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#1 Valeo

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 06:24

Testing Starts Tomorrow , 

 

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#2 DN5

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 08:31

Testing Starts Tomorrow ,

 

Not for Williams ..... hope that's not a sign for the season ahead


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#3 restless

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:15

Officially? omg :(



#4 SwadF1

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:42

☹☹ Williams

#5 SwadF1

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:42

☹☹ Williams

#6 Oblivion

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:44

Same ol' sh#t every year for Williams :( Not ready because of lack of money...



#7 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:45

The weather looks fine for the coming week, up to 16C and dry.

#8 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:46

Same ol' sh#t every year for Williams :( Not ready because of lack of money...


Where does it say lack of money?

#9 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:54

Noooo we're supposed to have two threads, one for each test! :cry:

Edited by TomNokoe, 17 February 2019 - 09:54.


#10 Oblivion

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:00

Where does it say lack of money?

 

I am saying lack of money. Because of lack of money.



#11 Marklar

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:08

Usually teams are missing testing days because they failed to pay suppliers on time, so it's not exactly an unreasonable assumption.

#12 NotAPineapple

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:11

Either way, it all comes down to bad management not lack of funds if you want the root cause.

#13 statman

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:12

as usual this will be insufferable because of the 'A is faster than B' posts, in a testing topic..


Edited by statman, 17 February 2019 - 10:13.


#14 w1Y

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:15

as usual this will be insufferable because of the 'A is faster than B' posts, in a testing topic..


Cant wait for the "its only testing" posts despite testing generally giving a reasonable idea.

#15 Mat13

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:34

as usual this will be brilliant because of the 'A is faster than B' posts, in a testing topic..


Fixed.

#16 Laster

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:35

Same ol' sh#t every year for Williams :( Not ready because of lack of money...

I can’t actually recall them missing a test day in the past. Not sure it can be attributed to “same ol’ ****.” It sounds like it’s been tough for a number of teams, Renault were struggling to get everything sorted too.


Edited by Laster, 17 February 2019 - 10:39.


#17 Laster

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:43

Before anyone goes making wild assumptions over every lap, I feel a quick reminder is need for everyone on how last years test times finished, important to note Mclaren were the second fastest team in the test, and Mercedes seventh. While there's much that can be learned, don't go getting too ahead of yourselves. 

 

Ferrari            Sebastian Vettel    Day Seven    Hypersofts    1:17.182

McLaren        Fernando Alonso   Day Eight      Hypersofts    1:17.784

Red Bull         Daniel Ricciardo    Day Six         Hypersofts    1:18.047

Renault          Carlos Sainz         Day Eight       Hypersofts    1:18.092

Haas Kevin    Magnussen           Day Seven     Supersofts    1:18.360

Toro Rosso    Pierre Gasly          Day Seven    Hypersofts     1:18.363

Mercedes      Lewis Hamilton      Day Six         Ultrasofts       1:18.400

Force India    Esteban Ocon       Day Eight      Hypersofts     1:18.967

Sauber          Charles Leclerc     Day Eight      Hypersofts     1:19.118

Williams        Sergey Sirotkin      Day Eight      Softs              1:19.189


Edited by Laster, 17 February 2019 - 10:46.


#18 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:56

Before anyone goes making wild assumptions over every lap, I feel a quick reminder is need for everyone on how last years test times finished, important to note Mclaren were the second fastest team in the test, and Mercedes seventh. While there's much that can be learned, don't go getting too ahead of yourselves.


I think we all fondly remember when Haas dropped a low 1:18 on Super Softs and baffled us all :lol:

#19 Synkro89

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:57

Before anyone goes making wild assumptions over every lap, I feel a quick reminder is need for everyone on how last years test times finished, important to note Mclaren were the second fastest team in the test, and Mercedes seventh. While there's much that can be learned, don't go getting too ahead of yourselves.

 

Ferrari            Sebastian Vettel    Day Seven    Hypersofts    1:17.182

McLaren        Fernando Alonso   Day Eight      Hypersofts    1:17.784

Red Bull         Daniel Ricciardo    Day Six         Hypersofts    1:18.047

Renault          Carlos Sainz         Day Eight       Hypersofts    1:18.092

Haas Kevin    Magnussen           Day Seven     Supersofts    1:18.360

Toro Rosso    Pierre Gasly          Day Seven    Hypersofts     1:18.363

Mercedes      Lewis Hamilton      Day Six         Ultrasofts       1:18.400

Force India    Esteban Ocon       Day Eight      Hypersofts     1:18.967

Sauber          Charles Leclerc     Day Eight      Hypersofts     1:19.118

Williams        Sergey Sirotkin      Day Eight      Softs              1:19.189

Hmm Its gonna happen its inevitable in this place. Then you will have Sky pushing certain narratives that makes it worse. I really don't understand the hype for testing but each to there own  :up:



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#20 w1Y

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:58

didnt it snow last year though

#21 noikeee

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:15

Before anyone goes making wild assumptions over every lap, I feel a quick reminder is need for everyone on how last years test times finished, important to note Mclaren were the second fastest team in the test, and Mercedes seventh. While there's much that can be learned, don't go getting too ahead of yourselves.

Ferrari Sebastian Vettel Day Seven Hypersofts 1:17.182
McLaren Fernando Alonso Day Eight Hypersofts 1:17.784
Red Bull Daniel Ricciardo Day Six Hypersofts 1:18.047
Renault Carlos Sainz Day Eight Hypersofts 1:18.092
Haas Kevin Magnussen Day Seven Supersofts 1:18.360
Toro Rosso Pierre Gasly Day Seven Hypersofts 1:18.363
Mercedes Lewis Hamilton Day Six Ultrasofts 1:18.400
Force India Esteban Ocon Day Eight Hypersofts 1:18.967
Sauber Charles Leclerc Day Eight Hypersofts 1:19.118
Williams Sergey Sirotkin Day Eight Softs 1:19.189


Ah, the good old lecturing about how testing doesn't matter because fastest laptimes of the day are all over the place; conveniently ignoring that we get a shitload more information than that through stint times, tyre information, trackside observations, that all put together tend to correlate pretty damn strongly with the pecking order. After testing last year everyone knew Mercedes and Ferrari were ahead, and nobody even remotely thought McLaren had one of the two quickest cars.

#22 TheGoldenStoffel

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:16

Before anyone goes making wild assumptions over every lap, I feel a quick reminder is need for everyone on how last years test times finished, important to note Mclaren were the second fastest team in the test, and Mercedes seventh. While there's much that can be learned, don't go getting too ahead of yourselves. 

 

Ferrari            Sebastian Vettel    Day Seven    Hypersofts    1:17.182

McLaren        Fernando Alonso   Day Eight      Hypersofts    1:17.784

Red Bull         Daniel Ricciardo    Day Six         Hypersofts    1:18.047

Renault          Carlos Sainz         Day Eight       Hypersofts    1:18.092

Haas Kevin    Magnussen           Day Seven     Supersofts    1:18.360

Toro Rosso    Pierre Gasly          Day Seven    Hypersofts     1:18.363

Mercedes      Lewis Hamilton      Day Six         Ultrasofts       1:18.400

Force India    Esteban Ocon       Day Eight      Hypersofts     1:18.967

Sauber          Charles Leclerc     Day Eight      Hypersofts     1:19.118

Williams        Sergey Sirotkin      Day Eight      Softs              1:19.189

 

If you take the anomalies out, McLaren and Mercedes, it was quite representative for the first few races though. You can get quite a reasonable impression of where everybody stand from testing but you have to take a broader look at all the laptimes during the week, not just their one fastest lap.



#23 JonnyJ

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:19

One lap times are largely irrelevant. Tends to get interesting when the long runs start. Whilst you'll never get a proper clear picture of the competitive order you do usually find out if anyone is in major trouble or massively strong.

#24 Francesc

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:36

Will FOM  be offering a proper live timing?



#25 Ali623

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:38

Before anyone goes making wild assumptions over every lap, I feel a quick reminder is need for everyone on how last years test times finished, important to note Mclaren were the second fastest team in the test, and Mercedes seventh. While there's much that can be learned, don't go getting too ahead of yourselves.

Ferrari Sebastian Vettel Day Seven Hypersofts 1:17.182
McLaren Fernando Alonso Day Eight Hypersofts 1:17.784
Red Bull Daniel Ricciardo Day Six Hypersofts 1:18.047
Renault Carlos Sainz Day Eight Hypersofts 1:18.092
Haas Kevin Magnussen Day Seven Supersofts 1:18.360
Toro Rosso Pierre Gasly Day Seven Hypersofts 1:18.363
Mercedes Lewis Hamilton Day Six Ultrasofts 1:18.400
Force India Esteban Ocon Day Eight Hypersofts 1:18.967
Sauber Charles Leclerc Day Eight Hypersofts 1:19.118
Williams Sergey Sirotkin Day Eight Softs 1:19.189


Bear in mind the conditions for testing last year were not representative, it snowed for a few days too.

But if you remove Alonso’s lap, it was fairly similar to the order at the start of the season. (Apart from Mercedes too obviously, but it was clear at the time they weren’t doing any fast laps)

The long run pace is always the best gauge for the order in testing. Last pre-season saw Mercedes ahead of Ferrari and Red Bull with the midfield well behind. And that’s basically what we got in Melbourne

#26 apoka

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:52

What delta between 2019 and 2018 lap times do you expect?

#27 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 12:01

Apparently, Ferrari seems to think the laptimes will be 1,5 seconds slower compared to 2018 because of the new front wing regulations.

#28 Shade

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 12:10

Apparently, Ferrari seems to think the laptimes will be 1,5 seconds slower compared to 2018 because of the new front wing regulations.

Not really, I think the meaning got lost in translation. They said that their 2019 car was 1.5sec slower than their 2018 one, BEFORE trying to recover the lost downforce.



#29 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 12:23

Exactly. In the end, probably they will end up being just a touch slower than last year.

#30 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 12:27

Can a moderator please edit the title to say "pre" season?!

#31 MortenF1

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 13:28

Before anyone goes making wild assumptions over every lap, I feel a quick reminder is need for everyone on how last years test times finished, important to note Mclaren were the second fastest team in the test, and Mercedes seventh. While there's much that can be learned, don't go getting too ahead of yourselves.

Ferrari Sebastian Vettel Day Seven Hypersofts 1:17.182
McLaren Fernando Alonso Day Eight Hypersofts 1:17.784
Red Bull Daniel Ricciardo Day Six Hypersofts 1:18.047
Renault Carlos Sainz Day Eight Hypersofts 1:18.092
Haas Kevin Magnussen Day Seven Supersofts 1:18.360
Toro Rosso Pierre Gasly Day Seven Hypersofts 1:18.363
Mercedes Lewis Hamilton Day Six Ultrasofts 1:18.400
Force India Esteban Ocon Day Eight Hypersofts 1:18.967
Sauber Charles Leclerc Day Eight Hypersofts 1:19.118
Williams Sergey Sirotkin Day Eight Softs 1:19.189


A good reminder, but one should also keep in mind that at the beginning of the season, McLaren were somewhat competitive. Not to the tune of second quickest of course, but still.
Being among the two, three fastest in testing has never meant you’ll be there come the actual GP-weekends, but being consistently slowest.... my impression is that is a stronger pointer than the opposite.

#32 rodlamas

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 13:52

I guess Williams will barely run this week... The one-day delay will become a two, then three then the team will call the Thursday shakedown a success.

#33 D.M.N.

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 14:09

Ah, the good old lecturing about how testing doesn't matter because fastest laptimes of the day are all over the place; conveniently ignoring that we get a shitload more information than that through stint times, tyre information, trackside observations, that all put together tend to correlate pretty damn strongly with the pecking order. After testing last year everyone knew Mercedes and Ferrari were ahead, and nobody even remotely thought McLaren had one of the two quickest cars.


Besides, FOM are airing the first test live this year, so we'll be able to see every little mistake or lary moment, even on long runs should be able to easily decipher which cars look good to drive and which are a handful.

#34 SCUDmissile

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 14:25

Testing, like opinion polls before an election, can tell us many things, if we interpret them properly.

But unfortunately the folks that don't interpret them properly are the loudest about how useless the information is, permeating this falsehood that polls/testing is no indication of anything.

#35 MortenF1

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 16:14

Eh, McLaren weren't awful at the start of the year.

Fuel and tyre adjusted, the fastest times don't paint the worst picture.

Jesus. That’s what I’m saying.
And I’ve always made a point of saying end of day testing-times tells you nothing or very little.

#36 Nonesuch

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 16:15

While there's much that can be learned, don't go getting too ahead of yourselves. 

 

#7 Mercedes      Lewis Hamilton      Day Six         Ultrasofts       1:18.400

 

Hard to believe some are still trying to downplay Hamilton's achievements by suggesting the Mercedes wasn't the 7th fastest car in 2018.

 

 ;)


 

 


#37 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 16:22

Jesus. That’s what I’m saying.
And I’ve always made a point of saying end of day testing-times tells you nothing or very little.

Ah sorry!! I was supposed to quote the post that you yourself quoted :lol:

Wholeheartedly agree!!

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#38 Marklar

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 18:42

No sector live timing during the test it seems.

https://twitter.com/...9317962752?s=19

#39 SCUDmissile

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 18:44

Bets on when the first 'ominous' is trotted out? I'll say 12:00

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#40 Jordan44

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 18:51

Bets on when the first 'ominous' is trotted out? I'll say 12:00

 

Pretty sure I did better than 12 last season  :p



#41 CPR

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 19:09

No sector live timing during the test it seems.

https://twitter.com/...9317962752?s=19

 

Pathetic from F1!

 

It's 2019! Wake up!



#42 Francesc

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 19:14

No sector live timing during the test it seems.

https://twitter.com/...9317962752?s=19

 

What a bunch of amateurs. :mad:



#43 Quickshifter

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 19:23

This year because of regulation changes the development rate will be high. Pretty much every team has acknowledged that. It will be a development race right through from first preseason test to mid season break at least.

Edited by Quickshifter, 17 February 2019 - 20:55.


#44 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 19:44

What’s the etiquette with starting the teammate vs threads? I know some folk get awfully passionate and upset if the timing of such things isnt respected 😂😂

#45 lorca

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 20:15

No sector live timing during the test it seems.

https://twitter.com/...9317962752?s=19

MotoGP has live timing for official test same as for race weekend, and half hour after the session you have results in details/analysis like this http://resources.mot...ion=1549620533



#46 Loosenut

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 20:21

Anyone know why the grooved tyres?

 

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#47 Mercstar

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 20:23

Here we go again, looking forward to it....



#48 Ivanhoe

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 20:29

Anyone know why the grooved tyres?


They’re full wets

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#49 Requiem84

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 20:37

What’s the etiquette with starting the teammate vs threads? I know some folk get awfully passionate and upset if the timing of such things isnt respected 😂😂


Start of FP1 in Australia..

#50 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 20:39

Man, I love testing.

No work to be competed this week 👍