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2019 Renault F1: Ricciardo, Hulk and other Enstone goings-on


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#1001 lbennie

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 07:55

I think it's more that doing a 1 stop starting on the softs used in Q2 was not optimal.



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#1002 gowebber

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:07

What’s with this narrative of Ricciardo not running at full pace in China, when he himself has stated otherwise?

 

Overall it was still a conservative strategy so we didn't get to see the true pace of what the car can do on a different strategy like a two stopper I think thats the key point some of us including myself are trying to make. It was clearly stated there was tyre management going on during the race so how can that equal driving at full pace all race?

 

"“He drove an intelligent race to conserve the tyres on a one-stop strategy, which we had to adopt to maintain position despite the challenge of starting on the soft tyres.”"

 

https://www.thecheck...oints-in-china/


Edited by gowebber, 19 April 2019 - 10:12.


#1003 Requiem84

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:13

Full pace, pushing,  call it what you like but overall it was still a conservative strategy so we didn't get to see what the true pace of what the car can do on a different strategy like a two stopper I think thats the key point some of us including myself are trying to make. It was clearly stated there was tyre management going on during the race so how can that equal driving at full pace all race?

 

Didn't the same apply to Perez' strategy though? 

 

So in a 1 stop strategy, Racing Point is not that much slower than Renault. 

 

But it seems reasonable to say that the gap to the top 3 teams problaby was higher than in reality.



#1004 Dratini

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:25

Didn't the same apply to Perez' strategy though? 

 

So in a 1 stop strategy, Racing Point is not that much slower than Renault. 

 

But it seems reasonable to say that the gap to the top 3 teams problaby was higher than in reality.

I'm not sure the state of the tyres that Perez started on, but unlike the Reno drivers he was free to start on fresh, unused rubber if he wanted to.



#1005 SenorSjon

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:31

In this era, we've only seen the Mercedes cars in full grunt once or twice in 2016 when Rosberg and Hamilton were running higher enigne modes to beat each other. Most of the time, teams won't go near max performance. 



#1006 goldenboy

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:50

Yeah, I don't think it's worth mentioning. It's not like he did a 1 stopper while everyone else did 3 or anything.

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 14:15

Really interesting insight by Mark Hughes into how Dan is coping and what he has had to adapt to driving with Renault. As mentioned previously the braking in particular he is starting to get used to which has been improved recently. Also mentioned how Dan hasn't lost his ability to make the tyres last despite moving to a new car and team.

 

"In the lead up to the China weekend, Ricciardo had been giving some insight into his initial difficulties with the car. The biggest problem was how it would not allow him to brake as aggressively as he is used to on the approach to corners.

 
A secondary problem was that its behaviour was more disrupted by driving it heavily over kerbs, requiring him to adapt his lines in some cases.
 
Both traits are, of course, consistent with a lower level of downforce. After years at Red Bull his muscle memory is attuned to being able to carry enormous entry speed and even combining the initial cornering phase with braking, something which the Pirelli tyres in general are intolerant of but which the Red Bull has always been able to ameliorate."

 

"But the one traditional strength of Ricciardo's that was evidently still very much intact at Shanghai was his magical way of making the tyre last in marginal conditions. Not only did he achieve his result using a one-stop strategy on a day when most were forced to migrate to a two-stop, he did it despite being obliged to start on the soft tyre (by courtesy of having made Q3)."
 
As the pit stop window opened for Ricciardo, he had to ensure he was more than a couple of seconds clear of Perez but without unduly stressing his more delicate tyres. Perez had been tracking him to within about 1.5s - which would comfortably have been enough for the Racing Point (and maybe the closely-following Raikkonen) to get ahead of the Renault around the stops.
 
But Ricciardo had judged his pace perfectly and was able to just ease out the 2s required. As Perez noted: "Every time I got close to him, he found the pace to pull away."
 

https://www.skysport...1-2019-progress


Edited by gowebber, 23 April 2019 - 14:24.


#1008 ARTGP

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 12:46

 

 

What are the main challenges of the Baku Street Circuit?
Braking is the biggest challenge there. It’s tricky and you have to commit and brake as late as you can, especially at Turns 1 and 3 after the straights. When you aim to brake late, it means you’re constantly on the limit and there is no room for error. You have to find that limit under braking and that is probably the hardest part to get right in Baku because the walls are close. We’ve seen in the past there any small error means you’re in the wall and it’s game over.

 

Sounds like a nightmare circuit for Ricciardo with this RS19 then...



#1009 gowebber

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 03:57

Sounds like a nightmare circuit for Ricciardo with this RS19 then...

 

Hopefully not as bad as we think and Dan's skills on the brakes can compensate but who knows.

 

Anyway to digress looks like Helmut and Dan have been having a few wagers lol

 

https://www.motorspo...-marko/4375758/


Edited by gowebber, 26 April 2019 - 03:57.


#1010 Flasheart

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 13:43

Really interesting insight by Mark Hughes.

https://www.skysport...1-2019-progress


Mark Hughes is one of the few well regarded analysts left in the Autosport/Motorsport stable. He knows what he’s on about.
Thanks GoWebber.

#1011 lbennie

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 13:57

Dan looks like he's really struggling with the brakes here 



#1012 SenorSjon

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 13:58

Perhaps cooling down too much on the long straight?



#1013 Flasheart

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:09

He does Ibennie, but he’s not Robinson Crusoe there. Chandhock said he was the first one to be getting close to the walls, so he’s obviously testing the limits. Unfortunately the big flat spots are making longer runs difficult.

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:11

Despite the lack of mileage thanks to FP1 being canned and only 15 laps on the board in FP2, Daniel Ricciardo's Friday running is over.
 
The Renault driver's session has come to an end because he's used up his allocation of tyres.
 
 
 
From the live commentary on motorsport.com. I can't believe he has used 2-3 sets in FP2?

Edited by SenorSjon, 26 April 2019 - 14:12.


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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:15

He's definitely flat spotted 2 sets.

 

WHat's happened with the Hulk? bad luck with red flag timing?


Edited by lbennie, 26 April 2019 - 14:16.


#1016 Flasheart

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:15

Dan has wrecked both sets of softs apparently. Not ideal.

Snap Ibennie

Edited by Flasheart, 26 April 2019 - 14:17.


#1017 ARTGP

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:26

This weekend is already starting to sound like a weekend of pain. Ricciardo getting all he can handle on the brakes. Nico complaining about the car "unloading" on the brakes.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:29

I'm usually optimistic but his is not looking good. If you can't get the brakes right here you are in serious trouble. It's like Haas used to be all over again.


Edited by vee10, 26 April 2019 - 14:30.


#1019 lbennie

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:44

Pitching forward under breaking might be disrupting the seal on the difusser.



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#1020 rootten

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:51

This has to be the race where Renault deliver. No excuses



#1021 lbennie

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 14:55

This has to be the race where Renault deliver. No excuses

 

Well it's looking pretty grim right now mate  :lol:



#1022 gowebber

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 15:08

Yeah not looking all that great at the moment but a few cars locking up and going into the escape roads. Could be worse, could be resorting to a 3rd chassis due to being taken out my a drain cover like poor old Williams. Cyril said they are probably going to go with a higher downforce setting for Saturday much like what Ferrari is doing.



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Posted 27 April 2019 - 01:37

Both Ricciardo and Hulk confident they can turn things around on Saturday.

 

https://www.formula1...rt_it_out'.html

 

https://www.formula1...rcome_this.html



#1024 Flasheart

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 02:41

The low grip surface is compounding the braking issues. The positive this is, the track evolves really quickly, so not all is lost. The bloke underneath that manhole cover holding it down, didn’t do anyone any favours, especially Russell!

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 03:33

Yeah the tricky part is committing to a higher downforce setup or waiting for the track evolution with lower DF setup.


Edited by gowebber, 27 April 2019 - 03:35.


#1026 Laster

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 08:25

From Albert Fabrega’s twitter feed half an hour ago - “Engine and gearbox of Hulkerberg 's car not yet fixed to the chasis. They keep low downforce configuration.”

Hulk wanted changes done to the brakes and the rims to resolve the warm up issues, so it might be he tries that method while Ricc tries using more downforce.

#1027 Laster

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 11:03

Looks like they’ve improved since yesterday, but their pace is still pretty poor, so obviously this will be the grand prix where reliability won’t be an issue. This does look like it’s going to be a tough race for them unfortunately, so they maybe dependent on others making errors come race day.

I think Ricciardo’s time flatters to deceive also, his last sector was a lot faster than Hulk’s like he got a tow down that main straight. Otherwise they’re pretty equal in the first sector, and Ricc was two tenths quicker in the middle sector.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 11:34

They'll be lucky to make Q3 the way it's looking at the moment.



#1029 RPM40

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 11:41

Wasn’t this track meant to suit the car? It looks like Ferrari is in a different formula so far

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 11:49

I think Ricciardo’s time flatters to deceive also, his last sector was a lot faster than Hulk’s like he got a tow down that main straight.

 

yeah, he had a good tow from the Williams



#1031 lbennie

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 11:51

S3 is just 1 corner and the straight, yeah?



#1032 lbennie

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:19

Hulk struggling big time



#1033 pryanjack

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:20

Amateur hour ...

#1034 RPM40

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:22

Dan significantly faster but that car has no pace

#1035 BCM

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:22

McLaren are making Renault look like pretty average.



#1036 Laster

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:23

It’s never been a good circuit for Hulk, but Renault is really far off the pace this weekend.

#1037 Ivanhoe

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:24

Dan squeezed everything out of the car in that final lap, car has no grip and pace though. Renault looking to be in a bad position.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:24

Here to see Neno's reaction...

I mean that is embarrassing for Renault. No longer are McLaren the joke.

#1039 RPM40

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:29

Dan squeezed everything out of the car in that final lap, car has no grip and pace though. Renault looking to be in a bad position.


Did he slow down over the line due to the red flag.

I’m surprised by the nearly full second gap to Hulk.

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#1040 Thatfastguy

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:30

Embarrassing...

#1041 lbennie

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:33

Embarrassing...

 

Waiting for all your red bull mates to come in with the likes  :lol:



#1042 Ivanhoe

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:35

Did he slow down over the line due to the red flag.
I’m surprised by the nearly full second gap to Hulk.

Not sure, think he had a nice tow from Stroll in the last sector.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:36

Fantastic. Might as well switch all focus to the 2020 car right now. Not that I'll have high hopes even then.


Edited by Anja, 27 April 2019 - 13:36.


#1044 Laster

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:37

From that interview Hulk really has no faith in the car around here. Must be affecting him a lot more with Dan prepared to attack.

#1045 mwf1

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:37

its not good



#1046 stillwater

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:38

Waiting for all your red bull mates to come in with the likes  :lol:

 

 

He is right though.

This is embarrassing.

Although not as embarrassing as the submarines Oz thought they purchased.



#1047 Ivanhoe

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:38

From that interview Hulk really has no faith in the car around here. Must be affecting him a lot more with Dan prepared to attack.


Dan sure was prepared to attack, but man, that car was sliding all over the place, terrible grip.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:41

Waiting for all your red bull mates to come in with the likes :lol:


So how would you describe their performance?

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:41

Hulk's radio  :lol:  :(

 

Hulk "What was the gap"

Team "about 1 second"

Hulk "ouch"



#1050 lbennie

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 13:42

He is right though.

This is embarrassing.

Although not as embarrassing as the submarines Oz thought they purchased.

 

Oh yeah. Cyril should be clearing his desk.