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#101 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 13:41

I get you, and really have no intention to pursue this, but still... it's all over your 2019 car. Just saying.


It’s ferrari business, nothing to do with the performance or details about the actual car.

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#102 FLB

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 13:43

According to Turrini, the new Ferrari 'non è bella':

 

https://www.quotidia...-dei-202-5.5517

 

But, as he reminds eveybody, Enzo Ferrari used to say that the only thing that matters about a racing car is that it wins.



#103 Clatter

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 13:51

It’s ferrari business, nothing to do with the performance or details about the actual car.

And what details are actually available to discuss?

#104 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 14:10

And what details are actually available to discuss?


I’m not saying there’s plenty to discuss, but Ferrari dealings with Marlboro / Mission Winnow isn’t worth clogging the thread up!

#105 thegamer23

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 14:13

Ah, a bad looking Ferrari, not exactly promising, but could be beacause of some aggressive technical solutions.

The last one (2014) was horrible looking and also slow...so, quite conflicted about it. 


Edited by thegamer23, 09 February 2019 - 14:14.


#106 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 14:36

Absolutely none of the cars are pretty. A car with a halo will only ever look ugly.

#107 PedroDiCasttro

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 14:46

Halo, bus-sized cars, grotesque bargeboards and super-sized wings don't make for beautiful cars.



#108 PayasYouRace

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 15:29

Beauty is, as it has always been and always will be, in the eye of the beholder.

#109 Nathan

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 15:53

Apologies to ConsiderandGo, but until the car is released I'd sooner clog a thread than a forum.

 

Australian Gov't looking into this Mission Winnow malarky ahead of opening GP.

 

http://grandprix.com...w-branding.html

 

 

Australian authorities have launched an investigation into Ferrari's new 'Mission Winnow' branding.

The branding is an initiative of the team's title sponsor Philip Morris, maker of Marlboro cigarettes.

The company says the brand promotes smoking alternatives and other initiatives, but some believe it is a clever way to keep Marlboro and the similar logo and colours in the front of F1 fans' minds.

Melbourne's The Age newspaper said an investigation has been launched in Australia ahead of the 2019 season opener in Melbourne next month.

The investigations are being carried out by the federal health department, the Victorian state equivalent, and the Australian Communications and Media Authority.

"It (Mission Winnow) has nothing to do with F1 cars, that's for sure," said Australian anti-smoking campaigner John Cunningham.

Philip Morris said the company "always respects the laws that apply to our activities".

"The campaign does not advertise or promote any branded products."


Edited by Nathan, 09 February 2019 - 15:55.


#110 P123

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 17:41

Apologies to ConsiderandGo, but until the car is released I'd sooner clog a thread than a forum.
 
Australian Gov't looking into this Mission Winnow malarky ahead of opening GP.
 
http://grandprix.com...w-branding.html


It's so bad you'd think Philip Morris (and Ferrari) would be hoping it would be banned and then quietly forgotten about. If they're trying to look like a fag packet the end result seems to be Mission Minnow instead.

#111 Clatter

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 18:07

I’m not saying there’s plenty to discuss, but Ferrari dealings with Marlboro / Mission Winnow isn’t worth clogging the thread up!

 


As there is nothing else to discuss it's not exactly clogging up the thread. Just ignore the posts if you don't like them.

#112 YoungGun

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 19:09

Apologies to ConsiderandGo, but until the car is released I'd sooner clog a thread than a forum.

 

Australian Gov't looking into this Mission Winnow malarky ahead of opening GP.

 

http://grandprix.com...w-branding.html

 

So let me get this straight, Philip Morris is trying to promote a tutti-flavored alternative that is safer than nicotine and that's meeting resistance down under? I think these politicians should join the Australian recreational marijuana users and relax.  :cool:


Edited by YoungGun, 09 February 2019 - 19:09.


#113 Ijsman

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 20:11

Here's the google translate of the Turrini article:

 

The new Ferrari is not beautiful. 

If you do not trust me (and I understand) trust the Old Man, who with rough simplicity said: a racing car is beautiful only when it wins! 
So, let's wait for the victories. 
At the factory the atmosphere is full of hope. 
You will not find anyone, from Camilleri down, passing through Binotto, willing to declare: we are the strongest.
For the obvious reason that no such certainty is possessed by anyone. 
For sure (and it has already been said) the gallery and simulator data are encouraging. 
And let's stop here. 
The structure of the team will have Mekies in the role of rules officer, among other things: in Formula One the gray areas exposed to distinct and distant interpretations are not few. 
Adami will continue to work with Vettel and Jock Clear will be next to Carletto Leclerc. There will be changes to the "track" organization chart but these will not change the arrival orders. 
As for the rest, what do I tell you to do? 
Wait and see ...

Some sentences are a bit weird, but does he say that Jock Clear will be Leclercs engineer or something? 


Edited by Ijsman, 09 February 2019 - 20:11.


#114 Forghieri

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 20:45

Here's the google translate of the Turrini article:

 

Some sentences are a bit weird, but does he say that Jock Clear will be Leclercs engineer or something? 

 

Yes, he does say that.



#115 CL16

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 21:51

Wasn’t Jock moving to Leclercs engineer decided last season?

#116 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 21:59

Wasn’t Jock moving to Leclercs engineer decided last season?


Yes it was.

#117 SCUDmissile

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 22:46

Maybe cars are beautiful when they win, but if a car looks like crap, it usually is as well.

The F2012, F14T were both ugly and look how they turned out. You could add the horrible paint job on the SF16-H.

#118 ixnay

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 04:16

Good old Australia fighting against itself to keep the F1.

#119 AlexPrime

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:10

Maybe cars are beautiful when they win, but if a car looks like crap, it usually is as well.

The F2012, F14T were both ugly and look how they turned out. You could add the horrible paint job on the SF16-H.

True, although some the 312T to be ugly...



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#120 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:20

True, although some the 312T to be ugly...

 

Definitely. The early ones look like a kettle, and the later ones are worse. But then the 1970s was F1's ugliest period.



#121 baddog

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:30

True, although some the 312T to be ugly...

 

Ugly and yet magnificent. If the 2019 Ferrari is ugly and magnificent I shall be thrilled. If it is pretty and magnificent even better of course, but no great car stays ugly in the mind for long.



#122 boillot

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 12:18

Definitely. The early ones look like a kettle, and the later ones are worse. But then the 1970s was F1's ugliest period.

Actually, it's really a matter of taste.
For me the 1970s were the period of most beautiful and very diverse cars.

#123 sabjit

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 14:40

The people on the front page of this thread who thought there was nothing wrong with Vettel's driving in the second half of 2018  :stoned:

 

Pointing backwards 3 times in about 5 or so races is not acceptable. There is no question Vettel will be under huge pressure to rediscover his clinical form from his Red Bull era.



#124 boillot

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 15:32

The people on the front page of this thread who thought there was nothing wrong with Vettel's driving in the second half of 2018 :stoned:

Pointing backwards 3 times in about 5 or so races is not acceptable. There is no question Vettel will be under huge pressure to rediscover his clinical form from his Red Bull era.

Vettel's form is directly proportional to the level of superiority of his car.

#125 MikeV1987

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 16:59

Just paint it Rossa Corsa (darker red) with some Black on the wings pls.

#126 chrisj

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 17:50

Definitely. The early ones look like a kettle, and the later ones are worse. But then the 1970s was F1's ugliest period.

 

Blasphemy!!!!!!

 

Bellissimo decennio -- really diverse looking cars that you could actually tell apart from their silhouette.


Edited by chrisj, 10 February 2019 - 17:52.


#127 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 19:16

Blasphemy!!!!!!

 

Bellissimo decennio -- really diverse looking cars that you could actually tell apart from their silhouette.

 

Aside from my point in post 108 that I was then illustrating, diversity and beauty are two different things.

 

I won't argue that you could tell 70s cars apart from their silhouette. I just think 90 percent of them were hideous.



#128 as65p

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 20:20

Aside from my point in post 108 that I was then illustrating, diversity and beauty are two different things.

 

I won't argue that you could tell 70s cars apart from their silhouette. I just think 90 percent of them were hideous.

Maybe, but among the other 10 percent was the Lotus 79, most beautiful F1 car ever.



#129 sabjit

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 20:21

Vettel's form is directly proportional to the level of superiority of his car.

 

Of the three races he spun, only one of them did he have an inferior car on the day. His teammate won one of them and in the other he was only denied by a masterclass in driver and team strategy in Monza.

I find it odd how people are trying to lump driver errors on the team?

 

Last years Ferrari was a good car so I expect they will have another championship front running car this year too.



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 21:06

Still has the thumb nose. Gross. Wish more teams besides mercedes tried to go with a decent looking nose cone.



#131 Ijsman

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 21:20

Still has the thumb nose. Gross. Wish more teams besides mercedes tried to go with a decent looking nose cone.

How do you know?



#132 boillot

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 00:57

Of the three races he spun, only one of them did he have an inferior car on the day. His teammate won one of them and in the other he was only denied by a masterclass in driver and team strategy in Monza.
I find it odd how people are trying to lump driver errors on the team?

Last years Ferrari was a good car so I expect they will have another championship front running car this year too.

Actually, I was misunderstood.
I wanted to say that Vettel only looks decent when his car is dominant. Otherwise, he’s just an average driver.
Let’s see how dominant this year’s Ferrari will be. Or not dominant.

Edited by boillot, 11 February 2019 - 10:58.


#133 Shade

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 01:58

Please do not let this topic become a Vettel's driving discussion too.



#134 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 20:29

https://thejudge13.c...-over-mercedes/

Probably a load of rubbish, but something at least!!

#135 Paco

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 21:00

So let me get this straight, Philip Morris is trying to promote a tutti-flavored alternative that is safer than nicotine and that's meeting resistance down under? I think these politicians should join the Australian recreational marijuana users and relax. :cool:


Except we now have a generations of kids addicted to vaping.. it’s illegal and rightfully so and trying to circumvent it seems silly. I hope Australia and other countries have the courage call them out on it.

#136 Balnazzard

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 11:40

Wasn’t Jock moving to Leclercs engineer decided last season?

Dont know if it was already confirmed last year, but now its more than just Jock moving to Leclerc's side of the garage, pretty much the everyone formerly from Vettel's side of the garage has been moved support Leclerc:

http://f1i.com/news/...ee-leclerc.html

Vettel's own race engineer Riccardo Adamon will stay with Vettel ofc. But its not really a "big deal" in sense that teams do this every now and then.


Edited by Balnazzard, 12 February 2019 - 11:41.


#137 IceSpeed

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 11:56

https://thejudge13.c...-over-mercedes/

Probably a load of rubbish, but something at least!!


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#138 shonguiz

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 13:55

Jock clear is demoted to being a race enginneer again ? That makes me like Binotto even more.

 

https://thejudge13.c...-over-mercedes/

Probably a load of rubbish.

 It's as usual. FIA couldn't give a rat's ass about how a part has been manufactured.



#139 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 13:56

Jock clear is demoted to being a race enginneer again ? That makes me like Binotto even more.

 

 It's as usual. FIA couldn't give a rat's ass about how a part has been manufactured.

Yeah, it is good news.

 

He was a nightmare on strategies. Shambolic.


Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 12 February 2019 - 13:56.


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#140 Shade

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 18:30

This change was for the better. You just can't have worse decisions/strategies. I'm glad they realised it and acted accordingly. A good first step.



#141 SCUDmissile

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 18:32

It's funny because the rubbish strategies completely correlated with his arrival, from the first race in 2016 where Vettel got done in. They've been horrible ever since.

#142 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 19:49

Jock clear is demoted to being a race enginneer again ? That makes me like Binotto even more.

It was decided a while back that Clear would be Leclercs engineer.

#143 sniper80

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 20:17

I'm so much looking forward to the 2019 Ferrari. Almost everything falls into place this season. Only Alonso should have been in the 2nd Mercedes!



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Posted 13 February 2019 - 12:07

Yeah, it is good news.

He was a nightmare on strategies. Shambolic.


Jock wasn’t responsible for strategies. That responsibility was with inaki rueda

#145 thegamer23

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 18:37

SF90 is the name of the Mercedes beater  :smoking:

90 years of Scuderia Ferrari.

 


Edited by thegamer23, 13 February 2019 - 18:38.


#146 Counterbalance

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 18:39

SF90 is the name of the Mercedes beater :smoking:

90 years of Scuderia Ferrari.


Challenger would be a better word, but let the best team and individual win.

#147 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 18:49

Mods, do your thing.

#148 CL16

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 18:54

SF90 like a cassette tape. NICE!

#149 sniper80

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 22:17

So the new Ferrari will be special... other design than the other top teams, matte dark red livery, and highest output engine. Leclerc will be on fire!



#150 OSX

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:20

Raikkonen: Leclerc Will Thrive If He Avoids Ferrari F1 Team Hassle
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Kimi Raikkonen believes Charles Leclerc can thrive at Ferrari if he does not get distracted by the extra "hassle" that surrounds the Italian Formula 1 outfit. Raikkonen has effectively swapped places with Leclerc, after agreeing a multi-year deal to race for the Alfa Romeo team that has taken Sauber's name for 2019. Speaking to Autosport, Raikkonen said life at Ferrari is much easier for drivers if they do not get involved in some activities at Maranello and instead focus on driving.

 

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