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Ferrari 2019: Vettel vs Leclerc, Binotto vs shareholders, expectation vs reality


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#51 thefinalapex

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 10:59

Neither driver particularly impressive today. But more so dissapointed in leclerc.


What did you expect Vettel to do then? He outqualifyed his teammate of whom many where Sure that he was gonna end Vettel's career. But you wouldn't give credit to Vettel even if he won in a shoppingtrolly.


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#52 HermannH

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 11:00

People just don't realize how quick Vettel is. Raikonen wasn't in the same league. Vettel extracted everything from his car last year, more than everything at the cost of some mistakes and got the blame for that. Vettel's approach was right, that was his only chance of beating the mercedes hamilton combi. Ferrari's speed last year compared to mercedes was overestimated. Had Vettel stayed too cautious and played security, he still would have been in front of raikonen and all lights would be on ferrari's lack of performance. Arrivabene and ferrari's staff were hypocrite and found confort in Vettel's mistakes, which in fact hided  that ferrari were loosing the race in development and Vettel was trying to overcompensate 

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#53 HermannH

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 11:02

What did you expect Vettel to do then? He outqualifyed his teammate of whom many where Sure that he was gonna and Vettel career. But you wouldnt give credit to Vettel even if he won in a shoppingtrolly.

 

Because he himself said he quite a bit of time in hand and if I am not mistaken, he didn't put his best sectors together. 



#54 Chmielinski

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 11:03

What did you expect Vettel to do then? He outqualifyed his teammate of whom many where Sure that he was gonna and Vettel career. But you wouldnt give credit to Vettel even if he won in a shoppingtrolly.

 

It's the Vettel syndrome. When he wins, it's the car. When the others (Hamilton, Alonso, Leclerc, etc.) do, it's the driver.



#55 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 12:00

Too somber in here.... both drivers will win races in 2019, one of them may even tomorrow. There was more in the car than what they wrought from it, scrappy Q for both of them.

 

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#56 malibu

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 05:38

As expected, Vettel is in another league. You are not 4 times world champion by coïncidence 



#57 Diablobb81

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:04

This is much worse than expected.

#58 Konsta

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:20

As expected, Vettel is in another league. You are not 4 times world champion by coïncidence 

What does this mean? Vettel is barely quicker than Leclerc and way slower than top3.



#59 malibu

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:23

What does this mean? Vettel is barely quicker than Leclerc and way slower than top3.

he is quicker in race trim but is the first one to have pited. He has to live with those tires until the end. Even lewis isn't making a gap to max with similar age tires 

Medium tires don't work on this ferrari (leclerc is in hard)


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#60 Konsta

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:28

he is quicker in race trim but is the first one to have pited. He has to live with those tires until the end. Even lewis isn't making a gap to max with similar age tires 

Medium tires don't work on this ferrari (leclerc is in hard)

Yes, Seb is error-free again but another league is what I'm questioning.



#61 malibu

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:32

Yes, Seb is error-free again but another league is what I'm questioning.

 

just check first part of the race data. Analysis is then biaised by strategy 

lewis (similar strategy to Vettel) is 25 second behind bottas and just in front of Max


Edited by malibu, 17 March 2019 - 06:36.


#62 malibu

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:34

On tv they say leclerc destroyed his tires but it looks like it's rather team orders 


Edited by malibu, 17 March 2019 - 06:34.


#63 SCUDmissile

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:38

Another Rueda masterclass it seems :loo:
Everyone going for the FL but these specials have no notice of it.

Slow AF and not making the most of their opportunities. Smh

#64 Shade

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:39

We're being idiotic. Just pit either Vet or Lec and get an easy +1 point. 

 

Only reason they didn't is because they are too conservative and don't want to push the engine.



#65 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:41

Quite speechless.

That gap isn’t track specific. Lots of weekends freed up!

#66 nookie

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:41

leclerc; welcome... to the real *screech* ferrari



#67 SirBadger

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:42

Is Ferrari a racing team? Team orders on Day 1, no attempt at FL, despite clear window to do so.

#68 RPM40

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:43

Why didn’t they let Charles pass? If he’s the faster driver on their first race together let him be.

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:45

We're being idiotic. Just pit either Vet or Lec and get an easy +1 point. 

just like mercedes told bottas, another stop would introduce uncertain elements into the equation that would jeopardize the position they already had. pitting again, for new tyres, risking failure just by pitting is a calculated risk. no-one gambled.

 

but... team-orders on the forking first race. now that's being idiotic!



#70 Maikel0230

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:45

While I'm not against the No1 status of Sebastian since he's the senior driver but team orders in race 1 is disgraceful. FFS show some class Ferrari.


Edited by Maikel0230, 17 March 2019 - 06:45.


#71 boillot

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:46

Really, team orders in race 1 :-)

#72 Ramses1348

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:47

Hope we find out that Seb had some issues, otherwise the season will be VERY long

#73 Cyanide

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:49

Disgrace.

#74 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:49

That was not a 50/50 scenario.

#75 GoldenColt

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:51

#1 status before the season has even started, lame. Leclerc deserved to have a go today.



#76 Massa_f1

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:51

Hope we find out that Seb had some issues, otherwise the season will be VERY long

 

I doubt he had issues. The car has been slow all weekend, and he was on very old tyres to everyone apart from Hamilton. That is the pace of Ferrari.



#77 TheFish

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:51

We're being idiotic. Just pit either Vet or Lec and get an easy +1 point.

Only reason they didn't is because they are too conservative and don't want to push the engine.


Yup, exactly this. Crazy not to pit Leclerc if he’s not allowed to challenge Vettel.

#78 SCUDmissile

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:51

https://twitter.com/...2338896903?s=19

Confirmed he was told to stay behind.

#79 JRodrigues

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:52

Fire Arrivabene. Now!



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#80 Jordan44

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:53

https://twitter.com/...2338896903?s=19

Confirmed he was told to stay behind.

 

Then surely it was a no brainer to pit him and try for fastest lap.

 

No signs of Ferrari's pit wall being more logical and organised this season.



#81 apoka

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:54

We're being idiotic. Just pit either Vet or Lec and get an easy +1 point.

Only reason they didn't is because they are too conservative and don't want to push the engine.


If that's the case, then the reliability problems are worse than I thought.

Drivers: Vettel was faster under the same conditions in the first stint. From mid race he dropped a lot and it seems there was confusion as to why. I guess we'll soon find out.

#82 SCUDmissile

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:54

Then surely it was a no brainer to pit him and try for fastest lap.

No signs of Ferrari's pit wall being more logical and organised this season.

Yep, they were never going to manage it in same conditions as the others with how slow they were.

https://twitter.com/...6125466624?s=19

But I guess they tried?

And yes it's perfectly possible that they were just that bad that they wouldn't have managed it even then.

1 minute behind, **** me

Edited by SCUDmissile, 17 March 2019 - 06:56.


#83 gramsy1977

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:54

We're being idiotic. Just pit either Vet or Lec and get an easy +1 point.

Only reason they didn't is because they are too conservative and don't want to push the engine.


Actually i think they saved themselves from getting more embarrassed. They knew they had no chance to set FL even with fresh tyres!

#84 Lights

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:55

So team orders from day 1. Leclerc is not allowed to have a go, neither do they pit him to try and get the fastest lap?

 

Welcome to team Vettel, Charles.

 

Charles wasn't performing any less than Vettel today.


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#85 CL16

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:55

Missing out on the fastest lap point.

Idiots.

#86 HermannH

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:56

Why didn’t they let Charles pass? If he’s the faster driver on their first race together let him be.

We know how it has been at Ferrari since 2015.

 

 

As expected, Vettel is in another league. You are not 4 times world champion by coïncidence 

 

Well, he was so much in another league that he needed a team order to beat leclerc.

https://twitter.com/...2338896903?s=19

Confirmed he was told to stay behind.

What a loser Leclerc is. Any serious racing driver would have gone for an overtake, not asked the team about it like that. Zero respect.



#87 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:56

I disagree strongly with hold position order, given that Leclerc was much faster, and IMO Leclerc is the better prospect for the overall season than Vettel.

 

However Ferrari are free to do what they wish.  :up:  :up:



#88 HermannH

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:57

So team orders from day 1. Leclerc is not allowed to have a go, neither do they pit him to try and get the fastest lap?

 

Welcome to team Vettel, Charles.

 

Charles wasn't performing any less than Vettel today.

 

Sadly, that is how it is.



#89 RPM40

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:57

So team orders from day 1. Leclerc is not allowed to have a go, neither do they pit him to try and get the fastest lap?

 

Welcome to team Vettel, Charles.

 

Charles wasn't performing any less than Vettel today.

 

Why are they so loyal to Seb? Charles is only 20 ffs, he could race there for another 15 years!



#90 boillot

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:58

Why are they so loyal to Seb? Charles is only 20 ffs, he could race there for another 15 years!

They don’t want to admit their blunder.

#91 HermannH

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:00

Why are they so loyal to Seb? Charles is only 20 ffs, he could race there for another 15 years!

Yeah, I wonder that too. He has cost them 2 WDC.



#92 ReAlien

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:01

That's a frigging disgrace for a team, not allowing Leclerc to overtake clumsy Vettel. Kudos to Charles for demonstrating that 4 seconds advantage in the last lap while Vettel was not slowing down.



#93 malibu

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:01

We know how it has been at Ferrari since 2015.

 

 

 

Well, he was so much in another league that he needed a team order to beat leclerc.

What a loser Leclerc is. Any serious racing driver would have gone for an overtake, not asked the team about it like that. Zero respect.

 

 

On similar conditions, Vettel was clearly faster. Ferrari brought in Vettel too early. Leclerc had younger tires and the hardest ones

Leclerc is fast but wasn't faster than Vettel



#94 anyeis

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:01

Leclerc wouldnt have been close to Vettel without huge delta in pitstops. Desperate like in Singapore to jump Hamilton

 

I dont think it would have been fair


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#95 kosmos

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:02

I hope they explain why they didn't pit Leclerc for that point, makes no sense, it was an easy point with zero risks. Team orders this soon when Mercedes is letting their drivers fight is lame, one way or the other this will bite them in the future.


Edited by kosmos, 17 March 2019 - 07:03.


#96 xtremeclock

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:02

Vettel had a 12s+ gap with Leclerc and then the team screws his strategy....massively.

 

But sure let them fight to finish in the same position P4-P5, sounds logical....


Edited by xtremeclock, 17 March 2019 - 07:03.


#97 Lights

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:03

Why are they so loyal to Seb? Charles is only 20 ffs, he could race there for another 15 years!

 

Yeah, I'm glad they didn't treat Ricciardo like this at Red Bull in 2014.



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:03

Don't start this already...Kimi fanboys moaning vibes.

Leclerc was nowhere in the first half of the race, Vettel had engine + wrong tyre problems in the second half.

It's ok to freeze positions, when you have nothing to gain in team's perspective.

The error was not to pit Leclerc for a new tyre to score a FL

Let's focus on developing this car rather than moaning about team orders..please

Edited by thegamer23, 17 March 2019 - 07:03.


#99 thefinalapex

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:03

We know how it has been at Ferrari since 2015.



Well, he was so much in another league that he needed a team order to beat leclerc.
What a loser Leclerc is. Any serious racing driver would have gone for an overtake, not asked the team about it like that. Zero respect.


Since 2015? You gonna tell me that it was any different with alonso?

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#100 KavB

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:05

Leclerc was nowhere near Vettel for most of the race. He only got close because Ferrari made yet another strategy blunder. Don't see what the outrage is in telling him to stay back.