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#1301 MattPete

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 02:18

I really admire his persistence over the last two years. He took these few part-time chances he got and made the most of it, clawed his way back to the spotlight. It would be very nice to see him in McLaren but even a full season with Carlin wouldn't be bad - they made some good progress lately and Conor seems to be working pretty well with them. 

 

To be honest, based on his previous performances, I was underwhelmed by Daly.  But, based on his performances this year, he defintely deserves a seat.



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#1302 Radoye

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 02:31

I'm baaaack! :D

IndyCar F1-style points standings, Gateway:
 
Newgarden 202
Dixon 175
Rossi 169
Pagenaud 146.5
Power 98
Hunter-Reay 95
Sato 91
Rahal 74
Rosenqvist 66
Hinchcliffe 49
Herta 47
Bourdais 40
Ferrucci 40
Carpenter 30
Ericsson 30
Pigot 27
Kanaan 20
Andretti 19
Harvey 18
Veach 14
Leist 12
Daly 9
Jones 8
O'Ward 5
Kimball 0.5
Chilton 0
Davison 0
Castroneves 0
Hanley 0
Mann 0
Kaiser 0
Karam 0
Hildebrand 0
Servia 0
King 0
Alonso 0
 
 
 
...and Portland:
 
Newgarden 212
Rossi 184
Dixon 175
Pagenaud 152.5
Power 123
Hunter-Reay 95
Sato 91
Rosenqvist 84
Rahal 74
Herta 59
Hinchcliffe 49
Bourdais 43
Ferrucci 40
Pigot 35
Carpenter 30
Ericsson 30
Kanaan 20
Leist 20
Andretti 19
Harvey 18
Veach 14
Daly 9
Jones 8
O'Ward 5
Kimball 1.5
Chilton 0
Davison 0
Castroneves 0
Hanley 0
Mann 0
Kaiser 0
Karam 0
Hildebrand 0
Servia 0
King 0
Alonso 0

Since in our championship there are no double points shenanigans, this means Newgarden has already secured the title. Even if he scores no points in the last race and Rossi wins with the fastest lap, he will still have a 2 pt advantage.
 
Also, what stands out is that Rosenqvist has clearly won the rookie battle despite Herta and Ferrucci being talked up much more in the media. And Ericsson go his ass handed to him on a plate.
 
Disappointed at VEACH, he's the worst of the full-timers with Andretti being next ahead - but i don't think at this stage of his career even Marco himself expected much better so it's hard to call his result a disappointment.



#1303 maximilian

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 03:03

Thanks for doing this, Radoye.  Their points system is one thing IndyCar really could improve upon a lot, although it would rob us of a season finale with at least SOME suspense this year (but let's face it, it's pretty unlikely Newgarden won't win the title either way).

 

Ericsson got his ass handed in the real points, too.  And yes, I love VEACH for being a great dude, but his performances have been pretty terrible.  Mixed feelings, because it would be great if he did well, and he brought in an important new sponsor to the series, but hell!  Imagine where that car would be if they had Daly or O'Ward driving it all season!



#1304 M66R

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 08:20

I'm looking at doing the 500 next year (or more likely 2021). Is it worth tagging Detroit onto the end of the trip, considering I'm coming over from the UK.

#1305 Rob G

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 12:29

I'm looking at doing the 500 next year (or more likely 2021). Is it worth tagging Detroit onto the end of the trip, considering I'm coming over from the UK.

 

I've never been to the Detroit race, but there are a number of really nice car museums in northern Indiana, and Detroit has the superb Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village, including tours of the River Rouge Ford plant. I'd say yes.



#1306 red stick

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 13:13

What Rob said.  If you enjoy museums, the Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg Museum is a gem, and you can expect to spend the better part of a day at the Henry Ford.



#1307 red stick

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 13:15

Penske to add Rahal to its Acura sports car team at Petit LeMans,as Rossi will be at Bathurst.  And, if as an added bonus, maybe Graham thinks twice about bowling into Newgarden at Laguna Seca, well . . .

 

:cool:

 

 

 

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#1308 king_crud

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 16:18

I'm looking at doing the 500 next year (or more likely 2021). Is it worth tagging Detroit onto the end of the trip, considering I'm coming over from the UK.


Was watching a series on Netflix called Dope, about the drug trade in America. They did an episode on Detroit and Belle Isle looks right in the middle of the drugs coming in from Canada. So anyway, if you like drugs you may be able to get some

#1309 prommer

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 16:35

I'm looking at doing the 500 next year (or more likely 2021). Is it worth tagging Detroit onto the end of the trip, considering I'm coming over from the UK.

 

Head up to Chicago as your base of operations during the week between the two races and you'll make a nice Midwestern tour out of it.

 

Hope you like your pizza thick (not just talking Chicago deep-dish here, but Detroit red top too!)



#1310 M66R

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 17:32

Thanks all for the great advice

#1311 M66R

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 17:41

Head up to Chicago as your base of operations during the week between the two races and you'll make a nice Midwestern tour out of it.

Hope you like your pizza thick (not just talking Chicago deep-dish here, but Detroit red top too!)


Wow red top pizza looks epic

#1312 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 17:44

All American Pizza is garbage. 

 

I will run that on my sidepods. I will not backdown.



#1313 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 17:46

All American Pizza is garbage. 

 

I will run that on my sidepods. I will not backdown.

 

I'm with you on that. Real Italian pizza is the only option.



#1314 sblick

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 17:56

I drive down form outside Detroit to the 500 every year basically.  So my biased opinion is Belle Isle is Sooooo much better than it used to be.  Downtown Detroit is close and it is well stocked with bars and restaurants.  Besides the Henry Ford and Greenfield Village...Cars and Coffee are plentiful, and next year for added pleasure, if you like golf the pros will be in town playing.  The car culture here is amazing.  If you are into art the Detroit Institute of Art is very good.  Always good concerts in town for music lovers.  And yes, I do not like the pizza here.  I can recommend places that are very good but there are plenty of other very good choices.



#1315 Anja

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 18:00

Deep dish is not even a pizza. It's a pie. 



#1316 rghojai

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 18:03

Was watching a series on Netflix called Dope, about the drug trade in America. They did an episode on Detroit and Belle Isle looks right in the middle of the drugs coming in from Canada. So anyway, if you like drugs you may be able to get some

 

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#1317 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 18:14

I'm with you on that. Real Italian pizza is the only option.

 

I'm not even going to be a snob about it, but you hear so much about NYC Pizza, then you see it and think "Is that it? This is school cafeteria food."



#1318 Muppetmad

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 19:18

The pizza I had at Kesté in NYC was outstanding, and even in Italy I've yet to find a better one (although I admittedly have yet to go to Naples...) - though Kesté does Neapolitan style pizzas rather than NYC pizzas, so perhaps that explains why I loved it so much!


Edited by Muppetmad, 05 September 2019 - 19:18.


#1319 prommer

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 19:20

How has this turned into an anti-pizza thread!? NYC Pizza is great! It comes with an extra free topping of grease!  FREE!

 

Anyone want to run down New Haven-style apizza while we're at it?  :p

 

 

 

 

 

(full disclosure: the best pizza I ever had was in Rome but but but still...)



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#1320 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 19:22

How has this turned into an anti-pizza thread!? NYC Pizza is great! It comes with an extra free topping of grease!  FREE!

 

Anyone want to run down New Haven-style apizza while we're at it?  :p

 

 

 

 

 

(full disclosure: the best pizza I ever had was in Rome but but but still...)

 

Sounds like the Colonel's secret recipe:

 

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#1321 OvDrone

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 19:25

Without Radoye, Indycar would make even less sense to me. I thank you dear sir.



#1322 M66R

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 20:02

For what it's worth I'm a fan of all pizza (mostly).

A few years ago I did a pilgrimage to Celzi, a tiny village 50km east of Naples to see where my grandparents grew up before the emigrated to the UK on the 50s. While there I visited this tiny restaurant and the pizza was on another level. The thinnest crust with a spicy sausage on top that was made just outside the village from animals reared 5km away.

On the other hand when i went to Vegas last year I had the fattest deep dish ever. It was more pie than pizza but it was so good

#1323 Jim Thurman

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 20:06

All American Pizza is garbage. 

 

I will run that on my sidepods. I will not backdown.

 

What about pizza made by Italian immigrants in America?  :confused:



#1324 red stick

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 20:17

What about pizza made by Italian immigrants in America?  :confused:

You're overthinking this.   ;)

 

You're all overthinking this.  :smoking:

 

And I'm not just saying this because of the flashbacks to my college days in Chicago listening to the endless "Chicago pizza" versus "New York pizza" versus "European (pick your country) pizza" versus the "pizza at the place around the corner in my hometown" debates that consumed far too many late night hours . . .  :(

 

Oh, wait--it's entirely because of these flashbacks that I'm saying this.  :cool:

 

 

The only more endless and largely pointless debate is over which state/city/region has the superior BBQ . . . not that I'm suggesting we open that can of worms.  :blush:


Edited by red stick, 05 September 2019 - 20:19.


#1325 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 20:22

What about pizza made by Italian immigrants in America?  :confused:

 

I'm not even judging it compared to 'real' Pizza or whatever. Just as a standalone. Overrated carb garbage. Not that carbs and grease and etc don't have their place, but the homilies to it leave me thinking "This? This is what you're leading with?" It's a bit like, Road America track food is overrated*. It's not even good by Wisconsin standards. It's bare bones brats and cheese curds and fried whatever. 

 

Also generally Wisconsin cheese is disappointing. It's the dairy state. It is not the cheese state at all. It is shameful. 

#Stonefeld2020

 

 

*This is probably why I no longer have a race license.



#1326 red stick

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 20:34

It's a bit like, Road America track food is overrated*. It's not even good by Wisconsin standards. It's bare bones brats and cheese curds and fried whatever. 

 

Also generally Wisconsin cheese is disappointing. It's the dairy state. It is not the cheese state at all. It is shameful. 

#Stonefeld2020

 

 

*This is probably why I no longer have a race license.

 

RA track food generally is overrated.  Plain brats is right.  Makes me long for boudin.

 

Now, the BBQ they cater in at Barber Motorsports Park, OTOH . . .



#1327 Muppetmad

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 20:35

Wisconsin cheese, you say? I sense an opportunity for a gratuitous Frasier reference...  :lol:



#1328 prommer

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 21:05

Ex-IMSA racer Brian Redman possibly left stranded in the Bahamas after Hurricane Dorian, from Racer:

 

https://racer.com/20...pounds-bahamas/

 

Weren't we just talking about his Cat not that long ago?



#1329 Afterburner

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 21:34

I'm looking at doing the 500 next year (or more likely 2021). Is it worth tagging Detroit onto the end of the trip, considering I'm coming over from the UK.

If you can afford it, I'd say so, yeah. I've both worked and spectated it. It's not your 'normal' race experience but you'll certainly have a lot of fun!

The Detroit/Belle Isle weekend packs two street-course Indycar races and an IMSA sprint race in, so you definitely get your money's worth and plenty of on-track action from all kinds of cars. Stay in Taylor, Michigan for the weekend if you want a cheaper hotel; it's like 20-30 minutes from the track, which you'll need to catch a bus over the river to get to. Also be sure to get breakfast at Tim Horton's at least once while you're there. Digging into a cup of Timbits while you watch the sun rise over Motor City is really the highlight of the whole experience. :lol: Be sure to explore the infield if you go because amusing weirdness will inevitably abound.

If you're looking for random-ass stuff to do while you're there that you didn't know belonged on your bucket list, the Mariner's Church of nautical disaster fame is mere minutes from the track.

So yeah, I'd say if the opportunity presents itself, do both. You'll probably remember it the rest of your life if you do.

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 00:00

The only more endless and largely pointless debate is over which state/city/region has the superior BBQ . . . not that I'm suggesting we open that can of worms.  :blush:

 

That’s because everyone knows the best is Kansas City style...



#1331 paulb

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 00:07

That’s because everyone knows the best is Kansas City style...

Now you’ve done it, loki. mods!  ;)

The best bbq for me is whatever is on my plate.

Edited by paulb, 06 September 2019 - 00:08.


#1332 maximilian

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 00:17

Wait, this IS an IndyCar thread, yes?  :confused:  :lol:



#1333 red stick

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 00:42

Wait, this IS an IndyCar thread, yes?  :confused:  :lol:


Yes. We had a proposed sidepod message followed by a discussion about real and imagined track food.

They should never leave three weeks between scheduled races. Mayhem always ensues.

#1334 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 00:50

Our off-track chat is better than the other series race weekend 'analysis'. 



#1335 paulb

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 01:33

Our off-track chat is better than the other series race weekend 'analysis'.

Did you notice, Ross, you joined this place 20 years ago? I’m a pup of only 19 years.

#1336 king_crud

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 07:12

Chicago is a great town, but their pizzas? No thanks

#1337 OvDrone

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 09:59

Pizza sucks.

 

 

Yeah, I am that dude.



#1338 king_crud

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 10:04

That boring dude. Pizza is amazing when done right

#1339 Muppetmad

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 10:13

What about mini calzones?



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#1340 OvDrone

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 10:22

It's just bread with cheese and salami.



#1341 f1paul

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 11:43

Exactly Ov. That's why it's so good.

 

Fun fact: Pizza was not originated in Italy.



#1342 OvDrone

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 12:00

I guess Toh'nee Kahnaan was there at the first ever serving of a 'pizza'. Or as the ancient Assyrians used to call it 'just-round-bread'.


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#1343 Anja

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 12:22

Pizza sucks.

 

 

Yeah, I am that dude.

 

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#1344 jonpollak

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 12:41

Exactly Ov. That's why it's so good.

Fun fact: Pizza was not originated in Italy.


It’s Greek ....no?
Jp

#1345 paulb

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 12:54

It’s Greek ....no?
Jp

French. All food originated in France. ;)

#1346 maximilian

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 13:17

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#1347 maximilian

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#1348 f1paul

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 18:46

It’s Greek ....no?
Jp

China I think.



#1349 red stick

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 18:58

French. All food cuisine originated in France.  ;)

 

Anybody with a sharp stick and a campfire can do "food."  :cool:



#1350 milestone 11

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 19:01

I've mentioned it before, but I think it comes down to the Corkscrew and the Zanardi pass in said corner.


Guilty! That and the '08 Moto GP scrap between Rossi and Stoner.