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Ted Kravitz Fired? [Update: Ted Kravitz not fired]


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#101 pablo_a

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 01:44

Can totally see why they would let him go - as others have said, seemed to lack a real sense of technical understanding, was sometimes overly disposed to humour and some might say churlishly contrary  and had moments of Hamilton fan boyism. 


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#102 AustinF1

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 02:05

He probably wouldn’t get the pass...

He would if he ends up with F1TV, and if Joe Saward can continue to get passes, then I see zero reason why Ted shouldn't.



#103 AustinF1

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 02:13

While is sucks that Ted was let go without a send off I appreciate that Sky seem to at least be trying to change up their tired commentary team by bringing in fresh faces like Karun Chandhok and Jenson Button.

Another year of the same style of Sky F1 commentary that we’ve had for a decade now would have bored me to tears.

Yeah I like Karun ok, but he's soooo dry. His mom follows me on twitter, so there's that lol. She got all the funny and didn't pass any on to Karun. I'll miss Ted as much for his wacky humor as for his insights that nobody else brings, but then again, maybe he'll end up on youtube or F1TV or something.



#104 AustinF1

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 02:15

Can totally see why they would let him go - as others have said, seemed to lack a real sense of technical understanding, was sometimes overly disposed to humour and some might say churlishly contrary  and had moments of Hamilton fan boyism. 

You just described practically every F1 presenter I've ever seen, even on NBC, Fox, and Speed here in the U.S.

 

As for the supposed 'lack of technical understanding', I didn't see that in Ted at all.


Edited by AustinF1, 25 February 2019 - 02:16.


#105 Garndell

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 03:03

While is sucks that Ted was let go without a send off I appreciate that Sky seem to at least be trying to change up their tired commentary team by bringing in fresh faces like Karun Chandhok and Jenson Button.

Another year of the same style of Sky F1 commentary that we’ve had for a decade now would have bored me to tears.

 

Yet they keep Herbert & Croft... keeping your 2 weakest presenters while getting rid of a good one (good, not great) is pretty bad personnel management if you ask me.  Change can be good, bad or neutral, this one is just bad.  I do look forward to sampling Jenson and Karun's contributions but still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.



#106 septerra

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 03:10

I don't understand what technical understanding he lacked that affected him presenting his bit on TV?

 

Technical stuff belong in articles or dedicated specialised videos anyway.

 

Brundle and Ted are the reason why I watch a low quality sub 360p pirated stream online, when I could watch full HD free legal stream, but with local commentators. 



#107 teejay

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 03:47

Will be missed - the fact he wasn't in high dollar designer clothes and trotted around with a notepad added a degree of humility to it all. 



#108 RacingGreen

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 03:58

Be good if he can start a youtube channem and his own podcast. We need some more decent f1 podcasts

 

You are rather assuming he could get media accreditation which would be far from a given.



#109 HP

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 03:59

Yet they keep Herbert & Croft... keeping your 2 weakest presenters while getting rid of a good one (good, not great) is pretty bad personnel management if you ask me.  Change can be good, bad or neutral, this one is just bad.  I do look forward to sampling Jenson and Karun's contributions but still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

If you are correct with the term weakest presenters, and you mean they are easier to manage, then I totally get.



#110 Dratini

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 05:32

I'd never wish anyone to get the sack but as far as I'm concerned Crofty is far more suited to his commentary on the darts. His endless waffling on about non F1 related matters whilst missing key moments and laughing at his own attempts at humour are incredibly tiresome when you're paying good money for the coverage.

If I were drunk I'd have thought I'd written this myself. My sentiments exactly. :up:



#111 Dratini

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 05:33

Can totally see why they would let him go - as others have said, seemed to lack a real sense of technical understanding, was sometimes overly disposed to humour and some might say churlishly contrary  and had moments of Hamilton fan boyism. 

You're having a laugh..



#112 Jordan44

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 09:15

Any moments of "Hamilton fanboyism" by Ted were probably put forward by his producers. Him and his family are long term Ferrari supporters.

#113 Marklar

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 09:17

Also: if anything his love for Kimi was way more obvious.

#114 P123

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 09:21

Any moments of "Hamilton fanboyism" by Ted were probably put forward by his producers. Him and his family are long term Ferrari supporters.


It's a common slur used against media personnel that folks don't like. As in 'how could he ever say anything positive about that guy I can't stand who wins a lot'. I suspect Kravitz could be accused of 'fanboyism' towards any number of drivers. His enthusiasm is part of his appeal. To single out Hamilton as the apparent object of his affections is odd, given he used to get giddy with excitement whenever Nico beat Hamilton ("Nico's back!") and used to be there waiting for the Thursday paddock interviews to quiz Hamilton on his 'lifestyle'.

#115 TheOne

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 09:59

Always liked Ted, so it's a shame if he goes.

 

Has anyone ever noticed the friction between him and Crofty? Especially during practice sessions.

 

Wish Sky would sack Crofty off, he's unbelievably incompetent. I bet Brundle winces sometimes in those commentary boxes.



#116 kosmos

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 10:00

Any moments of "Hamilton fanboyism" by Ted were probably put forward by his producers. Him and his family are long term Ferrari supporters.

 

 

Isn't this the sign of someone that is easy to manage?.



#117 Owen

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 10:07

Any moments of "Hamilton fanboyism" by Ted were probably put forward by his producers. Him and his family are long term Ferrari supporters.

I always thought he had a thing for McLaren. His frustration with the team last year was an example of that, to my mind.



#118 Jordan44

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 10:25

Isn't this the sign of someone that is easy to manage?.


Well, there was something lingering on social nedia last year saying Rosberg was told not to say positive things about Vettel by his Sky producers. It's just part of their job to push forward whatever agenda they are being set

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 10:44

Well, there was something lingering on social nedia last year saying Rosberg was told not to say positive things about Vettel by his Sky producers.

 

Surprised someone would need to be told that.  :p
 



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#120 P123

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 10:55

Well, there was something lingering on social nedia last year saying Rosberg was told not to say positive things about Vettel by his Sky producers. It's just part of their job to push forward whatever agenda they are being set


Sky definitely do seem to have an editorial narrative which the beat us over the head with... but the F1 media, including Sky, were soft on Vettel so at a guess that rumour would have been more of an accusation from the Vettel online faithful smarting at his poor season. Probably helps that Arrivabene was the medias target. Rosberg still trod the old PR line; can't recall him saying anything notable that would be deemed overly positive or negative about anybody.

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 11:04

If it's true, it will be a big loss. The racing notebooks were quite often the most interesting part of the race weekend. Frankly losing him and keeping the Croft/Herbet muppet show is a serious mistake. Ok he wasn't a great technical expert - but that's not what you are going to get on Sky, but it does leave a hole in the coverage which is going to be filled with more mindless drivel from 'it's all about me Crofty'. 

 

I think I might give f1tv a try instead.



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Posted 25 February 2019 - 12:12

The loss of Ant Davidson is greater, why is nobody saying anything about that.



#123 w1Y

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 12:44

The loss of Ant Davidson is greater, why is nobody saying anything about that.


I think because he wasnt there every weekend. Ant was great

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 12:46

Ted and Ant's biggest problem is that they didn't win the 1995 British Grand Prix don't you know? 



#125 pdac

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 12:54

Yet they keep Herbert & Croft... keeping your 2 weakest presenters while getting rid of a good one (good, not great) is pretty bad personnel management if you ask me.  Change can be good, bad or neutral, this one is just bad.  I do look forward to sampling Jenson and Karun's contributions but still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

 

It depends on what your criteria are for measuring how good a presenter is. I think most on this forum have an opinion aboute that, but it may be totally out of line with the criteria that Sky consider. Remember, we're F1 and motorsport fans. At Sky they are just TV people - I would not be surprised to hear that the people with power, who make these decisions, have no personal interest or liking for F1 or motorsport.



#126 kar

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 12:59

I like Ted.

 

I will be sad if he's not there any more.



#127 AustinF1

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 12:59

I always thought he had a thing for McLaren. His frustration with the team last year was an example of that, to my mind.

He definitely seems to like Alonso quite a bit, but that could be independent of his admiration of McLaren.



#128 AustinF1

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 13:00

Ted and Ant's biggest problem is that they didn't win the 1995 British Grand Prix don't you know? 

LOL! Yep ...



#129 TomNokoe

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 13:03

Surprised there's no official statement, yet.

Leads me to believe he'll be in Melbourne.



#130 Spillage

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 13:27

Ted and Ant's biggest problem is that they didn't win the 1995 British Grand Prix don't you know?

It was such a lucky win as well - he needed Hill to take out Schumacher and Coulthard to be penalised to win it. Yet remarkably his other two wins were even luckier!

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 13:34

I always thought he had a thing for McLaren. His frustration with the team last year was an example of that, to my mind.

 

That's the problem - anyone who is objective will be seen by those who are not as a "fanboy" - of somebody they like, if they are liked or of somebody they don't like, if they are not liked.



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Posted 25 February 2019 - 13:36

Surprised there's no official statement, yet.

Leads me to believe he'll be in Melbourne.

 

I doubt they will announce that someone has left. They will just announce there "new team".



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Posted 25 February 2019 - 13:57

It was such a lucky win as well - he needed Hill to take out Schumacher and Coulthard to be penalised to win it. Yet remarkably his other two wins were even luckier!

 

Yeah, although to be fair, even taking his 1988 Brands Hatch misfortune out of it, he seemed to spend half of his F1 career in the company of Jonathan Palmer or Louise Goodman being interviewed after yet another retirement. It was almost as if all of that bad luck was distilled right down and evened out in those three races alone.



#134 Radion

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 14:09

Damn, F1 should first get rid of Kai Ebel before losing someone like Ted!!

#135 Clatter

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 15:01

Surprised there's no official statement, yet.

Leads me to believe he'll be in Melbourne.

There is no mention of him as part of the team on their website, so it's looking unlikely he will be there.

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 15:09

The loss of Ant Davidson is greater, why is nobody saying anything about that.

I have always thought that Davidson's weakness as a commentator is that he finds it so difficult to compliment the driving of others.

He is the first to find fault and remark that something was less than perfect. His tone and choices of words consistently imply resentment that (in his opinion) he was not given a fair chance in F1, and he would not have made the mistakes that current drivers occasionally make.



#137 ExFlagMan

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 15:16

Here's me wondering just how long it will take this thread to get round to accusing Kravitz of being a huge fan-boy of each one of the teams on the grid - or whether the complete set will be reached of him being anti every team first.

 

If he was to manage to get both 'complete sets' it would imply that he was the ideal person for the job he has been doing.



#138 Retrofly

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 15:16

Good riddance to ted, his notebooks were nothing special, anyone can be put into the same shoes and do a better job IMO, just reel off a load of facts, job done.

 

I never really noticed him during the races, did he really do anything apart from shout things over the sounds of engines from pit-lane? Anyway, you can chuck anyone else in is shoes and they'll be able to do the same/better job.



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Posted 25 February 2019 - 15:34

Ted is an absolute GEM of an enthusiast. With his childlike enthusiasm and deep technical intellect and great sense of humor. Letting him go is a collossal mistake. I signed the petition and I advise you to do the same.


Edited by Gold, 25 February 2019 - 15:34.


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#140 Marklar

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 15:51

Apparently Ted was supposed to be axed, but now he will stay https://motorsportbr...formula-1-team/

 

 

Industry sources have indicated to this site for some time that Kravitz’s Sky future was in doubt. Motorsport Broadcasting can now confirm the reports that circulated over the weekend that Young initially opted not to renew Kravitz’s contract for the 2019 season.

However, this site can exclusively confirm that the decision to axe Kravitz was overturned from within, with discussions between Sky and Kravitz ongoing regarding his ‘return’ in recent weeks.

The u-turn from Sky is not a result of any social media storm that unfolded over the weekend, the wheels for his return were in motion far before the leak. This writer chose not to write about the subject of Kravitz’s potential exit given that negotiations were ongoing between both parties, and any decision to publish an article could jeopardise those.

Elsewhere, Sky have confirmed that Anthony Davidson will remain part of their line-up despite Sky omitting him from their press release last Friday. Expect a similar number of races for Davidson compared to previous years.


Edited by Marklar, 25 February 2019 - 15:52.


#141 TomNokoe

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 15:56

Not due to social media backlash? Yeah right!

#142 JavierDeVivre

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 15:59

Ted to remain afterall. Although the fact he was axed over others calls into question the decisions and direction the new boss wants to take Sky Sports F1 in.

Edited by JavierDeVivre, 25 February 2019 - 16:02.


#143 Rinehart

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 16:01

Not due to social media backlash? Yeah right!

 

Can't beleive he's staying - grrrr!!!! 



#144 Drummingcat

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 16:03

Lololololol!!!

 

I was planning on cancelling Sky this weekend, I am cancelling anyway, but I was just going to tell them it was in protest of the Kravitz treatment!!! Have to think of something else now, owned by Murdoch?? Yes that will do.



#145 AustinF1

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 16:07

Reliable site? 



#146 Marklar

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 16:09

Reliable site? 

Yes,

also Sky confirmed it now as well if you look on their line-up here

https://www.skysport...-formula-1-2019

 



#147 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 16:10

Whoop!



#148 CSF

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 16:11

So erm, similar pressure on Crofty and 95 British GP winner then? 



#149 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 16:14

I'd love to see their justification for retaining Croft. It would be such a laugh of a read.

 

Ben Edwards would be half the cost whilst attaining a far superior commentator.


Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 25 February 2019 - 16:14.


#150 MirNyet

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 16:16

Pleased to see he's still there - along with Brundle, he's the only good thing about the Sky Team.