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2019 Red Bull: Max Verstappen and friends vs the world. Oh, and there was Gasly too before Albon took over


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#101 Viryfan

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 08:51

Well Bottas Never recoverred from his q3 crash last year during the race.

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#102 Arundo

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:22

https://streamable.com/gtabo Max talking about his turd place.



#103 A3

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:04

Move on Vettel: https://streamable.com/s1su5

#104 Danyy

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:22

It was a hugely satisfying feeling when that overtake happened, it was what we were all hoping/waiting for.

#105 Danyy

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:32

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#106 zanquis

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:37

Atleast The bulls where more competetive than last year, sure in absolute time they where closer but that was mostly because a VSC got Ricciardo to the front and a SC closed a near 40sec gap to the lead.



#107 acf69

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:48

I would focus more on the gap vs bottas than lewis, still a lot of work to do. however, max took what was given to him and if he keeps banking points and bottas and lewis steal points from eachother he might be in the max.

#108 Gambelli

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:52

I would focus more on the gap vs bottas than lewis, still a lot of work to do. however, max took what was given to him and if he keeps banking points and bottas and lewis steal points from eachother he might be in the max.

 

Indeed, but we didn't see him in clear air after his stop, seemed he had a bit more pace in his pocket than he could show.  But they are very close on a track they don't often shine on, and there were no weaknesses.  Good top speed, traction, braking, stability, tyre wear.  Remember Dan got 2 wins early last year, wins that could have been Max's, if he takes those sort of wins early this year I'd back them for the championship.



#109 acf69

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:54

the DR china win was not based on pace, and max drove strong but also had things fall his way in races like austria. yes, encouraging start but a long way to go

#110 Heyli

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:57

Gap to Mercedes is big, but it was last year as well. I think this combination with Honda has more potential to develop during the year. WC might be bit out of reach just yet this year, but I do hope for some nice results during the year, also on tracks where they werent really competitive last year.



#111 Requiem84

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:58

the DR china win was not based on pace, and max drove strong but also had things fall his way in races like austria. yes, encouraging start but a long way to go


Every driver has wins that ‘fall his way’, like Hamilton in Baku last year.

Vice versa, they lose races they should have won (Brazil, Bottas in Baku).

Based on today, I am more optimistic about Verstappen’s chsnces this year than before the weekend.

Max really made a step in his driving. Very mature. Safe and conservative when needed, but ruthless when the occassion was there with Vettel.

He changed from a Bazooka into a scalpel ;)

#112 Requiem84

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:01

Gap to Mercedes is big, but it was last year as well. I think this combination with Honda has more potential to develop during the year. WC might be bit out of reach just yet this year, but I do hope for some nice results during the year, also on tracks where they werent really competitive last year.


Let’s assume spec 2 and spec 3 of Honda deliver as good as last season and RB get their car together.. they could be fighting for every win on pure pace at some point.

Lot’s of ifs... but also a lot of hope.

#113 Danyy

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:02

Every driver has wins that ‘fall his way’, like Hamilton in Baku last year.
Vice versa, they lose races they should have won (Brazil, Bottas in Baku).
Based on today, I am more optimistic about Verstappen’s chsnces this year than before the weekend.
Max really made a step in his driving. Very mature. Safe and conservative when needed, but ruthless when the occassion was there with Vettel.
He changed from a Bazooka into a scalpel ;)

Agreed, he understands how vital it is to score consistently to sustain a year long challenge. He just needs to keep scoring strongly like he has been doing when he can’t win and then when the opportunity comes for a win he will pounce!

Edited by Danyy, 17 March 2019 - 11:03.


#114 Heyli

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:09

Let’s assume spec 2 and spec 3 of Honda deliver as good as last season and RB get their car together.. they could be fighting for every win on pure pace at some point.

Lot’s of ifs... but also a lot of hope.

It´s a good sign that this weekend didnt stamp our hopes into the ground and gave a better result than expected as a bonus. Lot better than last year :).



#115 Victor

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:23

Do you think Max would had let Kvyat by so easily? Gasly drove like a coward it is as simple as that. 

You have managed to call Gasley a coward twice in only two posts. Insulting someone else behind a computer dos not seem very brave to me. :down:



#116 Danyy

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:29

The reaction from Tokyo
https://twitter.com/...8132823042?s=21

#117 Arundo

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:38

 

That shot after the overtake of the Renault retiring.  :eek: Thats evil.

Nice to see how they are involved like that. 


Edited by Arundo, 17 March 2019 - 11:38.


#118 Sunnny

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:40

You have managed to call Gasley a coward twice in only two posts. Insulting someone else behind a computer dos not seem very brave to me. :down:

 

How is it an insult? He was scared to attack when he chance and defend when it mattered. He gets paid millions of be brave and I am a supporter of Gasly  as I prefer him to Max but I am not a blind supporter. No bias here from me I call it as I see it online and offline. 



#119 BuddyHolly

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:43

Did Gasly have a problem or is he just that slow? 



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#120 itsgreen84

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:46

Just an unlucky weekend for Gasly, he will be there in Bahrain...



#121 itsgreen84

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:47

Did Gasly have a problem or is he just that slow? 

 

Circuit mostly...



#122 Jbleroi

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:49

Dont worry about Gasly. He will be allright. He prob needs a bit of time to get comfortable in the car.. and he knows that he can’t wreck another car during the first races so he is a bit carefull

Max well done a very mature drive great move on Vettel only that little lawnmowing excursion was not necessary..

#123 Reddington

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:51

Not faultless, because of his little off in the race, but a very mature and measured race from Max. If he carries his form from last half of last season through, he can at least hope to stay in striking distance.

“There’s more to come”, I liked that quote from Max today.

I don’t think they had the car optimal at all yet, but still they were fast enough to beat the Ferraris and challenge Lewis for second. With a car that might not be optimal yet, it could mean we are in the hunt.

#124 Ivanhoe

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:57

You have managed to call Gasley a coward twice in only two posts. Insulting someone else behind a computer dos not seem very brave to me. :down:


He probably had some money on him finishing in the top 10, we saw the same pattern yesterday after qualification...

#125 A3

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:22

Did Gasly have a problem or is he just that slow?


In the other thread someone said that Marko explained in an interview that his overtake button didn't work.

#126 Gambelli

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:25

 

Thank you, thats was great, I was wondering if anyone had any Tokyo reaction so thats awesome.

 

The Japanese... so polite, even in their cheering...

 

They deserve it after the behaviour of M..... never mind....



#127 Roadhouse

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:50

I think they told Gasly all damage would be withheld from his salary...

Hope he'll do better after popping his RB cherry. :)



#128 Wolbo

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 13:09

Great mature race from Max! Folks are way too hard on Gasly here.



#129 Rupert

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 19:52

Verstappen was great, as usual  :up:

 

Gasly really pissed me off on testing with his crashes. This weekend was no better. He needs to improve massively or Marko will put someone else on that seat



#130 messy

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 20:02

Never been convinced by Gasly. Thought Giovinazzi was more impressive in GP2, and his year and a bit at Toro Rosso I thought had only very occasional highlights and a sea of very beige 13th place finishes against a pretty weak team-mate. I'm happy to be proven wrong and would like him to do well, but I thought he and Kubica were the weak links today.

#131 SonGoku

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 21:19

Well Gasly beat a guy in Toro Rosso that isn't in F1 anymore for a reason. Let's not pretend he was a world beater before arriving at Red Bull. I think he will struggle a lot this season against Max.



#132 AlexPrime

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 21:36

Gasly was really impressive in super formula, so I think he'll do well. Yesterday even Marco admitted that it was a team mistake. This made today so difficult.



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 21:40

Well Gasly beat a guy in Toro Rosso that isn't in F1 anymore for a reason. Let's not pretend he was a world beater before arriving at Red Bull. I think he will struggle a lot this season against Max.

Yep. His junior career was so-so by F1 standards (still very good, but a 3rd year GP2 champion isn't standout). He's up against one of the best drivers on the grid. I expect a Hamilton/Bottas situation.


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 21:41

Yep. His junior career was so-so by F1 standards (still very good, but a 3rd year GP2 champion isn't standout). He's up against one of the best drivers on the grid. I expect a Hamilton/Bottas situation.

Bottas with beard, or without?



#135 realracer200

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 22:20

why are drivers thread now called personnel thread?



#136 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 22:55

Great work by Verstappen and, in particular, Honda. They deserve some kudos for working their asses off and its starting to pay off.

Keep this up and development evolves at a good rate, we are in for a treat.

#137 ANF

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:15

why are drivers thread now called personnel thread?

https://forums.autos...olicy-for-2019/

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 15:52

5-6 guys on the right side of the pic look as if photoshopped (at least on my pc) due to wide lens distortion, as well as them being near, and compression :lol:

 

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#139 SenorSjon

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 16:00

 

The title is now much clearer, especially the first/second driver part.  :rotfl:



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 16:08

In clear air, Max V was losing 7 tenths a lap on equal tires to Bottas after Vettel's stop. Sure, he hustled Hamilton a little at the end but he had nearly 10 laps younger tires and Hamilton was no where near Bottas' pace in the second stint. A positive weekend for Red Bull, but a long way to go to regularly challenge for wins. :(


Edited by tourister46a, 18 March 2019 - 16:09.


#141 A3

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 16:52

In clear air, Max V was losing 7 tenths a lap on equal tires to Bottas after Vettel's stop. Sure, he hustled Hamilton a little at the end but he had nearly 10 laps younger tires and Hamilton was no where near Bottas' pace in the second stint. A positive weekend for Red Bull, but a long way to go to regularly challenge for wins. :(

Last year the gap in Melbourne was bigger and Ricciardo won in China.

#142 Alfisti

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 17:40

Mybone prediction this year was that max would annihilate gasly. So far as expected imho.

#143 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 19:41

max was great and mature. great job!

the team has a very solid car, with honda performing well. Kudos!

gasly had a bad race, hopefully he has some learnings and he'll bounce back.



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 20:03

why are drivers thread now called personnel thread?

 

Because we want to expand the conversation to more than just two members of the team.



#145 A3

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 20:57

Because we want to expand the conversation to more than just two members of the team.


But the title suddenly says it's mostly about Max Verstappen. I thought I named it the 2019 Red Bull personnel thread?

If you need to change it, why don't you change it to "2019 Red Bull drivers and team" or something?

Edited by A3, 18 March 2019 - 20:58.


#146 Cliff

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 21:13

But the title suddenly says it's mostly about Max Verstappen. I thought I named it the 2019 Red Bull personnel thread?

If you need to change it, why don't you change it to "2019 Red Bull drivers and team" or something?


I mean 90% of the conversation is gonna be about Max vs Gasly anyway. But Gasly could/should be in the title. I did giggle when I saw the current thread title!

#147 PayasYouRace

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 21:17

Clearly there's a mod with a sense of humour. I'll correct that omission.



#148 Zerobyte

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 21:18

A working day of the still very young Max, on the Honda of father Jos I think around 1999.

 

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And now 2019 3e place with a Red Bull Honda :clap:


Edited by Zerobyte, 18 March 2019 - 21:20.


#149 Talisman

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 21:59

A working day of the still very young Max, on the Honda of father Jos I think around 1999.

 

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And now 2019 3e place with a Red Bull Honda :clap:

 

That makes me feel VERY old...



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 22:10

Wait a second. This changes things a bit for me maybe:

 

 

 

The plan was for the Frenchman to get through Q1 using only one set of tyres, with a fast lap, a cool-down lap to recharge the battery, and a second fast lap.

 

However, circumstances led to Gasly doing two cool-down laps, and then subsequently his second fast lap was not quicker than the first.

By the time Gasly returned to the garage it was too late to take on a fresh set of tyres.

"It was frustrating for Pierre," Horner told Motorsport.com.

"His first lap was strong, he did a 1m23.0s, and he was a tenth up on Max's first lap.

"I think he went fourth quickest, and we expected the second lap to be quicker.

"Pierre didn't manage to improve, as Max did by two and a half tenths, and the circuit in the meantime ramped up with obviously other teams taking second sets of tyres.

"Our objective was to get through qualifying on one set to put ourselves on the front foot for the second two sessions.

"It was unfortunate. It was one of those things."

Red Bull motorsport advisor Helmut Marko had suggested immediately after qualifying that the team had made a strategy error and owed Gasly an apology.

Horner said it was not that straightforward.

 

 

Gasly did go for a second time, but failed to improve on his first time. Verstappen was able to improve. Maybe in an ideal world the team could have saved him, but on the other hand, he could maybe also just have improved on his first time and not get in trouble. From what Marko said, I got the impression this was all on the team. After 2 cool down laps, should Gasly not have experienced the advantage of track evolution (if only for a little bit) during his second timed lap and so should he not have done at least a bit better? Was it really all out of his hands? Just wondering if this is not more nuanced than what Marko made of it.  


Edited by Attilio, 18 March 2019 - 22:12.