving more worthy teams off it. 



#25 Spillage

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:30

This is a sad day for me. The Sauber brand has more recent F1 pedigree than the Alfa one. I'd rather they'd called it Alfa Romeo Sauber, much as the team was called 'BMW Sauber' when it was bought out by BMW. 

 

At least this secures the long-term future of Sauber in the sport, even if it is as a Ferrari B-team.



#26 Burai

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:31

Pretty much embodies everything that's wrong with F1. It's not Alfa Romeo - it's Sauber with a Ferrari engine. But they call it Alfa Romeo and the press will write articles about Alfa being back in F1 and nobody will recognise that it's another step away from authenticity towards brand led artifice. 

 

Is this where we forget that Sauber nearly went to the wall before they were bought by Longbow?

 

An "authentic" Sauber team is a dead Sauber team.



#27 thegamer23

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:36

But this isnt Alfa. It is not affiliated with Alfa in any other way than by the name Alfa Romeo.


Many Alfa Romeo engineers works in the team now.

#28 balage06

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:44

No. The Mercedes team is tied to their company management. It is part of the Mercedes coorporation. The ex-Sauber team is just an entity on its own (for now). It is basically still Sauber but with Alfa batches on it.

 

Well, yeah, but that's just formality. If they promote some random dude from Alfa to the management, it will be truly Alfa then?


Edited by balage06, 01 February 2019 - 12:59.


#29 proviz

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:44

The very least Alfa Romeo could do to justify the name is to buy the team.



#30 Anja

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:44

Does Ferrari / Fiat actually own any shares of the team?

#31 SebMat

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:47

Anybody knows that about Peter Sauber? Will he drop F1 bussiness ?



#32 Fastcake

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:48

It’s kind of a shame that BMW kept the Sauber name but Alfa Romeo won’t.

As much as I miss an old name disappearing, it doesn’t really matter that much I guess. Peter Sauber has retired and sold his stake in the team a couple of years ago. If this keeps the team healthy and able to compete, it’s a good thing. Teams change names all the time after all.

#33 SenorSjon

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:51

Anybody knows that about Peter Sauber? Will he drop F1 bussiness ?

 

Iirc he was out of it years ago when Monisha took control of the team.



#34 Stephane

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:55

Ferrari started by running Alfa Romeos, will we now have Alfa Romeo running Ferrari cars ?



#35 Beri

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:59

Anybody knows that about Peter Sauber? Will he drop F1 bussiness ?


I believe Sauber was already out. Wasnt he?

#36 noikeee

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:10

Erm, I don't know how to feel about this.
 
In principle it's great to see the Alfa name back. One of the big classical teams, with an history somewhat similar to Mercedes prior to their return, huge success in the 50s, and the odd race win as engine manufacturer in the 70s.
 
But this is just a rebrand isn't it, and they're gonna be just Ferrari's B-team not a true challenger in their own right. Also we lose the Sauber name which by now means a lot to F1 fans after continuous participation in one form or another since 1993.


#37 Baddoer

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:22

 

And even deader when they committed fraud to stay on the grid, driving more worthy teams off it. 

What are those? Lotos/1Malaysia/Caterham/whatever, Stefan Grand Prix? Not quite worthy in my book.



#38 Nonesuch

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:29

But Alfa Romeo has over a century of Grand Prix racing history.

 

A historic name for sure, but the actual years aren't quite adding up to a century. Their intermittent involvements are spread out over a long time.

 


#39 Burai

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:37

I believe Sauber was already out. Wasnt he?

 

Yup. He was in the background when Monisha was team principal, sold the team to Longbow back in 2016.

 

Sauber hasn't truly been Sauber for a long time now.



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#40 Jovanotti

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:39

Yup. He was in the background when Monisha was team principal, sold the team to Longbow back in 2016.

Sauber hasn't truly been Sauber for a long time now.

I don't know really. The core, i.e. factory and people are still very much Sauber, which is what matters in the end.

Edited by Jovanotti, 01 February 2019 - 11:39.


#41 pdac

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:41

Had a strong liking for Sauber (one of my very favourite teams) until Kaltenborn/VdG fiasco and the way Peter Sauber handled it. Couldn't give a monkeys that their gone now.



#42 PiperPa42

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:52

I’m happy to see Alfa in F1 and sad to see the Sauber name go, but the last Sauber iteration was hardly the same Sauber that Schumacher, Frentzen, Heidfeld, Raikkonen and Massa drove for.

#43 baddog

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:53

While it is sad, Sauber was the team of one man and he has long left so its not wrong or a suprise.



#44 absinthedude

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:56

Peter Sauber hasn't been in integral part of the team which bears his name for some years...but that doesn't make it any less Sauber.

 

Bittersweet...I'm glad to see Alfa "back" but I'll definitely miss Sauber. Makes sense having Kimi now, in an Alfa-Romeo.

 

Re name changes....Ross Brawn considered calling his team Tyrrell for the title winning 2009 season. Wouildn't that have been fantastic? 

Racing Point will be announcing a new name soon....rumours are it might be one with F1 history....



#45 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:56

I never really loved the post-BMW Sauber as much as I did the pre-BMW Sauber. Not sure why.

#46 Maxioos

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:07

For team consistency and future seems to be great news too me. Since new owners they seem to get on the right track for sure.



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:14

I never really loved the post-BMW Sauber as much as I did the pre-BMW Sauber. Not sure why.


In 2012 the Perez/Kobayashi pairing was an easy one to root for.

Hadn't BMW dropped the Sauber name by 2008/2009ish?

#48 Kalmake

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:22

I'm not glad to see Alfa back as Fiat B-team.



#49 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:23

In 2012 the Perez/Kobayashi pairing was an easy one to root for.
Hadn't BMW dropped the Sauber name by 2008/2009ish?


That was a cool lineup in 2012 and they did produce some giant killing performances that did put a smile on my face. But it just never felt like the old days.

BMW to their credit never did drop the Sauber name from the team. They just dropped the team.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:24

Even BMW kept the name Sauber.

Edited by FordFiesta, 01 February 2019 - 12:25.