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2019 Red Bull: Max Verstappen and friends vs the world. Oh, and there was Gasly too before Albon took over


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#3601 SenorSjon

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 13:21

I didn't read anything regarding chassis upgrades, but I hope they bring some more this season.

 

And fix those damn starts please......

 

Starts + software gremlins



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#3602 A3

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 14:00

Alex.... :lol:
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#3603 Heyli

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 14:02

Let´s be honest... If they decide to put a sausage kerb there, actually ending up in the water is definitely a possibility...



#3604 Ivanhoe

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 16:49

We didn’t see these clips much with Gasly, I have a feeling he wasn’t a real good fit into the team.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 19 September 2019 - 16:50.


#3605 Heyli

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 10:18

So, first weekend where we can get a straight comparisson between the 2 and definitely not the easiest circuit for Albon to get it on. Will be curious to see how he handles it. Gap in P1 quite big, but that´s hardly surprising. 



#3606 Thatfastguy

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 10:20

We didn’t see these clips much with Gasly, I have a feeling he wasn’t a real good fit into the team.

But why though.



#3607 goldenboy

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 12:34

Albon's a good lad. Gasly was a bit of a screaming baby throwing toys for me.

#3608 Danyy

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 14:11

Alex.... :lol:
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:lol: love these two!

#3609 beachdrifter

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 21:58

Hulk is available, who is demonstrating the ability of matching Ricciardo's points production over the course of a season. It's such a no-brainer to sign him as he'd be the perfect companion for Max when going after the WCC next season. 

 

Instead, he's not even "on their list". But the likes of Gasly are.  :rolleyes:



#3610 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 22:31

Hulk is available, who is demonstrating the ability of matching Ricciardo's points production over the course of a season. 

 

well, Hulk is proving to be solid but he hasn't shown he can match Ricciardo over a season. Let's wait for 1 season for both of them together...



#3611 beachdrifter

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 22:48

well, Hulk is proving to be solid but he hasn't shown he can match Ricciardo over a season. Let's wait for 1 season for both of them together...

 

Then it's too late. I wouldn't expect the last 7 races to show anything fundamentally different than the other 14. 



#3612 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 00:44

Hulk is available, who is demonstrating the ability of matching Ricciardo's points production over the course of a season. It's such a no-brainer to sign him as he'd be the perfect companion for Max when going after the WCC next season. 

 

Instead, he's not even "on their list". But the likes of Gasly are.  :rolleyes:

 

Indeed, or Alonso.  As long as Max doesn't mind and Fernando will promise to not play any political games.  :up:

 

 

 

 

well, Hulk is proving to be solid but he hasn't shown he can match Ricciardo over a season. Let's wait for 1 season for both of them together...

 

That's not the requirement though.  The requirement is just to not be all at sea compared to Verstappen.  It's alarming for Kvyat's Red Bull chances, the Gasly has come into Toro Rosso and is matching Kvyat straight away... despite being outpaced so much by Verstappen.

 

Albon being +1s on Verstappen in Singapore FP2 is alarming.   Seemingly the confidence to attack the circuit and get the most out of the RB15 is lacking compared to Verstappen -- I hope that is not true, as I thought Albon was a good quality driver.  Hopefully he can close the gap to less than three tenths (or outqualify Verstappen, even better) in qualifying, else his Red Bull drive will not be so secure for 2020...

 

 

Instead, he's not even "on their list". 

 

When did Horner/Marko say that? :)


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 21 September 2019 - 00:50.


#3613 beachdrifter

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 01:40

When did Horner/Marko say that? :)

 

Horner said it yesterday (or today, depending on your timezone). 

 

“Nico isn’t on our list,” said Horner on Friday at the Singapore Grand Prix. “He’s a great driver and it would be a great shame not to see him continue in Formula 1 next year.



#3614 goldenboy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 01:56

Remember back when the rumour was kimi getting a red bull seat.

I wouldn't take any offense really. They just don't want to go outside their young driver program. Understandable too if they want to keep it, considering the competition they have now in that area.

#3615 Ivanhoe

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 10:33

Why wait so long for Max to go out, especially on a track where there’s a decent chance on a yellow or red flag. Will lose some valuable track time.

#3616 Augurk

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 10:44

It's such a shame. I really like Albon and admire what he's doing. But another year at STR might be better for his development. This would be an opportune moment to sign Hulkenberg into the Red Bull brand. I think his personality fits and he has marketing potential.

And on the performance side he has been keeping pretty close to RIC, whom Red Bull wanted to keep and was reasonably close to Max. A very good point scorer even if hé would not be their primary wdc candidate.

#3617 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 11:51

Indeed, or Alonso. As long as Max doesn't mind and Fernando will promise to not play any political games. :up:





That's not the requirement though. The requirement is just to not be all at sea compared to Verstappen. It's alarming for Kvyat's Red Bull chances, the Gasly has come into Toro Rosso and is matching Kvyat straight away... despite being outpaced so much by Verstappen.

Albon being +1s on Verstappen in Singapore FP2 is alarming. Seemingly the confidence to attack the circuit and get the most out of the RB15 is lacking compared to Verstappen -- I hope that is not true, as I thought Albon was a good quality driver. Hopefully he can close the gap to less than three tenths (or outqualify Verstappen, even better) in qualifying, else his Red Bull drive will not be so secure for 2020...

When did Horner/Marko say that? :)


I’m a Fernando fan so that would be awesome, too good to be true I imagine. Red Bull would dominate every one with that pairing

#3618 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 11:53

Ok guys can Max get pole? I’m hoping we get redemption for Hungary :D

#3619 Heyli

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 12:03

Ok guys can Max get pole? I’m hoping we get redemption for Hungary :D

I fear it´ll be Hamilton.



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#3620 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 12:08

I fear it´ll be Hamilton.


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#3621 TheMidnight

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:03

Only 4th, not a good day at the office compared to practice

Edited by TheMidnight, 21 September 2019 - 14:07.


#3622 Arundo

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:12

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I just made that face when Leclerc got pole.

 

As for the Bulls performance this qualify, not very good. Seems Ferrari made a big jump over both Mercedes and Redbull.

 

Redbull probably turd team for the rest of the year. 



#3623 Prelude

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:13

Hopefully they will have a better car for the race. Ferrari on pole, interesting.



#3624 Heyli

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:14

Really disappointed. Most annoyed about Ferrari pipping Red Bull.



#3625 Requiem84

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:17

Last lap of Max had two greens, but slowerd third sector.

Even with a good third sector they didnt have a chance though.

Leclerc S1: 26.2
Hamilton S1: 26.4
Verstappen S1: 26.6

#3626 Lights

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:22

Albon post-qualifying looked like he got a wake up call. Not his usual cheery self.



#3627 Heyli

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:27

Albon post-qualifying looked like he got a wake up call. Not his usual cheery self.

How so? He was still fairly close. Closer than I expected at least.



#3628 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:27

I just made that face when Leclerc got pole.
 
As for the Bulls performance this qualify, not very good. Seems Ferrari made a big jump over both Mercedes and Redbull.
 
Redbull probably turd team for the rest of the year.


Yeah same, if it had to be a Ferrari Vettel would have been my choice. At least we won’t get 10 pages of people saying GOAT though. Isn’t Mobil bringing a major fuel update for Russia? I don’t think Red Bull will stay third for long.

#3629 Viryfan

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:31

How so? He was still fairly close. Closer than I expected at least.

 

6 tenths is not what you expect even when you come midway through in the season.

 

Grosjean got the boot while he was only on average 4 tenths slower than Alonso in 2009 for example.

 

At last Albon did not get beaten by a Mclaren.


Edited by Viryfan, 21 September 2019 - 14:32.


#3630 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:34

6 tenths is not what you expect even when you midway through in the season.

Grosjean got the boot while he was only on average 4 tenths slower than Alonso in 2009 for example.

This is his first time driving this track, experience counts a lot at this track, it’s not like other ones where you have run off to save your ass. I think Alex did well for his first time. Just wish Red Bull was stronger over all here..

Edited by Danyy, 21 September 2019 - 14:34.


#3631 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:35

Yeah same, if it had to be a Ferrari Vettel would have been my choice. At least we won’t get 10 pages of people saying GOAT though. Isn’t Mobil bringing a major fuel update for Russia? I don’t think Red Bull will stay third for long.

LOL.

I expect Red Bull to be quite a bit stronger in race pace, whilst Ferrari may struggle a little compared to qualy. Max will be in the fight for the win.

Edited by PlayboyRacer, 21 September 2019 - 14:37.


#3632 Viryfan

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:38

This is his first time driving this track, experience counts a lot at this track, it’s not like other ones where you have run off to save your ass. I think Alex did well for his first time. Just wish Red Bull was stronger over all here..

 

Well let's wait Russia so...

 

On the remaining tracks bar Russia and Abu Dhabi he will have the rookie card to play with in case of big gaps.

 

I'm sure Helmut is that gentle.


Edited by Viryfan, 21 September 2019 - 14:39.


#3633 Cliff

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:41

Pretty depressing quali as i was hoping Max would be in the fight for pole. Also Ferrari being fast all of a sudden on a track like this annoyed me.



#3634 ARTGP

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:41

I just knew, there would be something that would prevent Hamilton and Verstappen starting alongside each other, yet again. The drought continues.


Edited by ARTGP, 21 September 2019 - 14:42.


#3635 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:48

LOL.
I expect Red Bull to be quite a bit stronger in race pace, whilst Ferrari may struggle a little compared to qualy. Max will be in the fight for the win.


Not if he’s fourth in the first corner, even with world class race pace he’s destined to be looking at the wrong side of someone’s rear wing unfortunately. A win would require some unbelievable start and an absolute blinder of a strategy call. Not impossible but if Ferrari somehow manage throw away the easiest win I will be surprised even if it is Ferrari we are talking about

#3636 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:52

Not if he’s fourth in the first corner, even with world class race pace he’s destined to be looking at the wrong side of someone’s rear wing unfortunately. A win would require some unbelievable start and an absolute blinder of a strategy call. Not impossible but if Ferrari somehow manage throw away the easiest win I will be surprised even if it is Ferrari we are talking about

We've seen Ferraris advantage from qualy to race decrease or even vanish as Mercedes and Red Bull have, so many times, been faster. So anything is possible. Plus it's Singapore... literally anything is possible.

#3637 ARTGP

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:59

Safety car and pitting under Virtual safetcar can change the complexion of Max's race.

 

You just know Grosjean and Perez and Stroll will bin it at some point. 



#3638 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:18

Pretty depressing quali as i was hoping Max would be in the fight for pole. Also Ferrari being fast all of a sudden on a track like this annoyed me.

 

Why not congratulate Ferrari for doing a great job with their new cape nose design upgrade?  It is quite the departure for them, and clearly has worked well.  Ferrari claimed a 4 tenth gain, and it seems to indeed be the case.  :up:

 

It's not that Ferrari's old nose design was "wrong" per se, as other teams like Racing Point have actually changed from the cape design to the (old) Ferrari design.  Obviously there are pros and cons to both designs, it seems the cape that Ferrari have developed works particularly well with their car.

 

Red Bull have not made the same gains...



#3639 Requiem84

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:19

RB made massive gains around Austria - Hungaroring, but they fell back a bit after the summer break..

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#3640 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:22

RB made massive gains around Austria - Hungaroring, but they fell back a bit after the summer break..

 

Red Bull have brought an update in Singapore: a bargeboard with a slightly different cutout.  It does not seem to have made much difference!  :stoned:


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 21 September 2019 - 15:23.


#3641 SenorSjon

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:25

They focused on the wrong races for penalties again...

#3642 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:32

Red Bull have brought an update in Singapore: a bargeboard with a slightly different cutout.  It does not seem to have made much difference!  :stoned:

 

Or they haven't found the right set up to make it work.. they’ve been playing with set up all weekend. What tends to happen with Red Bull is they bring an update that doesn’t appear to do anything and all of sudden the car comes alive some races later



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:45

Nice, Hamilton in between two Ferrari's, in Singapore !



#3644 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 16:00

RB made massive gains around Austria - Hungaroring, but they fell back a bit after the summer break..

 

I think they should go back to whatever protein shake they were using before the summer break. This one isn’t giving those big gains!


Edited by Danyy, 21 September 2019 - 16:00.


#3645 Dalton007

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 16:19

6 tenths is not what you expect even when you come midway through in the season.

 

Grosjean got the boot while he was only on average 4 tenths slower than Alonso in 2009 for example.

 

At last Albon did not get beaten by a Mclaren.

 

I was expecting him to be closer, tbh, maybe 3 tenths off Max.

 

Tough at the top.



#3646 MortenF1

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 16:46

I really think six tenths slower has got to stand as OK. It’s a very intense track, and one that Verstappen is probably a little «extra fast» on IMO, due to it being so busy.
We used to give drivers almost the whole first season to settle in and get used to things (like a new car), building a rapport with new engineers and stuff. Albon is on his third weekend with the team.

#3647 SenorSjon

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 17:11

Max was 4 tenths slower than last year.

#3648 Danyy

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 17:26

Max was 4 tenths slower than last year.


But he came closer to the top Ferrari in Monza was within a tenth in Fp3. Is Red Bull better at low downforce tracks with straights now over high downforce tracks? I think the front wing change hurt them, they would have taken pole easily with last years wing.

Edited by Danyy, 21 September 2019 - 17:46.


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Posted 21 September 2019 - 18:15

Safety car and pitting under Virtual safetcar can change the complexion of Max's race.

You just know Grosjean and Perez and Stroll will bin it at some point.


Tbh not a fan but... stroll is actually quite ok on street tracks with walls around them

#3650 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 18:59

Tbh not a fan but... stroll is actually quite ok on street tracks with walls around them

 

And he does not bin it either.

 

:cool: