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[Quickshifter]

Final opportunity for all of us to have a go at predicting how the new cars would stack up in preseason testing. Barring Williams and Force India we have seen all the cars. Also we know the usual disclaimers as to how testing may not give us 100% accurate answer. This is basically a fun exercise relying on our CFD eyes and gut instincts. So let's start.. Shall we

[Beri]

1) Ferrari
2) Mercedes
3) Red Bull
4) McLaren
5) Alfa Romeo
6) Renault
7) Haas
8) Toro Rosso

Excluding Williams and Force Canada in this.

[Quickshifter]

Mercedes
Ferrari
Redbull
McLaren
Renault
Alfa Romeo
Haas
Racing point
Toro Rosso
Williams

[f1rules]

Mercedes
Ferrari 
Redbull 
McLaren 
Renault 
 

[Anuity]

1) Mercedes

2) Ferrari

3) Renault

4) Red Bull

5) Alfa Romeo

6) Haas

7)  Mclaren

8) Toro Rosso

[aray]

But we have seen Racing Point ?!

 

Anyway taking it granted that Honda has it covered in terms of reliability,

 

1.RB

2.Ferrari

3.Merc

4.Mclaren

5.Haas

6.Renault/Alfa Romeo

8.Torro Rosso

9.Racing Point

10. William

[A3]

1) Ferrari
2) Mercedes
3) Red Bull
4) Alfa Romeo
5) McLaren
6) Toro Rosso
7) Renault
8) Haas
9) racing .
10) Williams

Edited by A3, 15 February 2019 - 14:23.

[Vollegas]

1) Red Bull, 2) Ferrari, 3) Mercedes, 4) Alfa Romeo, 5) Renault, 6) Mclaren, 7)Torro Rosso, 8) Haas, 9) Williams, 10) Racing Point. Just a feeling/hope the order is going to be something like this.

[Chmielinski]

Mercedes

Alfa Romeo

Red Bull

Ferrari

Renault

McLaren

Haas

Toro Rosso

What's the Point Racing

Williams

[Jovanotti]

Mercedes - Ferrari
RB
Renault
Alfa - McLaren - Haas
Racing Point
Williams - Toro Rosso

Edited by Jovanotti, 15 February 2019 - 15:20.

[tourister46a]

1. Mercedes

2. Ferrari

3. Red Bull

4. Renault

5. Haas

6. McLaren

7. Alfa Romeo

8. Racing Point

9. Toro Rosso

10. Williams

[Beri]

How on earth can people judge Williams and Force Canada? They haven't even released their respective 2019 cars yet.

[Francesc]

Williams have released some renders, and as a Williams fan it left me worried how the FW42 looks after seeing the whole grid.

[CL16]

1. Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Renault
4. Red Bull
5. McLaren
6. Alfa Romeo
7. Haas
8. Racing Point
9. Williams
10. Toro Rosso

[ANF]

The pecking order = overall fastest lap? Then maybe

Mercedes
Ferrari
Racing Point
Haas
Red Bull
McLaren
Renault
Toro Rosso
Alfa Romeo
Williams

[ConsiderAndGo]

Ferrari tend to go for lap time a bit more than RB and Merc, so if talking overall quickest lap times:

 

1. Ferrari
2. Mercedes
3. Redbull
4. Renault
5. McLaren
6. Alfa Romeo
7. Haas
8. Racing Point
9. Toro Rosso
10. Williams 

[shonguiz]

Ferrari will win.

[Mc_Silver]

1. Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Red Bull
4. McLaren
5. Renault
6. Alfa Romeo
7. Haas
8. Racing Point
9. Toro Rosso
10. Williams

[w1Y]

1. Ferrari
2. Mercedes / Red Bull
4. Haas
5. Renault
6. Torro Rosso
7. Mclaren / Racing Point
9. Alfa
10.Williams

[ExEd]

@testing and testing only

Ferrari 

RB

Merc

Haas

Renault

TR

McLaren/Alpha 

Williams/Racing P.

Edited by ExEd, 15 February 2019 - 15:53.

[SwadF1]

Merc
Rb
Ferrari
Renault
Mclaren
Alfa
Racing point
Torro rosso
Williams
Haas

[GhostR]

Mercedes

Ferrari

 

Renault

Red Bull

 

And for the rest ... for now, I'm expecting it to tighten up a lot and be quite track dependent on which teams float into the points and which teams fade to the back. I think the battle to get out of Q1 this year could really fluctuate this year.

[efuloni]

Mercedes

Ferrari

RedBull

Renault

Alfa Romeo

McLaren

Haas

Racing Point

Williams

Toro Rosso

 

I expect them all to be much closer than in 2018, though. It seems like they are all gettin' their **** together. Alfa, McLaren, Racing Point, Williams, Renault and Haas are all in a better position than last year.

[midgrid]

Williams have released some renders, and as a Williams fan it left me worried how the FW42 looks after seeing the whole grid.

As the team built a complex car they couldn't understand last season, perhaps a relatively simple base is the best first stage of a recovery?

[cheekybru]

Ferrari
Merc
Redbull
Renault
Haas
McLaren
Point
Toro Rosso
Alfa
Williams

[BuddyHolly]

What I'm guessing will be the case:-

 

Top

1) Mercedes

Chasers

2) Ferrari

Mid Pack

3) Renault
4) Red Bull

5) Alfa Romeo
6) Force Stroll
7) Haas

Backmarkers
8) Toro Rosso

9) Williams

10) McLaren
 

What I'd like:-

 

Top

Ferrari - Red Bull - McLaren - Renault

 

Mid pack

Alfa Romeo -  Haas - Williams

 

Backmarkers

Force Stroll - Toro Rosso - Mercedes

[Niceone]

1. Mercedes

-

-

2. Red Bull

-

3. Ferrari

4. Renault

5. Haas

6. Stroll F1

7. Alfa Romeo

8.Toro Rosso
-

9. Williams

-

10. McLaren

[Oblivion]

1. Mercedes

2. McLaren

3. Ferrari

4. Renault

5. Red Bull

6. Haas

7. Racing Poimt

8. Toro Rosso

9. Alfa Romeo

10. Williams

[uraharakisuke]

Ferrari

Mercedes

Red Bull

 

Renault

Alfa

McLaren

Haas

Racing Point

T R

Williams

 

4 to 10 could be in literally any order.

[Mat13]

Mercedes
Ferrari/Red Bull (Leclerc, Gasly, Verstappen, Vettel)
Renault
McLaren (yeah, optimistic I know)
Alfa Romeo (LOVE typing that)
Haas (HAAS, haas, hAAS, hAaS, think that’s covered it)
Force Racing India Point Sportpesa Nigerian Stream
LATE ENTRY (or forgotten) Toro Rosso
Williams (need a Rokit)

List feels short with only nine teams.

Edit: because there are ten teams...

Edited by Mat13, 15 February 2019 - 18:36.

[TF110]

Mercedes

Red Bull/Ferrari

 

Big gap...

 

Sauber/Renault/Haas

McLaren/Force, I mean Racing Point/Toro Rosso/Williams

Edited by TF110, 15 February 2019 - 18:42.

[MirNyet]

Well, there's a couple of very large question marks, namely, Honda and Renault.  Both are claiming large steps, but both had issues last year, so other than Mercedes and Ferrari, a lot of this depends on just how good a job both Honda and Renault did over the winter.  I would imagine that it's safe to assume Haas, RP, and Alfa to go backwards as some of their success last year was due to the under performance of STR and McLaren, both of whom should do much, much better this season.  If Honda has their sums correct, Red Bull could be a monster, if not, then they could end up in the cheap seats like McLaren and STR before them.

 

So, if we assume Honda and Renault have done the biz:

 

Mercedes

Red Bull

Ferrari

Renault/McLaren

STR

Hass/Alfa/RP

Williams

[w1Y]

Someone will have got this horrendously wrong. My bet is alfa

[MirNyet]

Someone will have got this horrendously wrong. My bet is alfa

 

Well, the car looks nothing like the Ferrari, and like it's had all the pies.

[RPM40]

Looks fast / 10

[Ali623]

Tier 1: Ferrari

 

Tier 2: Mercedes

            Red Bull

 

Tier 3: Renault

 

Tier 4: McLaren

            Haas

 

Tier 5: Toro Rosso

            Racing Point

            Alfa

            Williams

 

 

Reasons:

Feel like Ferrari will take yet another step this season, they've been getting closer and closer overall to Merc so I reckon they'll have jumped them at the start of this season.

 

Red Bull and Merc slightly behind, hoping the Honda will be strong. Renault a step above the midfield but still comfortably behind the top 3. McLaren and Haas looking best of the rest after that, Haas should be strong again, with that Ferrari backing.

 

TR, RP, Alfa and Williams will be a step behind, but all fairly equal.

Edited by Ali623, 15 February 2019 - 21:41.

[MirNyet]

Tier 1: Ferrari

 

Tier 2: Mercedes

            Red Bull

 

Tier 3: Renault

 

Tier 4: McLaren

            Haas

 

Tier 5: Toro Rosso

            Racing Point

            Alfa

            Williams

 

 

Reasons:

Feel like Ferrari will take yet another step this season, they've been getting closer and closer overall to Merc so I reckon they'll have jumped them at the start of this season.

 

Red Bull and Merc slightly behind, hoping the Honda will be strong. Renault a step above the midfield but still comfortably behind the top 3. McLaren and Haas looking best of the rest after that, Haas should be strong again, with that Ferrari backing.

 

TR, RP, Alfa and Williams will be a step behind, but all fairly equal.

 

Why do you think Haas has Ferrari backing now that Ferrari has Alfa?

[Rupert]

A prediction for Merlbourne, not the testing

 

Merc

Ferrari

 

RB

 

Haas

Renault

Alfa

Mclaren

Racing P

Toro Rosso

Williams

[Ali623]

Why do you think Haas has Ferrari backing now that Ferrari has Alfa?

 

Maybe used the wrong word there, both Haas and Alfa have Ferrari backing but Haas seems to be closely following Ferraris concept as they did last year, whereas Alfa seem to be doing their own thing.

[Jones Foyer]

CFD? I don't think any team has shown their actual aero package, just new liveries and the monocoque, right?  It's fine to speculate, but to pretend it's some sort of calculated guess based on what's been shown is not quite right.

 

At this point, I simply want Mercedes to be in 4th. Red Bull in 1st or 2nd. Anyone else in 3rd. I truly want some upsets and close racing this year.

 

Also, hoping for McLaren to be dead last for blaming all of their ills on Honda. Last year should be just the beginning of the karmic retribution. Schadenfreude. 

Edited by Jones Foyer, 15 February 2019 - 22:26.

[MirNyet]

Maybe used the wrong word there, both Haas and Alfa have Ferrari backing but Haas seems to be closely following Ferraris concept as they did last year, whereas Alfa seem to be doing their own thing.

 

This years Ferrari is an evolution of last years - as is the Haas, so the helping hand they (perhaps) received for the last car still has an effect on the current one via natural design evolution.  I'd imagine Haas, other than buying Ferrari parts being far more out in the cold now than they were 12 months ago.    

[MirNyet]

CFD? I don't think any team has shown their actual aero package, just new liveries and the monocoque, right?  It's fine to speculate, but to pretend it's some sort of calculated guess based on what's been shown is not quite right.

 

At this point, I simply want Mercedes to be in 4th. Red Bull in 1st or 2nd. Anyone else in 3rd. I truly want some upsets and close racing this year.

 

Also, hoping for McLaren to be dead last for blaming all of their ills on Honda. Last year should be just the beginning of the karmic retribution. Schadenfreude. 

 

What if McLaren just made a mistake on the last car, and the 2 before that were actually good cars?

[krapmeister]

Renault followed by daylight... Danny Ric 2019 WDC 👍

Sorry - my CFD eye didn't have enough processing power to run simulations on the other teams...

Edited by krapmeister, 15 February 2019 - 22:34.

[TomNokoe]

To specially answer "in testing".

Mercedes
Ferrari
Red Bull
Haas
Renault
Alfa Romeo
McLaren
Toro Rosso
Racing Point
Williams

[turssi]

I need comparison pics for this. Side by side championship contenders.

[HeadFirst]

Mercedes

Ferrari

Renault

Red Bull 

Racing Point

Haas

Alfa Romeo

McLaren

Toro Rosso

Williams

[RacingGreen]

Amazed to see so many people are assuming Honda have caught up after 4 years of pathetic under performing. I think we are more likely to see Red Bull struggling in the midfield with poor reliability than challenging at the front and genuine speed.

 

Merc

Ferrari

Alfa

Renault

Racing Point

Red Bull

Haas

McLaren

Toro Rosso

Williams

 

I hope to be wrong.

[TF110]

Amazed to see so many people are assuming Honda have caught up after 4 years of pathetic under performing. I think we are more likely to see Red Bull struggling in the midfield with poor reliability than challenging at the front and genuine speed.

 

Merc

Ferrari

Alfa

Renault

Racing Point

Red Bull

Haas

McLaren

Toro Rosso

Williams

 

I hope to be wrong.

Because Red Bull had the data from Toro Rosso's Honda vs their own data from the Renault. There is no "assumption" from that. The team's words were if they had the Honda unit they would have done just as good if not better in 2018. They would have won the same races etc. And the Honda last year didn't seem that unreliable vs the Renault in their cars.

[MirNyet]

Because Red Bull had the data from Toro Rosso's Honda vs their own data from the Renault. There is no "assumption" from that. The team's words were if they had the Honda unit they would have done just as good if not better in 2018. They would have won the same races etc. And the Honda last year didn't seem that unreliable vs the Renault in their cars.

 

I think Red Bull is playing the long game with Honda.  Also, as the PU is lighter and smaller than the Renault, there are packaging gains available that could offset a little of any lack in the Honda PU across a race.  As long as the Honda PU lasts and isn't miles behind the Renault, it's a net gain for Red Bull.  That's a large 'if' however considering Honda's history in this rule-set.  If Renault has made the gains it's suggesting, Red Bull may have made a massive mistake in jumping when they did - however, if Honda have addressed their shortcomings - then Red Bull will look like stars catching Honda at just the right time.  Either way, going to be interesting.

[Loosenut]

I can't list anything that hasn't already been suggested, except to ask why most believe that the Torro Rosso will be so far behind Redbull?