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#4201 goldenboy

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:28

What a mess...
Hulkenberg was faster driver in the Q, but he didn't converted it into much better track position thanks to Renault. He made a great start and got stuck in the train.
Dan has got clean air most of the race thanks to the strategy and his gap over next car says it all...

Better not to comment how idiotic it looked like when I watched HUL vs GAS battle and Perez appeared unexpectedly...

Nico is P10, because somebody wave the checkered flag too early.
I won't be surprised if they don't penalize Gasly...

What did renault do to sabotage hulk?

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#4202 rocque

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:32

What did renault do to sabotage hulk?

Technical issue with the car. He went to the pits instead of driving second timed lap in Q2. 



#4203 speedx

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 08:05

They had different strategies from the start, Hulk started on soft and made a magic first lap. Dan went with the mediums which proved to be better chose from the beginning.

But never mind, this big update is great. What did they develop this year? Every update got them further back. Thankfully car was good on some tracks like Montreal and Monza where they scored massive points. Otherwise they would be even further back on points...

Disappointing season.

#4204 gowebber

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 08:20

Dan confirmed on Sky post race a rear suspension issue in qualli hampered their pace. Said they were good enough to make Q3.

Edited by gowebber, 13 October 2019 - 08:23.


#4205 speedx

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 09:12

Race report:https://www.renaults...per-sunday.html

Double points finish!

Edited by speedx, 13 October 2019 - 09:13.


#4206 RPM40

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 09:28

p6 for Dan after the leclerc penalty. Not bad for recovering from the back of the grid



#4207 Lemojn

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 09:32

Oh dear...

 

"Racing Point has lodged a protest against both Renault cars for their "pre-set lap distance-dependent brake bias adjustment system""

https://twitter.com/...8604327936?s=19

 

 

https://twitter.com/...9774837760?s=19

^ this tweet has the actual steward reports.


Edited by Lemojn, 13 October 2019 - 09:36.


#4208 Laster

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 09:38

Well the aftermath of this race has been quite something. Hulk is ninth, no he’s tenth, but Dan is actually 6th, except they may both be thrown out of the points.

Getting a bit silly now.

#4209 goldenboy

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 10:39

Love a good technical controversy though.

Never gonna be a top team without pushing those grey areas...

#4210 gowebber

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 12:24

Ricciardo post race interview. Bit more about the car and how it felt in qualli too. Seems to have been a bit on the wacky juice again post race though.  :lol:

 

https://www.formula1...s_morning'.html


Edited by gowebber, 13 October 2019 - 12:25.


#4211 rocque

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 18:22

I checked today's race once again and it's unbelieveable what they did.

 

http://en.mclarenf-1...Nico Hulkenberg

http://en.mclarenf-1...Nico Hulkenberg

 

https://twitter.com/...284675655196672

https://twitter.com/...240188706938880

 

42th minute of the race:

#F1 #JapaneseGP #Mercedes to Hamilton: "The [tyre] deg is much higher, one-stop will be a struggle."

https://twitter.com/...259173930315776

 

Why didn't they switch Nico's strategy to two stopper? He was losing time behind slower cars, they saw Dan's pace.

Leclerc was ducking 6s ahead of Dan... it could be easily P7 & P8 on the finish line and P6 & P7 including the penalty. The order is the least important right now.

The strategy department is in Europe and they were sleeping the whole race or monsieur "efficiency spending" Abiteboul has to justify 30$ million expense on a driver and he was unhappy, because Nico and Dan were match on points?  :evil:

 

Hope they will be disqualified.



#4212 Casey

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 19:40

Ricciardo post race interview. Bit more about the car and how it felt in qualli too. Seems to have been a bit on the wacky juice again post race though.  :lol:

 

https://www.formula1...s_morning'.html

https://www.ziggospo...c5326a-mp4.html

 

He is nuts !

Check the guy next to them  :lol:


Edited by Casey, 13 October 2019 - 19:42.


#4213 stillwater

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 02:06

I checked today's race once again and it's unbelieveable what they did.

 

http://en.mclarenf-1...Nico Hulkenberg

http://en.mclarenf-1...Nico Hulkenberg

 

https://twitter.com/...284675655196672

https://twitter.com/...240188706938880

 

42th minute of the race:

#F1 #JapaneseGP #Mercedes to Hamilton: "The [tyre] deg is much higher, one-stop will be a struggle."

https://twitter.com/...259173930315776

 

Why didn't they switch Nico's strategy to two stopper? He was losing time behind slower cars, they saw Dan's pace.

Leclerc was ducking 6s ahead of Dan... it could be easily P7 & P8 on the finish line and P6 & P7 including the penalty. The order is the least important right now.

The strategy department is in Europe and they were sleeping the whole race or monsieur "efficiency spending" Abiteboul has to justify 30$ million expense on a driver and he was unhappy, because Nico and Dan were match on points?  :evil:

 

Hope they will be disqualified.

 

I am confused...

You think if they put NH on a 2 stop strategy he would have been closer to or ahead of DR



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Posted 14 October 2019 - 02:36

I am confused...

You think if they put NH on a 2 stop strategy he would have been closer to or ahead of DR

 

I think he means closer to. However, I don't get why they overcut Stroll when Nico was obviously stuck behind him coz of the straightline advantage.



#4215 stillwater

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 02:48

I think he means closer to. However, I don't get why they overcut Stroll when Nico was obviously stuck behind him coz of the straightline advantage.

 

Imagine how pissed us DR fans would be if a 2 stop was better strategy and they put NH on it but left DR out to dry as they have in so many other races

Especially since DR said after the race, he wanted to come in but the team made the call to keep him out longer

 

I dont think they messed up too badly with strategy at this race. but normally... THEY SUCK


Edited by stillwater, 14 October 2019 - 02:50.


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Posted 14 October 2019 - 02:57

Any ideea what is the issue with the RP complaint?
What is Pre-Fixed brake bias, how does it work and is it really ilegal?

#4217 stillwater

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 03:26

Any ideea what is the issue with the RP complaint?
What is Pre-Fixed brake bias, how does it work and is it really ilegal?

 

Pre-Fixed brake bias is when a system in the car alters the break bias in a predetermined way over the duration of a race.

They do this because as the vehicle weight changes the break distribution needs to be altered to keep the handling consistent.

This alteration is supposed to be done by the driver as they feel the need

 

Yes its illegal IF its done in the strait up way it used to be done (electronically, or mechanically by weight etc)

 

However... there are always clever people who work out how to break the spirit of a law without breaking the letter of the law

We have to hope the people at Renault are that smart... I think we are stuffed



#4218 v@sh

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 07:22

I checked today's race once again and it's unbelieveable what they did.

 

http://en.mclarenf-1...Nico Hulkenberg

http://en.mclarenf-1...Nico Hulkenberg

 

https://twitter.com/...284675655196672

https://twitter.com/...240188706938880

 

42th minute of the race:

#F1 #JapaneseGP #Mercedes to Hamilton: "The [tyre] deg is much higher, one-stop will be a struggle."

https://twitter.com/...259173930315776

 

Why didn't they switch Nico's strategy to two stopper? He was losing time behind slower cars, they saw Dan's pace.

Leclerc was ducking 6s ahead of Dan... it could be easily P7 & P8 on the finish line and P6 & P7 including the penalty. The order is the least important right now.

The strategy department is in Europe and they were sleeping the whole race or monsieur "efficiency spending" Abiteboul has to justify 30$ million expense on a driver and he was unhappy, because Nico and Dan were match on points?  :evil:

 

Hope they will be disqualified.

 

I don't see why you go straight to Nico/Dan matched on points and hope for them to be disqualified.

 

If you haven't seen in this thread already, Renault are just absolutely rubbish at strategy. They might get one strategy right from time to time for ONE driver but not both at the same time so I don't see why are you are surprised.

 

They got it just right with DR with his strategy, they were trying to get him within the 25 lap stint for the softs even if his lap times were suffering. In past races, they probably would have kept DR out even longer.

 

Ricciardo was able to overtake both RP on mediums while they were on softs in the first stint. Hulk was not able to overtake the RP on the same tires, that's partly the reason why Hulk could not make his strategy work and why they gave Ricciardo a go at the RP in the final stint. Can't blame it all on strategy (though a lot of the time you can with Renault!).

 

Similar to Hungary where Ricciardo could not get past KMag on much faster tires in the final stint. If he had, he would have beaten Hulk that round I reckon but he never got past KMag.



#4219 rocque

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 10:46

 

If you haven't seen in this thread already, Renault are just absolutely rubbish at strategy. They might get one strategy right from time to time for ONE driver but not both at the same time so I don't see why are you are surprised.

 

Nico didn't scored big points when they messed up with Dan.

At Spa they were lucky with two unexpected DNFs, a bit earlier there was only one point on the table.

Dan also had a damaged car. He didn't question driving the whole race on mediums and it's as strange as Renault didn't change Dan's tyres after Nico's suggestion in his own case.

 

Ricciardo was able to overtake both RP on mediums while they were on softs in the first stint. 

Can't blame it all on strategy (though a lot of the time you can with Renault!).

No.

He overtook only Perez. One lap later Perez went to the pits.

You didn't check what RP did with Perez. They made Renault fools. Tyre delta helps a lot with overtaking...

 

I am confused...

You think if they put NH on a 2 stop strategy he would have been closer to or ahead of DR

"Closer" is the right answer. 


Edited by rocque, 14 October 2019 - 10:54.


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#4220 Laster

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 13:47

Similar to Hungary where Ricciardo could not get past KMag on much faster tires in the final stint. If he had, he would have beaten Hulk that round I reckon but he never got past KMag.

Hulk’s engine went into safe mode early in the race there costing him about three tenths a lap. So I guess you’re not wrong, Dan probably would have beaten him.

#4221 stillwater

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 04:13

Nico didn't scored big points when they messed up with Dan.

At Spa they were lucky with two unexpected DNFs, a bit earlier there was only one point on the table.

Dan also had a damaged car. He didn't question driving the whole race on mediums and it's as strange as Renault didn't change Dan's tyres after Nico's suggestion in his own case.

No.

He overtook only Perez. One lap later Perez went to the pits.

You didn't check what RP did with Perez. They made Renault fools. Tyre delta helps a lot with overtaking...

 

"Closer" is the right answer. 

 

 

OK... so

You do know that the Renault strategy guys are intellectual muppets right ?

The odds of them making a good pit call for either driver are slim to none.

They would do better just flipping a coin, atleast that would be right 50% of the time.

 

On tracks where passing is hard they leave the guys in traffic expecting them to make magic happen.

Tracks with high tire wear they go for crazy long runs.

When the pace is falling of a cliff... they leave the car out lap after lap after lap.

 

They could not do a worse job if they were actually TRYING to stuff up. :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:


Edited by stillwater, 15 October 2019 - 04:14.


#4222 v@sh

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 07:42

Nico didn't scored big points when they messed up with Dan.

At Spa they were lucky with two unexpected DNFs, a bit earlier there was only one point on the table.

Dan also had a damaged car. He didn't question driving the whole race on mediums and it's as strange as Renault didn't change Dan's tyres after Nico's suggestion in his own case.

No.

He overtook only Perez. One lap later Perez went to the pits.

You didn't check what RP did with Perez. They made Renault fools. Tyre delta helps a lot with overtaking...

 

"Closer" is the right answer. 

 

Dan also did not score big points when he was in big points paying positions when the strategy was a fail e.g. Monaco.

 

At Spa it was just dumb by Renault, sure DR got rear ended by the RP at the start but he pace was decent even with the damage but they kept him out of the harder tire practically the whole race. He was 6s behind Albon when Albon pitted for his final stint after DR worked his way up but DR ended up way behind Albon in the end because instead of Renault pitting him at the same time as Albon they left him out.There were points on offer. You are right in that DR didn't question it during the race but as I've said before, it goes both ways. The team should be relaying him the info and also for DR to ask.

 

Actually Ricciardo overtook Perez on lap 16, Perez went into the pits on lap 20. Not one lap later...it's easy to make Renault look like fools regardless because they just suck.

 

Tire delta does make a difference, but Ricciardo still made it work as he overtook both Alfas, both Haas and Perez at the start of the stint when they were ALL on the softer tire while he was on the mediums. You cannot just point to tire delta at the end of the stint when it suits.

 

As for what the team did with Hulk vs Perez. RP took a gamble, they put him on a 2-stopper which put him back 23s (with 10 laps to go! which is a lot to make up in general) behind Hulk and eventually caught up. The one-stop was still fine with Hulk but do you why it didn't work for Hulk and he ended up where he was? Because it was Hulk's inability to get past Stroll and Gasly who he was basically stuck behind the whole race. He gets past those two and Hulk has a pretty good race and does not get caught by Perez on the 2 stopper. As I've said previously DR made his strategy work with his overtakes. Hulk did not.

 

The Renault strategy seemed like trying for a 1 stopper for both drivers. Just the inverse, Hulk softs for 25 laps (Pirelli rated last life), 35 on medium though the degradation of the tires were greater for some teams moreso than others.

 

Hulk’s engine went into safe mode early in the race there costing him about three tenths a lap. So I guess you’re not wrong, Dan probably would have beaten him.

 

Correct, another Renault reliability issue. In the end Dan did not, couldn't get passed KMag but the strategy was also a bit naff in Hungary for Dan in that I reckon they kept him out 5 laps too long as he was bleeding time already at that stage and he had less laps to make a comeback.

 

Hulk definitely has had his share of unreliability. One thing is for sure, Hulks first laps are mega. DR still sucks at those.


Edited by v@sh, 15 October 2019 - 08:00.


#4223 rocque

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:11

Dan also did not score big points when he was in big points paying positions when the strategy was a fail e.g. Monaco.

Hulkenberg could join top10 with undercut on softs, but Leclerc rammed him. In terms of HUL vs RIC it was some kind of a draw.

 

 

Actually Ricciardo overtook Perez on lap 16, Perez went into the pits on lap 20. Not one lap later...it's easy to make Renault look like fools regardless because they just suck.

 

Tire delta does make a difference, but Ricciardo still made it work as he overtook both Alfas, both Haas and Perez at the start of the stint when they were ALL on the softer tire while he was on the mediums. You cannot just point to tire delta at the end of the stint when it suits.

 

My bad, he passed him earlier.

Both Alfas started on mediums. Alfa and Haas were much slower in the race, so their cars were easier to overtake. Gasly's train was untouchable for them.

 

As for what the team did with Hulk vs Perez. RP took a gamble, they put him on a 2-stopper which put him back 23s (with 10 laps to go! which is a lot to make up in general) behind Hulk and eventually caught up. The one-stop was still fine with Hulk but do you why it didn't work for Hulk and he ended up where he was? Because it was Hulk's inability to get past Stroll and Gasly who he was basically stuck behind the whole race. He gets past those two and Hulk has a pretty good race and does not get caught by Perez on the 2 stopper. As I've said previously DR made his strategy work with his overtakes. Hulk did not.

 

https://twitter.com/...810417799286784

If Perez was that fast, why he didn't overtake him on mediums? It was an absolute humilation.

You need to be a complete amateur to fail with such a big advantage like Dan or Checo had. Dan built 12,3s gap over Gasly in four laps. I suppose Stroll destroyed his tyres and it was the only reason why he lost a battle against Nico... on lap 47.

 

I don't know how you can sum it up with the statement like the last sentence.

 

Basically everybody, who was racing with other cars (except guys on "no man's land" like Sainz or Kvyat) added one stop to their strategy.



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Posted 15 October 2019 - 11:57

Hulkenberg could join top10 with undercut on softs, but Leclerc rammed him. In terms of HUL vs RIC it was some kind of a draw.

 

My bad, he passed him earlier.

Both Alfas started on mediums. Alfa and Haas were much slower in the race, so their cars were easier to overtake. Gasly's train was untouchable for them.

 

https://twitter.com/...810417799286784

If Perez was that fast, why he didn't overtake him on mediums? It was an absolute humilation.

You need to be a complete amateur to fail with such a big advantage like Dan or Checo had. Dan built 12,3s gap over Gasly in four laps. I suppose Stroll destroyed his tyres and it was the only reason why he lost a battle against Nico... on lap 47.

 

I don't know how you can sum it up with the statement like the last sentence.

 

Basically everybody, who was racing with other cars (except guys on "no man's land" like Sainz or Kvyat) added one stop to their strategy.

Similarly, how can you surmise that it was a draw between Dan and Nico? The former drove a superb race; the kind we have seldom seen from Nico.



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Posted 15 October 2019 - 12:13

Similarly, how can you surmise that it was a draw between Dan and Nico? The former drove a superb race; the kind we have seldom seen from Nico.

Ricciardo scored less points instead of P5, Hulkenberg scored nothing instead of at least small points. Circumstances affected them both, so I it was "a draw".

I didn't mean Hulkenberg was as good as Ricciardo during Monaco GP weekend.



#4226 goldenboy

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 13:28

Pretty boring and feels useless to compare these guys on different strategies in midfield cars starting towards the back.

Dan had an amazing and strong recovery and Nico's first lap was insane. Thankfully neither of them did a goofball move this time.

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 20:40

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#4228 gowebber

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 20:45

Nice onboard of Hulks mega start. Threading the needle there a couple of times.

https://www.formula1...lean_start.html



#4229 gowebber

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 20:49

 

Man those Renaults launch hard off the line. Some really good low down grunt there.



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Posted 16 October 2019 - 02:23


I don't know how you can sum it up with the statement like the last sentence.

 

Basically everybody, who was racing with other cars (except guys on "no man's land" like Sainz or Kvyat) added one stop to their strategy.

 

:rotfl:

 

You complained about Nico's strategy against Perez's strategy in the last post, I gave you a breakdown of what happened between the two strategies and basically summised why Nico did not make his strategy work against Perez because he did not make the required overtakes to be out of range of Perez at the end.

 

Now you complain about the tire life of other cars instead. My last sentence still stays the same, DR made his strategy work, Nico did not.

 

If DR does not make his overtakes in his first stint or his last stint, he would be nowhere close to where he did end up finishing and be stuck behind cars.

 

The one stopper only worked if the degradation was not as bad as other cars and you got in within the tire life window or like you said with Sainz, you have the pace/clear air/gaps back in traffic to make it work without pressure.

 

Just because you think adding one extra stop would have helped Nico based on Perez doesn't necessarily mean it would have been better. Had Nico passed Stroll/Gasly during the race, Nico would have finished behind Sainz with a comfortable gap but neither of those happened and Perez going on a two-stopper would have been moot which was your main complaint in your previous post.



#4231 rocque

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 10:42

 

You complained about Nico's strategy against Perez's strategy in the last post, I gave you a breakdown of what happened between the two strategies and basically summised why Nico did not make his strategy work against Perez because he did not make the required overtakes to be out of range of Perez at the end.

 

Now you complain about the tire life of other cars instead. My last sentence still stays the same, DR made his strategy work, Nico did not.

 

If DR does not make his overtakes in his first stint or his last stint, he would be nowhere close to where he did end up finishing and be stuck behind cars.

https://www.motorspo...ese-gp/4558330/

Haas was in the same league. Extremely hard overtakes with Haases and Alfas here:

https://www.youtube....h?v=JUe6CSJl6II

Gasly was slowing down other drivers, so Dan closed the gap without any issues.

You're ignoring the fact Dan had multiple times easier task to do with his strategy. I showed it with Checo's case. It's also visible with the way Dan passed Stroll and Gasly. Using softs near the end of the race made the difference.

Different opinion in this case is an insult for Nico as a driver. Nico with fresh tyres vs Norris without fresh tyres:

https://youtu.be/p-44QkD_pWo?t=47

 

 

Just because you think adding one extra stop would have helped Nico based on Perez doesn't necessarily mean it would have been better. Had Nico passed Stroll/Gasly during the race, Nico would have finished behind Sainz with a comfortable gap but neither of those happened and Perez going on a two-stopper would have been moot which was your main complaint in your previous post.

Who cares about Sainz? I mentioned him as an exception, because the majority used two-stopper, but Renault didn't draw conclusions...

They had a pit window for Nico since L29 (Dan's pit) to L41 (Checo's pit). He could easily finish ahead of Gasly, but they screwed. It's hard to admit...


Edited by rocque, 16 October 2019 - 10:46.


#4232 rocque

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 15:45

"I mean at the time we was on the reverse strategy so he had really young soft tyres and he had a lot of pace in the car," Hulkenberg added. "For the team's sake it was no question to do that and as you saw he went past everyone very easily.

"We were all stuck behind Gasly as he was holding up the pack. He was massively fast on the straights which was the problem so it was really hard to go by him but in the corners, he was just holding everybody back so I spent the whole second stint in traffic and obviously that eats into your tyre life and makes things quite difficult."

 

Exactly what I said.

https://www.gptoday....rs19-hulkenberg


Edited by rocque, 16 October 2019 - 15:46.


#4233 gowebber

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 09:51

Dan says he is still happy he is with Renault.

 

https://www.gpfans.c...-anything-more/



#4234 Flasheart

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 14:05

Renault shares have taken a big hit. Sales/revenue are down. Not all is well at the parent company. Who know what this means for the sport programs. It’s less than ideal, that’s for sure.
If the findings of this brake malarkey come down on the wrong side (I have no idea), and there are financial penalties, good luck trying to justify that at head office. Cyril will want to put his best snake oil salesman suit on for that meeting.
😐

#4235 stillwater

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 16:29

going to take a miracle to turn this ^%$# show around.

 

Their design team is lost at sea 

Management are full of ^%$#

Race day management is armature hour

Parent company is bleeding red ink

and that light at the end of the tunnel is not what they are hoping.



#4236 mwf1

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:11

since the brake thing ricciardo has done an interview and no mention of it werent they supposed to give a decision by Wednesday already gone



#4237 Marklar

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:25

Wednesday was deadline for Renault to submit their version of the story, not for the decision

#4238 mwf1

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 10:28

ahh ok



#4239 mwf1

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 10:38

ricciardo driving a supercar

http://www.gptoday.c..._a_V8_Supercar/



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#4240 gowebber

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 08:50

Nice onboards of Dans overtaking at Suzuka. Can also hear his engineer remind him to reset the brake bias. Is he doing it every lap? Looks like he's changing the bias regularly halfway down the wheel, pressing it after the hairpin before spoon curve.

https://streamable.com/s53qn


Edited by gowebber, 20 October 2019 - 21:19.


#4241 Flasheart

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 08:50

That was done a little while ago, but good to watch again. Dan just loves having fun. A lot of formula drivers (and fans 🙄) turn their noses up at Supercars, and tin tops in general. Would love to see him on the Mountain one day.

#4242 beachdrifter

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 23:59

autobild reports on speculation from France that the new Renault CEO might pull the plug on F1

 

https://www.autobild...t-15819723.html

 

Nothing substantial there, but we'll see if this kind of talk will intensify. 



#4243 beachdrifter

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 20:30

Renault has had both its cars disqualified from Formula 1's Japanese Grand Prix for using an illegal driver aid

 

As a result, Daniel Ricciardo and Nico Hulkenberg have been stripped of their seventh and ninth place finishes.

 

https://www.autospor...egal-driver-aid

 

They always find a way. 


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#4244 RPM40

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 21:08

 sad, what a strong result and points haul for them gone



#4245 gowebber

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 21:13

Yep can't get a break pardon the pun  :well:



#4246 GTA

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 22:03

Hulk must look at the silver lining. He gets dropped from the team whom he got millions for in WCC money over the last 2 years.  

 

But he is leaving a sinking ship on a lifeboat and also avoided the shambles that is Haas. Wherever he lands up it surely will be better than Renault. He has a few races to outscore DR and leave on a high as they are tied on 34 now. 

 

Until Cyril leaves, they are not going to be anywhere. First Red Bull and now Mclaren abandon them for greener pastures and their car is a POS.   



#4247 gowebber

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 22:45

Hope Renault flog Racing Point (and obviously beat McLaren as well) for the rest of the year. Would be funny if they string together a series of best results without the use of the BB system to finish the year off. How do ya like them apples RP. No doubt Ricciardo, Hulk and the team will be really pissed off with this ruling, basically even more determined than ever now.  Bring on Mexico!


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#4248 Reddington

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 23:40

...Would be funny if they string together a series of best results without the use of the BB system to finish the year off...

Would be funny indeed, Renault using a system for that long that would actually make them slower. But then, being Renault, that might actually happen.

Shame to see the drivers lose their points though. I get it, they had benefit too, but still. It’s not that they actually had a say in it.

Edited by Reddington, 23 October 2019 - 23:42.


#4249 gowebber

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 23:48

Would be funny indeed, Renault using a system for that long that would actually make them slower. But then, being Renault, that might actually happen.

Shame to see the drivers lose their points though. I get it, they had benefit too, but still. It’s not that they actually had a say in it.

 

Yeah in particular Dan who had a really good result netting 6th. Going to be extremely hard to catch McLaren now. Will need alot of luck.


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#4250 gowebber

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 23:53

So apparently one of Hulks ex engineers ratted them out to RP. I suspect he won't be too welcome around the Renault guys in the paddock at Mexico. Could be quite a bit of tension in the paddock between RP and Renault.

 

"According to Auto Motor und Sport, Racing Point managed to identify the case because of a personnel change. The engineer who flagged the problem up previously worked on Hulkenberg's car. The engineer switched teams during the summer break. "

 

https://www.gpblog.c...ing-system.html