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#7601 ToniF1

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 18:37



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#7602 ARTGP

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 18:54

 

next we need Charlie at the chocolate factory, eh I mean Ferrari Factory, and Max at the ehh...bottling plant? lol.

 

-jokes aside, neat.


Edited by ARTGP, 14 November 2019 - 18:55.


#7603 ToniF1

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 19:14



#7604 AustinF1

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 19:33

Sorry if already posted...

 

BBC News - Mercedes-Benz to cut jobs amid tougher emissions rules.
 
Kallenius: $1.5 Billion must be slashed. 
 


#7605 pRy

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 19:34

Some interesting comments from Lewis. Openly discussing a scenario of Toto leaving.

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...rmula1/50426129



#7606 CL16

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 20:08

So Bottas has a secret plan for 2020

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#7607 Marklar

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 20:11

as long as he doesnt use sanitary pads...

#7608 Jordan44

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 21:50

Mercedes staying in F1:

CEO Ola Källenius announced austerity plans at an investor meeting in London and commented on the Formula One commitment: "We have won the World Cup six times in a row. It's unique and has more than paid off in marketing. "

Calculations have shown, according to Källenius, that a marketing value of about one billion euros was generated by the transfer of the Formula 1 race for series winner Mercedes. "So this has to be seen as a very worthwhile investment."

https://www.auto-mot...brasilien-2019/

#7609 Marklar

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 07:30

Mercedes staying in F1:

CEO Ola Källenius announced austerity plans at an investor meeting in London and commented on the Formula One commitment: "We have won the World Cup six times in a row. It's unique and has more than paid off in marketing. "

Calculations have shown, according to Källenius, that a marketing value of about one billion euros was generated by the transfer of the Formula 1 race for series winner Mercedes. "So this has to be seen as a very worthwhile investment."

https://www.auto-mot...brasilien-2019/

As expected.

Plus if they also break the Schumacher records this will generate even much more marketing value, you just can't miss this opportunity.

#7610 GoldenColt

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 09:16

Very good news! And now back to the day to day operations, there's two more races to be won this season.



#7611 kernel

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 10:30

As expected.

Plus if they also break the Schumacher records this will generate even much more marketing value, you just can't miss this opportunity.

 

Rumors that Penske may be a potential acquiror of Brackley; obviously Mercedes would remain as PU provider. This could make sense to the extent Mercedes wants to get away from having to support the team going forward whilst retaining visibility/marketing at the F1 level. Makes sense given McLaren is now back with Mercedes



#7612 Marklar

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 10:35

Rumors that Penske may be a potential acquiror of Brackley; obviously Mercedes would remain as PU provider. This could make sense to the extent Mercedes wants to get away from having to support the team going forward whilst retaining visibility/marketing at the F1 level. Makes sense given McLaren is now back with Mercedes

Yeah, I agree, although I would have expected them to take the Schumacher Record with them, since this is *huge* marketing value, but maybe in that scenario they think equalizing it is enough or being the engine supplier would make them visible enough.

We'll see, I guess.

#7613 CountDooku

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 10:36

Rumors that Penske may be a potential acquiror of Brackley; obviously Mercedes would remain as PU provider. This could make sense to the extent Mercedes wants to get away from having to support the team going forward whilst retaining visibility/marketing at the F1 level. Makes sense given McLaren is now back with Mercedes

 

What rumours???



#7614 kernel

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:02

What rumours???

 

https://f1-insider.c...r-nure-vorerst/

 

 

F1 Insider learned from a reliable source: The team is for sale. Possible candidate alongside Russian chemical Mogul Nikita Mazepin is US billionaire Roger Penske, 82, who has just bought the rights to the Indy Car series and the Indianapolis circuit. Penske, whose assets are estimated at 1.6 billion dollars, has great motorsport tradition. Several times he won with his own racing team, the 500 miles of Indianapolis, 1994 with Mercedes engine. Penske is considered a confidant of the Mercedes management team. In 1995, for example, he brokered the involvement of Daimler in McLaren.

The American, whose son Jay (40) belongs to the Dragon team in Formula E, now wants to expand further in motorsport. There are already talks about taking over the Mercedes team.

However: With the efficient hybrid engines, which fit into the future visions addressed by Källenius, Mercedes should remain safely in the premier class. This fits, as F1 insiders learned: Mercedes has since 2021 alongside McLaren, Force India and Williams also offered Red Bull engines. With their own team or the future Penske team, that would be five teams that Mercedes would then have to supply.

 

Marklar - I agree the record is very valuable. They're clearly going to own the team through 2021 at least, which will given them a good shot at it, but I don't think they necessarily will own the team through the next era of regulations/commercial agreement. The new budget cap makes it a lot more appealing for privateers to own teams, and I suspect there will be strong interest in owning a well-oiled machine like Brackley.



#7615 CountDooku

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:08

https://f1-insider.c...r-nure-vorerst/

 

 

Marklar - I agree the record is very valuable. They're clearly going to own the team through 2021 at least, which will given them a good shot at it, but I don't think they necessarily will own the team through the next era of regulations/commercial agreement. The new budget cap makes it a lot more appealing for privateers to own teams, and I suspect there will be strong interest in owning a well-oiled machine like Brackley.

 

But how does this fit with Kellenius' recent commitment to F1 post-2021?



#7616 kernel

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:14

But how does this fit with Kellenius' recent commitment to F1 post-2021?

 

Well Daimler just announced a massive cost reduction programme ($1.8bn) and layoffs yesterday. The next couple of years, or probably decade, is going to be very hard on OEMs. They will need to manage the transition to EV/hybrids, more stringent regulations, on top of a slowing worldwide economy. Whilst I am sure Mercedes is likely to remain shareholder, it wouldn't surprise me to see them exit the sport in a couple of years, as they will find it harder and harder to justify spending c. $50m per annum towards F1.


Edited by kernel, 15 November 2019 - 12:15.


#7617 SonGoku

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:40

This will impact Lewis decisions for sure.

#7618 F1Gui

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:51

So i guess if the team is for sale Lewis will want a 1 year extension only on his contract.

#7619 Hela

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:53

As expected.

Plus if they also break the Schumacher records this will generate even much more marketing value, you just can't miss this opportunity.

 

 

Call me a cynic but I get the feeling that those posting in here about Mercedes leaving all the time don't really care about Mercedes leaving Formula 1, there seems to be an underlying hidden message between the lines of them sniggering and chuckling  on Hamilton no longer being in F1 and  finally not being in contention for a wdc.

 

Such is the level of grr..Hamilton...grrr  :smoking: 

 

But as I said, maybe its me being a cynic 



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#7620 kernel

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 13:51

So i guess if the team is for sale Lewis will want a 1 year extension only on his contract.

 

I assume his contract would have an out subject to a change of ownership. The danger is if Lewis doesn't want to be part of the new "Mercedes", then it's likely the seats at Ferrari and RB will be filled and locked up for years.

 

If Hamilton were to leave Mercedes, it would happen for 2021, not after.

 

Call me a cynic but I get the feeling that those posting in here about Mercedes leaving all the time don't really care about Mercedes leaving Formula 1, there seems to be an underlying hidden message between the lines of them sniggering and chuckling  on Hamilton no longer being in F1 and  finally not being in contention for a wdc.

 

Such is the level of grr..Hamilton...grrr  :smoking: 

 

But as I said, maybe its me being a cynic 

 

Mercedes wouldn't be "leaving" F1 - they would simply back out of owning a team. This being said, it's also safe to say that a majority of Mercedes F1 fans are really Hamilton fans who will likely follow him wherever he goes. 



#7621 jstrains

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 14:02

So #eight is not a given.

#7622 SonGoku

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 16:31

I assume his contract would have an out subject to a change of ownership. The danger is if Lewis doesn't want to be part of the new "Mercedes", then it's likely the seats at Ferrari and RB will be filled and locked up for years.

If Hamilton were to leave Mercedes, it would happen for 2021, not after.


Mercedes wouldn't be "leaving" F1 - they would simply back out of owning a team. This being said, it's also safe to say that a majority of Mercedes F1 fans are really Hamilton fans who will likely follow him wherever he goes.

Exactly, his fanbase will move with him, just like when he left McLaren. Big decisions.

Edited by SonGoku, 15 November 2019 - 16:31.


#7623 alframsey

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 16:38

I mean this is all based on one report right? I don't see how F1 is an issue for merc at all, it pays for itself as long as they remain at the sharp end. Even so, for speculations sake, lets say the ream is sold I really do see Lewis moving on. Maybe ferrari, maybe to retire but he has said recently he wants to race the newer generation of cars.



#7624 GoldenColt

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 16:51

Mark Hughes weighs in on Lewis's contribution to the success of this season (and 2017, 2018).

 

https://www.motorspo...ot-his-mercedes


Edited by GoldenColt, 15 November 2019 - 16:54.


#7625 Bartonz20let

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 17:15

Well Daimler just announced a massive cost reduction programme ($1.8bn) and layoffs yesterday. The next couple of years, or probably decade, is going to be very hard on OEMs. They will need to manage the transition to EV/hybrids, more stringent regulations, on top of a slowing worldwide economy. Whilst I am sure Mercedes is likely to remain shareholder, it wouldn't surprise me to see them exit the sport in a couple of years, as they will find it harder and harder to justify spending c. $50m per annum towards F1.


€50m for Merc is chump change, its probably only a fraction of the total advertising budget.

The only thing that (I think) could sway the decision is the perception of spending in F1 while making redundancies but having said that, people are fickle and I doubt they would care enough to really effect Mercs thinking.

#7626 SonGoku

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 18:02

I mean this is all based on one report right? I don't see how F1 is an issue for merc at all, it pays for itself as long as they remain at the sharp end. Even so, for speculations sake, lets say the ream is sold I really do see Lewis moving on. Maybe ferrari, maybe to retire but he has said recently he wants to race the newer generation of cars.


Yes, with Mercedes involved. He has already said he is trying to find out what Wolff's future looks like. If the main actors stay, Lewis wants to stay, but that is the thing...

Edited by SonGoku, 15 November 2019 - 18:02.


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Posted 16 November 2019 - 10:53

:p

 

Ricciardo is horrible!
 

https://twitter.com/...6631332866?s=20



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Posted 16 November 2019 - 13:03

:p
 
Ricciardo is horrible!
 
https://twitter.com/...6631332866?s=20


Way to blow Bottas's grand plan!

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 13:24

Well Daimler just announced a massive cost reduction programme ($1.8bn) and layoffs yesterday. The next couple of years, or probably decade, is going to be very hard on OEMs. They will need to manage the transition to EV/hybrids, more stringent regulations, on top of a slowing worldwide economy. Whilst I am sure Mercedes is likely to remain shareholder, it wouldn't surprise me to see them exit the sport in a couple of years, as they will find it harder and harder to justify spending c. $50m per annum towards F1.

 

Is that all .... really?



#7630 jjcale

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 13:25

So #eight is not a given.

 

Never was .... after 2016



#7631 kernel

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 15:55

Is that all .... really?


That’s for running Brackley. Brixworth is another thing.

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 16:02

That’s for running Brackley. Brixworth is another thing.


£8.2m profit in 2017?

#7633 ARTGP

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 16:24

:p

 

Ricciardo is horrible!
 

https://twitter.com/...6631332866?s=20

 

Bottas thinking he can beat Hamilton is cringe lol. Year 4....



#7634 Marklar

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 17:10

Bottas thinking he can beat Hamilton is cringe lol. Year 4....

Well, if you dont believe (or at least try to make yourself believing that) you might as well stay home.

The cringe part is talking about a plan and then making a secret out of this. The plan can be only to be quicker and more consistent, everything else will fail lol

Edited by Marklar, 16 November 2019 - 17:11.


#7635 GoldenColt

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:03

Decent lap there by Lewis.

 

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#7636 SonGoku

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:03

Bottas should be more concerned about having the car for next season.

Well done Lewis but never in the fight today.

#7637 Synkro89

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:05

Bottas should be more concerned about having the car for next season.

Well done Lewis but never in the fight today.

Huh ?



#7638 FrontWing

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:06

You can always tell when Merc are just no where, there was no excitement at all during that qualifying.

#7639 SonGoku

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:08

You can always tell when Merc are just no where, there was no excitement at all during that qualifying.


Let's hope for a better race or we are in for two very boring events with overtaking impossible in Abu Boring.

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#7640 robefc

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:09

Clever of Bottas not to enact his plan yet...

#7641 TomNokoe

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:11

Hamilton could've pipped Vettel, but his lap was already strong enough. Tomorrow will be interesting!

#7642 rog

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:19

Hamiltons last S1 effort was actually really good finally, unfortunately he lost a bit in S2 compared to his previous attempt.



#7643 Marklar

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:24

13-7 in qualifying. so bad :(

#7644 ToniF1

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:26

Ham wins tomorrow



#7645 SonGoku

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:27

13-7 in qualifying. so bad :(


And could be 14-7 in a car Lewis admitted doesn't suit him. We saw last year what he can do when the car does.

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:27

13-7 in qualifying. so bad :(


I was going to do a proper analysis... how many times has Bottas outqualified Lewis by less than a tenth?

#7647 ARTGP

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:36

Ham’s got nothing to lose this weekend with great race pace, and Toto is away. Could make for a pretty spectacular race.

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:37

And could be 14-7 in a car Lewis admitted doesn't suit him. We saw last year what he can do when the car does.

You got a link to back up that claim and why you comparing his results from last year. Different tyres and Car characteristics/



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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:50

I was going to do a proper analysis... how many times has Bottas outqualified Lewis by less than a tenth?

Checked myself

Australia / LH -0.112
Bahrain / LH -0.066
China / VB -0.023
Baku / VB -0.059
Spain / VB -0.634
Monaco / LH -0.086
Canada / LH -0.655
France / LH -0.286
Austria / LH -0.275
Britain / VB -0.006
Germany / LH -0.362
Hungary / VB -0.179
Belgium / LH -0.133
Italy / LH -0.008
Singapore / LH -0.738
Russia / LH -0.602
Japan / VB -0.009
Mexico / LH -0.076
USA / VB -0.292
Brazil / LH -0.185

I was going to look at % lap-times because some are long and some are short, but eh. I think this tells its own story.

Edited by TomNokoe, 16 November 2019 - 21:12.


#7650 SonGoku

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 19:52

You got a link to back up that claim and why you comparing his results from last year. Different tyres and Car characteristics/


I listen to driver interviews, just a tip.