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#101 BCM

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:53

Not a fan. Can't we leave the JPS livery to rest in peace? Every man and his dog has had a chomp at it.

 

How about something new?



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#102 Crazy Canuck

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:56

Boring, unspectacular, devoid of imagination, and difficult to look at.

 

 

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#103 SenorSjon

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:05

I suspect it’s white so it’s actually visible.

If you remember the 2011 Lotus:

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It began life very much a black and gold car but under certain light it was hard to see as it’s not particularly contrasting.

Fast forward we had a black and cream lotus:

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Rich energy must have insisted on chrome gold.

 

If they made the black matte, it could make the gold jump out more to prevent making it yellow later on.



#104 Lennat

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:08

Boooooooring...



#105 Shade

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:10

I don't care much about the livery, but that rear wing looks insane.



#106 Baddoer

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:29

I don't mind black and gold but god that H.A.L.O. thing is ugly



#107 GiorgioF1

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:33

Boring, unspectacular, devoid of imagination, and difficult to look at.

 

 

CC

 

Well at least it will be a quick and easy paint job after crashes.



#108 Rinehart

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:36

 

"Ultimately, we are going to have a better-looking car."

 

:lol:

 

https://www.thesun.c...-red-bull-2019/

I strongly disagree! 



#109 Tomerell

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:42

I actually like the look of the car. It is definitely better than earlier HAAS livery  :up:



#110 Rinehart

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:43

Not a fan. Can't we leave the JPS livery to rest in peace? Every man and his dog has had a chomp at it.

 

How about something new?

RE's colours are Black and Gold too, there are simply not enough colour combinations for every brand in the world to be unique, so that part is forgivable to me, these are their colours. 

What is disappointing is that in this day and age with the opportunity to create imaginative liveries using creative software, all we ever see is a few words plonked on a flat background. 



#111 BCM

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:46

I get what you're saying about it being the colours of Rich Energy. Still meh for me though. 

 

Although I will come clean and admit I'm not much of a fan of the black and gold of the original JPS livery either. The colours don't work for me.



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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:48

Peak VPN I think it is.

 

Peak Anti-Freeze.



#113 Anja

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 13:54

RE's colours are Black and Gold too, there are simply not enough colour combinations for every brand in the world to be unique, so that part is forgivable to me, these are their colours. 

What is disappointing is that in this day and age with the opportunity to create imaginative liveries using creative software, all we ever see is a few words plonked on a flat background. 

 

I thought so too, willing to give them benefit of the doubt. But then...

 

https://www.motorspo...s-look/4334023/



#114 Rinehart

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 14:02

I thought so too, willing to give them benefit of the doubt. But then...

 

https://www.motorspo...s-look/4334023/

 

But again, because their colours are also Black and Gold, "bringing back the JPS livery" is incidental, any livery would be "bringing back the JPS livery" by association and I think that is what the Beard means. Also its worth remembering that the JPS livery was not just one version, they were on the cars for over a decade, there were many interactions with more or less gold. 



#115 midgrid

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 14:04

RE's colours are Black and Gold too, there are simply not enough colour combinations for every brand in the world to be unique, so that part is forgivable to me, these are their colours. 

What is disappointing is that in this day and age with the opportunity to create imaginative liveries using creative software, all we ever see is a few words plonked on a flat background. 

 

It could be worse - the entire car could look like Grosjean's helmet!



#116 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 14:15

It could be worse - the entire car could look like Grosjean's helmet!


A sight NOBODY wants to see. Ever.

#117 David Lightman

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 14:17

So the other drivers need to remember to look out for black and gold cars being driven like they've been stolen by Stevie Wonder then.

#118 Danyy

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 14:57

Well we all saw this livery coming a mile away so I can see why it’s not exactly setting the world on fire. It’s not exactly bold or different it’s just more of the same.

#119 InSearchOfThe

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 14:58

Well. Gene always said that he wouldn't sell anything(advertising) on the side of his car until he had something to sell.

I guess in his mind he now has something of value.

Time will tell with Rich. It looks and feels shady. I don't like the livery. Let the past be the past. Become your own image. 

If the Rich money helps them maintain 5th place with a possibility to fight for 4th I'm behind them 100%.

Something just doesn't feel right though...….



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#120 barrykm

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:16

Well. Gene always said that he wouldn't sell anything(advertising) on the side of his car until he had something to sell.

I guess in his mind he now has something of value.

Time will tell with Rich. It looks and feels shady. I don't like the livery. Let the past be the past. Become your own image. 

If the Rich money helps them maintain 5th place with a possibility to fight for 4th I'm behind them 100%.

Something just doesn't feel right though...….

 

Yes...I'm happy to be proven wrong but my red light is flickering...



#121 midgrid

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:20

Well we all saw this livery coming a mile away so I can see why it’s not exactly setting the world on fire. It’s not exactly bold or different it’s just more of the same.

 

 

Yes, I feel like people would be a lot more impressed if the sponsorship had not been announced in advance, and instead revealed with the livery.  But then we would have missed out on all the off-season fun in the Rich Energy thread...



#122 BRK

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:23

So basically just a 2012-15 Lotus then. 

 

Also, will Rasputin attend any races this year? Would be a sight.



#123 OvDrone

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:24

Whats a deal with deer antlers? :lol:


It's a subtle analogy for Grosjean being caught in the headlights.

#124 Nathan

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:27

Is that the Pikes Peak at the rear wing?

Peak Auto. They make automotive fluids like coolant and diesel exhaust fluid.

#125 jonpollak

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:36

Peak Anti-Freeze.

When you PEAK... You win.

Jp

#126 eibyyz

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:39

Peak Anti-Freeze.

 

And DEF, too.  Getting ready for the 2021 engine regs.  :eek:



#127 w1Y

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:42

So there is only a rendor despite having the car under the veil?

#128 theflyingwheel

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:43

On aircraft you usually put the flag the way it would fly. This makes it reverse on the right side, they could be going for the same here.
Here is Air Force One as an example.
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And Haas has done it previously.
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I loved that Haas implemented this reverse flag design, it is used in the military since the US civil war and when wear it as a patch by soldiers it represents going forward since that is how the flag would look if it was hold by someone running forwards with the stars next to the pole otherwise if it was set in the proper display it would mean cowardly running away from battle.

Same for planes and other military applications and I believe this looks good on an American car, not sure what it means though problably who Kmag or RoGro are going to crash into next 😝

Edited by theflyingwheel, 07 February 2019 - 15:46.


#129 theflyingwheel

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:48

So basically just a 2012-15 Lotus then.

Also, will Rasputin attend any races this year? Would be a sight.



After the press conference he went and discovered Iceland and Greenland.

#130 BuddyHolly

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 16:41

Meh..   failed JPS Lotus clone #42



#131 thegamer23

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 16:55

For sure they could have been a little bit more creative, as much as i like it!  :up: 

You can do more things with Black & Gold, other than a JPS rip off!
 

Look at Techeetah in Formula E, over the course of the years. 

 

 

 

2017 
 

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2018

 

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2019

 

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Also Hinchcliffe

 

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Edited by thegamer23, 07 February 2019 - 16:57.


#132 Scudetto

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 17:10

It's a subtle analogy for Grosjean being caught in the headlights.

:clap: You win the thread.



#133 shonguiz

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 17:18

Talk about ****ing originality, i would ban them for two races just for the boredom they caused me.



#134 CL16

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 18:21

https://www.instagra...id=meiwkx4pt03c

https://www.instagra...id=6df60t9h5rqt

Haas with the best car of 2018, should see them potentially 3rd best team if Honda goes bang weekly.

#135 thegamer23

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 18:30

The DRS advantage is going to be huge this year with that big rear flap opening

Edited by thegamer23, 07 February 2019 - 18:31.


#136 NewMrMe

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 19:06

If the white lettering was gold it would look a lot better. In my opinion the JPS livery was so good because it got the balance of black and gold right. The 2012-13 Fauxtus had too much gold. If this car was just black and gold it might be close to getting it right, but the white just spoils it.



#137 danmills

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 21:02

I really don't get the fan level of that original black and gold lotus. Did people of the time fap or is this a nostalgia thing based on who drove them?

 

Do you picture Senna driving it or others? I think sennas yellow helmet made the value in the nostalgia people have.


Edited by danmills, 07 February 2019 - 21:04.


#138 ensign14

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 21:21

Nice looking car.  But yer man looks uncannily like the bastard offspring of Jean-Pierre van Rossem.



#139 A3

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 21:30

I really don't get the fan level of that original black and gold lotus.


a matter of opinion/taste - definition and synonyms

something that different people have different opinions about

Art is very much a matter of taste.


Edited by A3, 07 February 2019 - 21:32.


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#140 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 21:35

I really don't get the fan level of that original black and gold lotus. Did people of the time fap or is this a nostalgia thing based on who drove them?

 

Do you picture Senna driving it or others? I think sennas yellow helmet made the value in the nostalgia people have.

 

The real original John Player Special was Lotus 1972... Senna drive a re-do 15 years later.

 

We have seen in other threads how some liveries are considered iconic, some of them were actually iconic, some were not.. The Haas now and the Lotus (which should never have been allowed to be called Lotus) are piggy backing on what was, it is not original and it will never become what they are trying to make it.

 

F1 in the old days were grainy TV, and printed articles in magazines, then and there any livery would stand out in a way they just do not do anymore, it is patently not the same scrolling across a computer scree, ipad or phone sompared to days gone by... and to the detriment of what is not compared to then (spoken as the old man I have become).

 

Colors and liveries which worked in the past do not work the way F1 is produced and consumed now.

 

:cool:



#141 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 21:35

This is the original Black and Gold I think...

 

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:cool:



#142 MikeV1987

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 21:59

Looks good but the Peak logo clashes with the rest of the livery.

#143 BalanceUT

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 22:05

Meh, I neither hate nor love the livery. Black is just a very boring colour. I hope Renault uses more yellow than black this year.

Lots of folks didn't notice that the 2018 Renault was yellow with black accents from top and front, but black with yellow accents from the side. It was brilliant that way. 



#144 BalanceUT

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 22:07

Does anyone know if they’re still receiving Ferrari’s blue prints from the previous season or was it just the first couple?

At what point does posts like CL16's become libelous? In the UK? In the US? Asking for a friend. 



#145 BalanceUT

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 22:11

quite like it actually....

Me, too... it's easy for folks to carp about these things. I'd like to see them put a livery on an actual team's car and suffer the slings and arrows of natterers on the internets. 



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Posted 07 February 2019 - 22:24

think it looks great, appeals to me a lot more than their old livery



#147 RacingGreen

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 00:18

I really don't get the fan level of that original black and gold lotus. Did people of the time fap or is this a nostalgia thing based on who drove them?

 

Do you picture Senna driving it or others? I think sennas yellow helmet made the value in the nostalgia people have.

 

From memory I think they did. In part this may have been because the Lotus 72  was in many ways revolutionary as a car, but I've long held the theory that when they changed from the old Gold Leaf colour scheme to the JPS black and gold the world media was still largely in black and white, and the bold/simple JPS livery looks cool in monochrome too.

 

Of course back in the early 70's car sponsorship (other than the odd motoring related sticker for your spark plugs or tyres) was still a relatively new concept so every livery colour combination was new and fresh. It's a lot harder to be original now.  


Edited by RacingGreen, 08 February 2019 - 00:22.


#148 Rob G

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 00:23

I'm firmly in the "meh" camp with this one. Hopefully Renault will add more yellow to their livery this year to set themselves apart.



#149 BalanceUT

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 03:10

I'm firmly in the "meh" camp with this one. Hopefully Renault will add more yellow to their livery this year to set themselves apart.

There was lots of yellow, just depended on how you looked at the car. From the front: Entirely yellow, with some black accents. From the side, entirely black with some yellow accents. From the top, about half and half. An article on it: http://www.f1colours...llow-continues/



#150 BalanceUT

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 04:30

Takeaways from the livery reveal

  1. Gunther Steiner has decided to grow his hair out and it's not a good look, IMO.
  2. The livery is quite nice to my eye. I think the gold is darker than the old JPS or other previous golds.
  3. They couldn't afford to rent enough microphones or had someone show up unexpectedly, because they had 4, but needed 5
  4. Why was Gunther holding two mics when he came out only to hand one to a driver, Storey hand his off to the other driver, then they hand them back. Weird. 
  5. The emcee was hilariously off base thinking a car reveal is done by pulling the cover from back to front when the main camera is at the front. Horrible, because the wadded up cover is then awkwardly in the way of the revealed car. 
  6. It seemed strangely like something that needs never be done again. Nowadays, I think virtual reveals via tweet, instagram, and other media hits market goals as well at a much lower price point. 

Now that's done. Let's go racing!