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[Rupertlt1]

Le championnat d'Europe de tourisme, 1958

FIA - 12 qualifying rallies (what were they?)

Messieurs:

1. Andersson, Suède, 32 pts

2. = Hébert-Consten (FR); Riess-Wencher, Germany, 23

4. Harper (GB), 22

5. Bengtsson, Suède, 18

6. Gouldbourn-Turner (GB), 16

7. = Dean (GB); Strahle, Germany, 14

9. Gatsonides, Hollande, 13

10. = Jacobsen, Denmark; Villoresi, Italy, 12

Dames

1. Moss-Wisdom (GB), 19 pts

2. Renée Wagner (Fr), 13

3. Mmes Molander-Lundberg, Suède, 12

4. Annie Soisbault, (Fr), 11

5. = Lise Renaud (Fr), Mrs Mitchell (GB), 10

7. Mado Blanchoud, (Fr), 9

 

Source: Le Nouvelliste, (Switzerland), 19 November 1958.

 

Could he be Bill Deane, navigator?

 

What was the scoring system?

 

See also: https://forums.autos...vers/?p=2590381

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 05 February 2019 - 16:35.

[ReWind]

https://www.ewrc-res...om/season/1958/

[Rupertlt1]

There are only 11 rallies listed in the link in the previous post. Which one is missing?

 

Lyon-Charbonnières?

 

Tour de France?

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 07 February 2019 - 15:19.

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Vltava Rally, Czechoslovakia, 1969, 4th round of ERC, 2,300 km, start/finish Klatovy

1. Gilbert Staepelaere/Andre Aerts (Ford Escort)

2. Harry Källström/Gunnar Häggbom (Lancia Fulvia)

3. Hubacek/Rieger (Renault Gordini)

4. Lampinen/Hertz (Saab V4)

5. Kec/Steuer (Renault Gordini)

Motoring News, Thursday, July 10, 1969.

 

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13th Vltava Rally, Czechoslovakia, 1972, 11th round of ERC, 1,900 km, start/finish Klatovy, 88 starters, 28 finishers

1. Vladimir Hubacek/Rieger (Alpine Renault 1600S)

2. Srnsky/Syrovatko (Skoda 110R)

3. Halada//Kozak (BMW 2002 TI)

4. Bjoresson/Sterner (Opel Ascona)

5. Horsak/Motal (Skoda 120 S)

Motoring News, Thursday, July 20, 1972.

 

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DDR Rally, 1972, 5th round European Drivers Championship,

sponsored by Pneumant, 1785 miles, start/finish East Berlin,

finished 19 June, 122 starters, 55 finished  

1. Sobieslaw Zasada/Andrzej Komorovski, (Porsche)

2. Adam Smorawinski/Andrzej Zembrzuski, (BMW 2002 TI)

3. Peter Hommel/Günter Bork, (Wartburg)

4. Günter Gries/Harald Würfel, (Wartburg)

5. Helmut Piehler/Lothar Sachse (Trabant) 

Motoring News, Thursday, April 6, 1972.

 

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Zlatni Piassatzi Rally, 1972, Bulgaria, 10th round European Drivers Championship?,

finished June 25, 62 starters, 25 finishers

1. Sobieslaw Zasada/Zyszkowski, (Porsche 911 S)

2. Kleint/Berger (Ford Capri RS2600)

3. Palikovic/Terzic (Renault R12 Gordini)

4. Smorawinski/Zembrzuski, (BMW 2002 TI Alpina)

5. Altenheimer/Appel (Porsche 911 S)

6. Bonew/Zlatew (BMW 2002 TI Alpina)

Motoring News, Thursday, July 6, 1972.

 

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[Rupertlt1]

32nd Polish Rally, Rajd Polski, 1972, Poland, 12th round European Drivers Championship,

2600 kms, start/finish Krakow, 107 starters, 30 finishers

1. Rafaele Pinto/Luigi Macaluso (Fiat 124 Spyder)

2. Walter Rohrl/Joachim Berger (Ford Capri RS2600)

3. Stasis Brundza/Anatoly Brum (Moskvich 412)

4. Attila Ferjancz/Jeno Zsembery (Renault R12 Gordini)

5. Peter Hommel/Günter Bork, (Wartburg 353)

6. Robert Mucha/Ryszard Zyszkowski (Polski Fiat 125P)

7. Vitold Sprukt/Andrij Kalnajs (Moskvich 412)

8. M. Stawowiak/J. Czyzyk (Polski Fiat 125P)

9. O. Banck/J. Jensen (Opel Ascona 1.6S)

10. J. Dobrzanski/A. Ryniak (Polski Fiat 125P)

Motoring News, Thursday, August 3, 1972.

 

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Rallye d'Allemagne de L'Est, DDR Rally (Pneumant Rally) 1971

2300 km, 114 starters, 69 finishers, finished in East Berlin 20 March.

1. Sobieslaw Zasada/Jedrychowski, (BMW 2002 ti)

2. Günter Gries/Harald Würfel, (Wartburg 353)

3. Bohne/Wellman, (BMW 2002 ti)

4. Spiro/Brons, (BMW 2002 ti)

5. Mucha/Jarowicz, (Fiat 125)

6. Culmbacher/Ernst (Wartburg 353)

7. Petersen/Glad (BMC Cooper S)

8. Britth/Reppling Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye)

Motoring News, 15 April 1971

 

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1000 Lakes, Jyväskylän Suurajot, 1969

170 starters, 36 Finishers

1. Hannu Mikkola/Anssi Järvi (Ford Escort TC) ETW 881G

2. Simo Lampinen/Klaus Sohlberg (Saab V4)

3. Risto Virtapuro/Martti Tiukkanen (Opel Kadett) 

4. Timo Mäkinen/P. Keskitalo (Saab V4) PA8523

5. R. Einto/H. Haaksiala (VW 1600)

6. P. Kärhä/H. Poutala (Isuzu Bellet)

7. O. Mäkela/E. Nyman (Isuzu Bellet)

8. A. Jaatinen/A. Kivimaa (Saab V4)

9. M. Alen/J. Toivonen (Renault Gordini)

10. H. Lindroos/T. Saartela (Isuzu Bellet)

 

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[Rupertlt1]

Teknisrundan, Sweden, 8 Aug 1970

1. Stig Blömqvist/Bo Reinicke (Saab V4)

2. Ove Eriksson/Hans Johansson (Opel Kadett)

3. Carl Orrenius/Lars Persson (Saab V4)

4. Jan Henriksson/L.-E. Carlström (Opel Kadett)

5. Per Tjerneld/Bo Ottosson (Ford Escort TC)

6. Lars Nyström/Gunnar Nyström (BMW 2002 TI)

 

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[Rupertlt1]

Värmland Runt, Sweden, 1971

155 starters, 110 finishers

1. Stig Blömqvist/Arne Hertz (Saab V4)

2. P. Eklund/R. Carlsson (Saab V4)

3. Ove Eriksson/Hans Johansson (Opel Kadett)

4. Carl Orrenius/Lars Persson (Saab V4)

5. Jan Henriksson/L.-E. Carlström (Opel Kadett)

6. Lars Nyström/Gunnar Nyström (BMW 2002 TI)

7. A. Kulläng/D. Karlsson (Opel Kadett)

8. L. Carlsson/B. Sindberg (Opel Kadett)
9. L. Jonsson/A. Qvist (Saab V4)

10. B. Danielsson/U. Sindberg (Opel Kadett)

Motoring News, Thursday, June 24, 1971.

 

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[Rupertlt1]

12th Vltava Rally, Czechoslovakia, 1971,

1500 miles, 75 starters, 26 finishers

1. Zid/Vylit (Skoda 100)

2. Horsak/Motal (Skoda 110L)

3. Kec/Steuer (Skoda 110L)

4. Sandager/Brons (Ford Escort TC)

5. Jelinek/Krajzar (Skoda 110L)

6. Peter Hommel/Günter Bork, (Wartburg 353)

7. Vitasek/Rondnicky (Skoda 110L)

8. Birth/Reppling (Opel Kadett)

9. Kapras/Hisek (Skoda S100)

10. Delejs/Studnicka (Skoda S110L)

Motoring News, 15 July 1971

 

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[Rupertlt1]

29th Polish Rally, Rajd Polski, 1969, Poland,

1. Sobieslaw Zasada/E. Zasada, (Porsche 911)

2. Gilbert Staepelaere/Andre Aerts (Ford Escort)

3. Harry Källström/Gunnar Häggbom (Lancia Fulvia)

4. R. Nowicki/R.Bien (Renault 1300)

5. W. Poltinger/G. Zwilling (Porsche 911) 

6. K. Simonsen/S. Elm (Opel GT)

Motoring News, Thursday, August 7, 1969.

 

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[Rupertlt1]

Press On Regardless, S.C.C.A. Detroit, Nov 2-5, 1971

1500 miles, 55 starters, 21 finishers

1. Scott Harvey/Tom King (Plymouth Cricket)

2. Jim Walker/Harold Easton (Volvo 122S)

3. Guy Vanier/Gilles Vanier (Datsun 1600)

4. Ernie Dahm/Tom Grimshaw (BMW 2002TI)

Motoring News, 11 Nov 1971

 

Looking at other sources there seems to be widespread confusion as to the finishing order, though all agree that Harvey/King were the winners.

Can anybody help?

 

Update:

Press On Regardless, S.C.C.A. Detroit, 1971

1. Scott Harvey/Tom King (Plymouth Cricket)

2. Guy Vanier/Gilles Vanier (Datsun PL-510)

3. Jim Walker/Harold Easton (Volvo 122S)

4. John Smiskol/Bernie Rekus (Datsun PL-510)

5. Erhard Dahm/Tom Grimshaw (BMW 2002TI)

6. John Smith/Robert Clayton (Renault R-12)

7. Pierre Cayer/Kay Edmond (Datsun PL-510)

8. George Thomason/Lewis Seidman (Datsun PL-510)

9. Jim Willert/James Short/James Short (VW 1500)

10. G. Cameron Bell/Jim Callon (MGB GT)

Canadian Motorsport Bulletin, Dec 1971  

 

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[Rupertlt1]

Press-on-Regardless, 1972

Start Detroit, finish Alma

77 starters, 22 finishers, 76 special stages

1. Gene Henderson/Ken Pogue, Jeep Wagoneer (5900), 122.61m

2. Tom Jones (CDN)/Ralph Beckman, Datsun 240Z (2393), 130.19m

3. Erhard Dahm/Jim Callon, Jeep Wagoneer (5900), 134.18m

4. Dick Switzer/Gail McGuire, Volvo 164 (3000), 151.02m

5. Jim Doidge/Harry Ward, Dodge Colt (1600), 155.39m

6. Walter Boyce(CDN)/Doug Woods (CDN), Toyota Tezik (1588), 156.11m

7. John Smiskol/Bernie Rekus, Datsun 1600 (1595), 160.10m

8. J. Walker/T. Palmer, Volvo 142S (1983), 162.27m

9. M. Blondin/R. Thebault, Datsun 1800 (1800), 179.89m

10. J-D. Legault/R. Poitras, Datsun 1600 (1600), 185.43m

Motoring News, 9 November 1972

 

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Sanremo Rally (formerly the Rally of the Flowers), 1969

86 starters, 26 finishers

1. Harry Källström/Gunnar Häggbom (Lancia Fulvia HF)*

2. Rauno Aaltonen/Henry Liddon (Lancia Fulvia HF)

3. Sergio Barbasio/Mario Mannucci (Lancia Fulvia HF)

4. Luigi Taramazzo/Luigi Pesco (Porsche 911)

5. Jovica Palikovic/Danielle Audetto (Porsche 911)*

6. Arnaldo Cavallari/Dante Salvay (Lancia Fulvia HF)

7. Cristiano Rattazzi/Montezemolo Cordero (Fiat 124 S)*

8. Alberto Smania/Giuseppe Zanchetti (Fiat 125 S)*

9. Luciano Trombotto/Francesco Bossola (Fiat 124 Spider)*

10. Roger Clark/Jim Porter (Ford Escort t/c)

11. Jean-Louis Haxhe/Christian Delferrier (Daf 55)*

12. Claude Laurent/Jacques Marche (Daf 55)

Class winners marked*

Team Prize: HF Squadra Corse Lancia (Källström, Aaltonen, Barbasio)

Motoring News, 13 March 1969 

 

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[Rupertlt1]

Tour de France, 1963, 3,265 miles

#53 Peter Harper/Peter Proctor, works Sunbeam Rapier, reg 7003 VC, DNF

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

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[Rupertlt1]

TANZANIA 1,000 RALLY (680 miles), 1974:

1.— B. Shankland/C. Bates (GB) Peugeot 504, 19 pen pts;

2.— S. Ramtunna/N. Jivan (Tanzania) Datsun 260z, 110

3.— R. Ulyate/I. Smith (GB) Fiat Abarth, 134.

 

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[Rupertlt1]

● Ford of Britain has entered

three Escorts for the Hong Kong

Rally taking place on March 3-5.

Two of the RS models will be

driven by Timo Makinen/Henry

Liddon and Roger Clark/Jim

Porter, the third by local man

Gordon Fleming.

 

Mäkinen in Hong Kong

Visiting European drivers were successful at the week-end in

the Rothmans Hong Kong Rally. Outright winners were Timo

Mäkinen and Henry Liddon in an Escort RS (3,609 penalties)

ahead of Roger Clark and Jim Porter (3,953 penalties) in a

similar car. Both were in ex-RAC Rally cars, bought and en-

tered by Harpers of Hong Kong, the local Ford importers.

Motoring News, 9 March 1972, Page 1.

 

Briton wins

Britain's Brian Culcheth,

in a Morris Marina 1.8 TC

Coupe won the Rothmans

Hong Kong Rally outright.

Birmingham Daily Post, Thursday 8 March 1973 

 

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[Rupertlt1]

Makinen wins

HONG KONG. Mon. Timo Makinen of Finland, one of Europe's top rally drivers, won the second Rothmans Hong Kong Rally over 600 miles with 3,609 penalty points to head a clean sweep of the first three places by team Harper's Ford Escorts RS1600.

The Straits Times, 7 March 1972, Page 20.

 

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[Rupertlt1]

Ronde Cevenole, 5 September 1971

1st.— Bernard Fiorentino (Simca CG) 4h 23m 23.4s

2nd.— Jean-Luc Therier (Renault Alpine 1800) 4h 27m 31.6s

3rd.— Jean-François Piot (Ford Escort RS BDA Group 2) 4h 49m 31.3s

4th.— Jean-Pierre Nicolas (Renault Alpine 1600) 4h 50m 16.2s   

5th.— Bernard Darniche (Renault 12 Gordini Group 6 1.6-litre) 4h 50m 44.1s

Note: no co-drivers

 

Ford took two Ford GT70 cars for Roger Clark, fitted with 2,940 c.c. V6 [Essex] motors.

Started #1 in NVX 70J (?), DNF - pushrods.

 

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[BRG]

Ronde Cevenole, 5 September 1971

1st.— Bernard Fiorentino (Simca CG) 4h 23m 23.4s

2nd.— Jean-Luc Therier (Renault Alpine 1800) 4h 27m 31.6s

3rd.— Jean-François Piot (Ford Escort RS BDA Group 2) 4h 49m 31.3s

4th.— Jean-Pierre Nicolas (Renault Alpine 1600) 4h 50m 16.2s   

5th.— Bernard Darniche (Renault 12 Gordini Group 6 1.6-litre) 4h 50m 44.1s

Note: no co-drivers

 

Ford took two Ford GT70 cars for Roger Clark, fitted with 2,940 c.c. V6 [Essex] motors.

Started #1 in NVX 70J (?), DNF - pushrods.

 

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Correct.  The car was then used in 1972/3 by, I think, Ford France for Guy Chasseuil on a few events, mostly on the driver-only rallies that were peculiar to France at that time.  Simca built the CG, an open top sports car, specially for these events which were clearly quite important in the French market. 

 

The GT70 proved unreliable and quite what Ford were thinking of to build a superlight and low GT car and then saddle it with the hefty old OHV V6 engine instead of fitting the up to the minute & far lighter 16 valve DOHC BDA, which by then would have been all-alloy and fuel injected, we will never know.  Unless someone here can tell us!  Another of Ford's expensive failures along with the F3L, RS1700T and the RS200 (though that wasn't really their fault!)

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[Rupertlt1]

Tour de France 1971

"In the early stages Frank Mazet/Jean Todt were going well in

the Ford GT70, lying second to Larousse in the prototype

category, but the mid-engined Boreham car left the road irretriev-

ably on the fourth test at Le Minier."

Motoring News, 23rd September 1971, Page 1

 

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[Kevan]

Correct.  The car was then used in 1972/3 by, I think, Ford France for Guy Chasseuil on a few events, mostly on the driver-only rallies that were peculiar to France at that time.  Simca built the CG, an open top sports car, specially for these events which were clearly quite important in the French market. 

 

The GT70 proved unreliable and quite what Ford were thinking of to build a superlight and low GT car and then saddle it with the hefty old OHV V6 engine instead of fitting the up to the minute & far lighter 16 valve DOHC BDA, which by then would have been all-alloy and fuel injected, we will never know.  Unless someone here can tell us!  Another of Ford's expensive failures along with the F3L, RS1700T and the RS200 (though that wasn't really their fault!)

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From vague memory, did Ford France eventually realise this and swap the V6 in the Chasseuil car for a BDA towards the end of the programme?

[Rupertlt1]

Tour de France 1971

"The GT70 was a completely new and lighter car entered and serviced by Ford Cologne and driven by Francois Mazet/John Todt."

"Further up the road Mazet clipped a bridge with the GT70 which then spun round into a wall and was badly damaged,"

Motoring News, 7th October 1971, Page 16

 

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[Rupertlt1]

GERMAN RALLY

Full results of the Weisbaden-German

Rally are appended below. Unfor-

tunately, this was the first of the rallies

to be included in the Grand Touring

Car Manufacturers' Championship,

which now really complicates matters.

It appears that Porsche won the 2-litre

and 1,600 c.c. classes, Alfa Romeo the

1,300 c.c. division and Fiat-Abarth the

1-litre class, but no official confirmation

is available.

RESULTS

1. Bohringer/Kaiser (Mercedes-Benz 300SE), 0 route penalties

2. Glemser/Braungart (Mercedes-Benz 220SE), 0 

3. Andersson/Haggbom (Volvo 122S), 0

4. Gerhards/Henneke (Mercedes-Benz 220SE), 0

5. Koob/Wies (D.K.W. F12), 0

6. Kaufmann/Kling (D.K.W. Junior), 2

7. Knoeppel/Knoeppel (B.M.W. 700S), 6.3

8. Kelleners/Bokmann (Fiat 1300), 9.2

9. Brechler/Brechler (Volvo 122S), 18.6

10. Osterberg/Edenring (Volvo 122S), 22.6.

Autosport, 19 July 1963, Page 82

 

Wiesbaden?

 

See also: https://www.racingsp...07-07-4420.html

 

This is complicated - does anybody have a report of this event?

 

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[BRG]

This is a little confusing.  There was a Deutschland Rally in July1963 with the results that you quote.  But there was also the 25th International AvD-Rallye Wiesbaden Deutschland which ran in July 1963 with a different entry list. 

 

The former seems to have counted towards the European Rally Championship Group 2, the latter towards the ERC Group 1.  I am not sure what the distinction was between the two ?   So it sounds like they were run concurrently, although the latter event may have run for an extra day?

[Rupertlt1]

Internat. Rallye von Wiesbaden über 1900 km

Tourenwagen: 1. Böhringer (Dl)

auf Mercedes 543 Gutpunkte. 2. Gelmser (sic)

(Dl) auf Mercedes 231 Punkte. 3.

Andersson (Sd) auf Volvo 208 P. Der

Schweizer Arthur Blank auf Ford-Cortina

wurde Sieger der Klasse 1600 ccm.

Der Bund, Volume 114, Number 285, 8 July 1963 Edition 02

 

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[BRG]

Just a periphal matter, but running at #31 on the ERC group 1 part of this rally was Teddy Pilette, co-driven by Pascal Ickx, father of Jacky in a Abarth-Simca 1300.  They retired for some reason.

 

As they were both Belgian, finding them out on rallies shouldn't have been surprise!  It seems to be natural for Belgians to go rallying the moment they get a driving licence!

[Rupertlt1]

See also: https://forums.autos...-results-1960s/

 

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[nexfast]

Just a periphal matter, but running at #31 on the ERC group 1 part of this rally was Teddy Pilette, co-driven by Pascal Ickx, father of Jacky in a Abarth-Simca 1300.  They retired for some reason.

 

As they were both Belgian, finding them out on rallies shouldn't have been surprise!  It seems to be natural for Belgians to go rallying the moment they get a driving licence!

 

Pascal is Jacky's brother, His father was Jacques, a journalist who was also a competitor.

[BRG]

You're right, I misread the records, Pascal is Jacky's elder brother.  

[Rupertlt1]

TWO OF THE three officially entered

Triumph TR3s won their categories in

the recent 3,200 mile American Inter-

national Rally; one, driven by D. Ke-

nedy and A. Thompson, finished first of

the non-American entries, and Denise

McCluggage and Elinor Halmi won the

ladies' prize. First place in the general

classification went to L. Scott and E.

Sparks, in the Rambler, and J. and D.

Spar finished second in a Thunderbird.

The third TR3 ran out of road during

the first night, and landed in a river.

The crew, W. Cronkite and D. Stewart,

spent five hours getting it back to the

road and straightening things up, finally

calling at a garage to have the oil changed.

The mechanic, however, drained the gear-

box by mistake, and omitted to fill it

again—so the car eventually retired with

gear box bearing failure.

Autocar, 6 November 1959, Page 595

 

Walter Cronkite, CBS commentator, was in car #42. 

 

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