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#51 Silberpfeil

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 19:47

Rosenqvist has himself gone on record explaining how he became a Mercedes protege after his first Macau race and was subsequently placed with Mucke by Mercedes. Hardly a middling team! He also participated in those end of season Merc DTM tests on more than one occasion, but never showed enough to become the chosen one for one of their teams in the series. Every time someone else - younger and less experienced - got the nod. That must mean something.
Actually, it seems that he was first seen as a real asset by Mahindra, who apparently became very eager to secure him on a longterm deal.
I agree his start in Indycar is looking good, but having to spend five years in F3 (counting the German series) means he definitely was not hot property in the eyes of teams in senior formulae.


Rosenqvist‘s career path is one of the most intriguing ones im motorsport over the last decade.

I must‘ve completely missed that part about Mercedes. I can remember him testing the car on multiple occasions, but I never knew (or completely forgot) that he was an official Mercedes driver. However, I can still understand why they initially chose Ocon over him in 2016. He was already embedded in the team and "hot property" after his consecutive F3 & GP3 championships.

With regard to my "middling" comment, that’s no disrespect to Mücke at all (at least not for that particular time period). However, I would argue that 5th and 4th in the final two years of the EuroSeries with very solid, but not exactly all-time great competition can count as "middling" in hindsight, especially considering how Rosenqvist developed afterwards. And after the wretched 2014, his switch to Prema was the best that could‘ve happened to him.

Interestingly, though, his fortunes with Mercedes seemed to have turned around to such a degree during his 2016 season that they were very eager to work with him again in 2017. So Mahindra came along at just the right moment and snapped him up. Toto‘s loss, Dilbagh‘s gain.

Finally, I checked and if my maths is right, Rosenqvist actually spent six full years in F3 machinery! That stat in particular is kind of amazing considering how many cars he drove competitively in half that time afterwards.

All in all, I‘m still super chuffed to see him in IndyCar, and can‘t wait to see what he‘ll do next. I think the Americans were duly impressed as well, even though he didn‘t quite reach Wickensian levels of dominance in St. Pete (with the excuse of a blocked nerve, tbh).

And now, simply to end my rambling and justify this post being in the IndyCar season thread, here‘s an interesting report about the recent development of F1 drivers making off to IndyCar from the NY Times that I don‘t think has been posted before:

https://www.nytimes....ar-preview.html

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#52 Silberpfeil

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 19:58

The key is in the bold.

Felix had a slow start to his F3 career. He seems to have developed slower than most. With how fixated racing teams are with either youth or money, that effectively ruined his career in the F1 ladder.

As for the DTM tests - well, for one reason or the other, some drivers simply don't seem suited suited to that quirky, tight series. Ocon being a very good example of a driver who struggled there. Doesn't mean he's a bad single seater driver.


All of that is true. I actually had a very interesting conversation last year with someone who had recent experience with both GT3s and DTM cars. Essentially, the DTM car requires a very specific driving style to get the best out of the car, which, despite it being billed as "F1 with a roof," is quite different from lower-class single seaters. That Rosenqvist managed to be so quick from the off is, despite his previous experience, definitely a testament to his talent. Regarding Ocon, he just seemed to get the hang of things (he would‘ve scored in both Zandvoort races if not for a problem of some sort on Sunday) before he was called up.

#53 jonpollak

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 22:52

Hey Risil...
What was Felix’s result at that 2016 Freedom 100 ?

I remember us cheering for him but not the result.
We may have been busy with a cardboard cutout at the time.
Jp

#54 paulb

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 23:39

Hey Risil...
What was Felix’s result at that 2016 Freedom 100 ?

I remember us cheering for him but not the result.
We may have been busy with a cardboard cutout at the time.
Jp

That almost sounds wrong.  :rotfl:



#55 Afterburner

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 02:39

That almost sounds wrong. :rotfl:

Almost? :lol:

#56 Peat

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 10:50

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Marco is reportedly taking a busmans' holiday in Melbourne. 



#57 jonpollak

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 11:15

7-B4-CDF8-B-AF5-D-4-C0-C-BA27-0-B1741445

Whoa
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#58 paulb

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 11:23


 

Almost? :lol:

Consider the individuals involved. :D



#59 AustinF1

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 12:35

Umm ... whoa.

 

Not IndyCar, but it was over the weekend in St. Pete...

 



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#60 MattK9

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 16:12

He's had a wild ride!



#61 Muppetmad

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 18:20

If that had happened in a racing game, I'd call that bad physics. What a strange crash!



#62 jonpollak

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 18:53

Looks like all the #moaningUK worked

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Jp

#63 Risil

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 22:23

Hey Risil...
What was Felix’s result at that 2016 Freedom 100 ?

I remember us cheering for him but not the result.
We may have been busy with a cardboard cutout at the time.
Jp

 
Seem to remember him fading as the race went on. I had to look it up: he finished 9th (of 11 finishers) but one-hundredth of a second ahead of his Belardi teammate Zach Veach.
 
The race ended up being Dean Stoneman vs Ed Jones for the victory, with Stoneman proving able to run an outside line all the way through one of the turns on the way to victory by some absurdly small margin. I also remember Juan Piedrahita (see: previously unsaid phrases in history) making some sort of move on the main straight that put his car extremely close to head on impact with the attenuator at pit entry. Or perhaps it just seemed that way from where we were watching.
 
Looking at Rosenqvist's career to date, one side-effect of his long stint in F3 is that he raced against anyone who was anyone on their way up. Raffaele Marciello, Pipo Derani, Alex Lynn, Pascal Wehrlein, Esteban Ocon, Max Verstappen, Lucas Auer, Antonio Giovinazzi, Charles Leclerc, George Russell, Alex Albon, Lance Stroll, Santino Ferrucci... And Eddie Cheever III, who I'd never heard of but kinda looks like Al Pacino.



#64 Vitesse2

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:36

Looks like all the #moaningUK worked

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Jp

Having worked out a complicated on/off schedule of Sky Sports passes covering F1, IndyCar and the coming cricket season on Now TV and invested in one of their streaming sticks that's a very encouraging development :up:

 

Although of course, you know what they say about good intentions ...



#65 Peat

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:45

Don't forget that the GP will be on SkyOne on Sunday. Save yourself a few quid. 



#66 Vitesse2

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:32

Don't forget that the GP will be on SkyOne on Sunday. Save yourself a few quid. 

I don't have a paid Sky subscription ...



#67 Peat

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:34

I don't have a paid Sky subscription ...

 

It's on NowTV though. Part of the 'Entertainment' pass, which was the cheapest pass when i signed up. 



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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:35

Don't forget that the GP will be on SkyOne on Sunday. Save yourself a few quid. 

 

It's all still on SSF1 though isn't it? I've already paid for the sports pass for the month.



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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:37

It's all still on SSF1 though isn't it? I've already paid for the sports pass for the month.

 Yeah. It's a 'simulcast'.... Sky's word for saying they don't have enough content to fill their platform. 



#70 Vitesse2

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:45

It's on NowTV though. Part of the 'Entertainment' pass, which was the cheapest pass when i signed up. 

My streaming stick came with just the Sports pass. I'll cancel that at the end of the month and then just buy individual pass codes, strategically by date. As an example, activating one on May 10th will give me five IndyCar races, three GPs and nine one-day international cricket matches.



#71 maximilian

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 16:24

Time to bump this back up, and get back to GOOD racing.   ;)   Who is doing the COTA thread?  :wave:



#72 red stick

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 17:11

It has amazed me through the years that F1 has managed Lap 1, Turn 1 at COTA without carnage. With all the new faces in IndyCar, and some of the old ones, I wonder what next weekend will bring? :)

Edited by red stick, 17 March 2019 - 17:15.


#73 red stick

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 17:11

And I thoroughly enjoyed the Aussie GP. Seeing Bottas happy and Seb and Lewis less so made my (early) morning!

Edited by red stick, 17 March 2019 - 18:07.


#74 DS27

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 17:36

Having picked my team for next weekend. Just what is the scoop with Colton Hertas picture on the Fantasy site. It looks like he is on Paul Tracys diet.



#75 jonpollak

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 17:40

Gon be wet.
Jp

#76 loki

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 18:16

VEACH was on the Supercross broadcast from Lucas Stadium Sat night pimping the Indianapolis 500 Mile Race.  He gave Will Christien a quart of milk with the 2019 race logo.  I've seen some of the milk bottle swag for sale but not with the full color logo like this.  Much flashier than the one with just black print they use in victory lane.



#77 FLB

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 18:48

Didn't Ericsson have the best starting position of his F1 career at COTA?


Edited by FLB, 17 March 2019 - 18:49.


#78 Nonesuch

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 22:57

Didn't Ericsson have the best starting position of his F1 career at COTA?

 

No, he started 6th in Brazil last year. His best starting position in Texas is 13th, in 2017.



#79 red stick

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 23:03

Gon be wet.
Jp


Rain in a seven day forecast may be less interesting than the cooler temperatures.

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#80 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 00:10

After watching, well binging, on Netflix' F1 dive, they found watchable content.

IndyCar could provide just as good as stuff, they better get on it. 



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 00:12

After watching, well binging, on Netflix' F1 dive, they found a watchable story.

IndyCar could provide just as good as stuff, they better get on it. 

There are sorts all of providers out there begging for content.

Freakin' Amazon paid three gits from the UK 250 mil for about 30 hours. 


Edited by whitewaterMkII, 18 March 2019 - 00:13.


#82 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 10:18

Interestingly, though, his fortunes with Mercedes seemed to have turned around to such a degree during his 2016 season that they were very eager to work with him again in 2017. So Mahindra came along at just the right moment and snapped him up. Toto‘s loss, Dilbagh‘s gain.
 

 

I remember Felix being quoted that he was in discussions for a full time DTM drive, but in the end Mercedes encouraged him to concentrate on FE (I think this was after his first FE season?). I've always suspected that they were already planning ahead and thinking of signing him for their FE team which they were in early discussions about at the time.

 

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Marco is reportedly taking a busmans' holiday in Melbourne. 

 

Michael was there too. He's part owner of a Supercars team.



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:07

How the hell are we supposed to pick ‘Ave Race Speed’ for this weekend?

Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 18 March 2019 - 11:07.


#84 Risil

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:20

Time to bump this back up, and get back to GOOD racing.  ;) Who is doing the COTA thread? :wave:


I say you should go for it

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:22

How the hell are we supposed to pick ‘Ave Race Speed’ for this weekend?

Jp

 

Dig into the WEC timing sheets from previous years, look at the LMP1 race average speeds and then go from there. :) http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com



#86 paulb

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:25

How the hell are we supposed to pick ‘Ave Race Speed’ for this weekend?

Jp

 

Huh? There are methods other than guessing? Do tell!



#87 red stick

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:43

How the hell are we supposed to pick ‘Ave Race Speed’ for this weekend?

Jp

 

Subtract "x" from qualifying speeds.



#88 jonpollak

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:43

After looking at Victor’s linked page I’m gonna go with a random guess. Like I always should, but never do.

I say you should go for it

With all these random F1 threads polluting the front page..
(Racing Point marketing,activation and catering thread etc)..
Don’t forget the emoji in the title.
Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 18 March 2019 - 11:55.


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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:49

How the hell are we supposed to pick ‘Ave Race Speed’ for this weekend?

Jp


Do a parametric analysis based on common circuits in different series, to arrive at the expected delta between Indycar and F1.

Then throw it in the bin and take a wild guess because indycar.

#90 paulb

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 12:05

Time to bump this back up, and get back to GOOD racing.   ;)   Who is doing the COTA thread?  :wave:

I do love how it is called the Indycar Classic as if Indycar/CART/Champcar/USAC has been racing there for years. :lol:



#91 Peat

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 12:49

'World Series'



#92 Risil

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 12:50

After looking at Victor’s linked page I’m gonna go with a random guess. Like I always should, but never do.

With all these random F1 threads polluting the front page..
(Racing Point marketing,activation and catering thread etc)..
Don’t forget the emoji in the title.
Jp

 

I would kill for a thread where people posted pictures of the catering offerings at all the different team hospitality and said unkind things about their quality.



#93 maximilian

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 13:39

I do love how it is called the Indycar Classic as if Indycar/CART/Champcar/USAC has been racing there for years. :lol:

 

But each and every IndyCar race turns out to be a classic... so it's more than appropriate!  :love:  :lol:



#94 Myrvold

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 15:19

Michael was there too. He's part owner of a Supercars team.

Not sure you got the Andretti - Uber reference?



#95 Myrvold

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 15:19

Doublepost :(

Edited by Myrvold, 18 March 2019 - 15:19.


#96 red stick

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 16:08

Shorter Miller: Kwitcherbitchin.'

https://racer.com/20...ycars-tv-deals/

#97 maximilian

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 17:11

They stuffed up royally, and need to stop making excuses trying to explain away a problem that is seriously pissing off a LOT of fans, and turning away so many others before they could even become fans!

The solution is SIMPLE: Gold IndyCar Streaming Pass for $55, INCLUDING LIVE RACES besides practice and qualifying, and all that AVAILABLE GLOBALLY. This is what fans want, and it is absolutely doable. Make it happen, and all is forgiven.



#98 Anja

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 17:17

It's not like it's some minor issue, it's the backbone of the entire fanbase. No accessible way to watch = no fans = no sport. 



#99 AustinF1

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 17:24

Rain in a seven day forecast may be less interesting than the cooler temperatures.

Not gonna be cooler. Low 70s, warming on Sunday to mid/upper 70s. 



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 17:25

As much as I like Robin, I couldn’t disagree with him more on this. Alienating your fans isn’t exactly constructive in building a good fan base and they’re completely entitled to feel short-changed over broadcasting changes. It’s the sort of thing that needs to be handled with tact which is the complete opposite of what’s actually happened.