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#501 MadYarpen

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 20:08

Camera  I think



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#502 DrProzac

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 21:01

It looked loose before he run wide on the curb.



#503 ClubmanGT

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 21:08

Speechless. 



#504 DanardiF1

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 21:11

What was it that flew off - front wing element? 

 

I think it was the front camera pod



#505 Abbys

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 21:13

Kubica no floor change, contrary to some reports.

The drivers should swap the cars, maybe that would help identify the "aero" problem

It seems that it might be the case in the test following the GP, the both got asked that question. It would be great if they could understand it. It's such a waste of time for the Team if the data from one car is useless for another. Fingers crossed they can identify it. Russell said in one of the interviews that it's like they're running different front wing angles, and they're not. That's just mind blowing, there is something crazy going on with these cars...



#506 RacingGreen

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 23:55

Does anyone have any news on the Williams team becoming Pirelli's tyre testers for the new 2021 rubber that was reported earlier in the month. Would this allow them to do additional testing on this years car or give them some Pirelli funding to build a "mule" to test future compounds (assuming they accept the offer and have the resources.) ?



#507 NoForumForOldPole

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 00:38

Hell, RK, in a car that falls apart on the kerbs, matching F2 champ's time - ain't bad at all.

However bits and pieces falling off the car during the q run is a whole new level for 16x World Champions for sure.

Hopefully Head will bring enough knowledge and wisdom to steer this legendary team into right direction... and save Claire's corporate arse.

Edited by NoForumForOldPole, 31 March 2019 - 00:40.


#508 tghik

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 01:52

I don't know the specifics, I'm not there, but seeing how fragile this car is, I would verify how aero parts react "under load", their flexing. It can be very frustrating to find such a problem

 

One way to find it is to methodically change part after part and see the behavior change but knowing Williams philosophy and their finances they won't do it. Another would be a catastrophic failure from stress fatigue, but if it is a major component, it may never occur.

 

Bad manufacturing (especially first parts produced for Robert's car) could be the reason why there are differences between RK's and GR's car.



#509 PayasYouRace

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 07:31

Hell, RK, in a car that falls apart on the kerbs, matching F2 champ's time - ain't bad at all.

However bits and pieces falling off the car during the q run is a whole new level for 16x World Champions for sure.

Hopefully Head will bring enough knowledge and wisdom to steer this legendary team into right direction... and save Claire's corporate arse.

 

I still think you're trying to inflate their past success to make them look worse today by counting WDCs and WCCs in the same season separately.



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 08:26

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Two corners before the finish RK was 0.3s quicker, what a shame that camera fell off. Anyway, even with combined sectors FW42 is slower than miserable FW41 last year...


Edited by cravenciak, 31 March 2019 - 08:29.


#511 absinthedude

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 08:29

If the car is damaged, why are the FIA allowing it to be driven??

Because it is not deemed unsafe. It has passed scrutineering. 



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:30

Wow just watched the clip of Claires brother. Instantly did not like the guy. 100% that CW is the right sibling for the TP role, there is something smarmy and agitated about his attitude and how he responds. Massive chips on his shoulder, you can detect the power hungry issues a mile off. 



#513 NoForumForOldPole

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:32

I still think you're trying to inflate their past success to make them look worse today by counting WDCs and WCCs in the same season separately.


One can say half a million or 500k. Both mean the same regardless of intention.

Edited by NoForumForOldPole, 31 March 2019 - 09:35.


#514 GoldenEra

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:32

Russell:

“There is definitely a difference. That was clear.

“Obviously yesterday it was working very much against him, who knows maybe today it worked in favour of him just because it’s so different.

“It doesn’t mean his is incorrect and mine’s correct, just there is a difference there.

“If you looked at the data you’d presume we’re running different wing levels but we’re not.

“It’s not drastic it’s just different, and it shouldn’t be different, so that’s something we need to look into.

“It doesn’t mean one’s right or one’s wrong, just that it should be the same.”

Kubica:

“Coming here we started in exactly the same configuration, both cars, and the characteristic was completely different again,” he said.

“It was important to understand but we are not understanding the reason.

“The priority is to understand the reason why two cars are so different in behaviour.

“It’s a priority because we don’t know the reason and it’s fundamental to have two cars running in the same way, otherwise it’s a lottery.”

Source https://www.motorspo...m/news/id/22180

Edited by GoldenEra, 31 March 2019 - 09:34.


#515 Muppetmad

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:44

Russell's comments rather confirm that any comparison between the two drivers is going to be near-impossible for the time being. What an utterly bizarre state of affairs...!



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:48

There seems to be an issue with weight and flexing. I said it after Australia, that the probable cause is poor materials. It affects the suspension, the gearbox, the entire chassis really, therefore the tyres as well.

It's not aero.

Which means that bringing Head in is the right move from an engineering pov as well as managerial.

#517 NoForumForOldPole

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:50

How is it possible? Do they not have quality assurance team? Ferrari just brought some big name from Fiat to head theirs.

Edited by NoForumForOldPole, 31 March 2019 - 09:50.


#518 Mithrandir

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:59

How is it possible? Do they not have quality assurance team? Ferrari just brought some big name from Fiat to head theirs.

I don't know. They supposedly had the lightest and smallest gearbox in 2012, and they now have the heaviest and biggest one. In just 6 years! Which is why I think saying that Williams problems exist because they didn't keep Newy in 1997 is unrealistic. I think their problems are more recent.

#519 Little Leaf

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:00

Williams this year is worthy of a Netflix series on its own!



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#520 GiorgioF1

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:30

https://www.driverdb...harles-leclerc/

 

Russell's vs Leclerc career stats. This guy is seriously good. This shows how good of a job Kubica is doing after his 8 year hiatus and injury.



#521 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:34

https://www.driverdb...harles-leclerc/

Russell's vs Leclerc career stats. This guy is seriously good. This shows how good of a job Kubica is doing after his 8 year hiatus and injury.

How about we judge it from a larger sample than 2 qualy sessions and 1 race so far? Come on. Russell is pretty good imo but all your intent on doing is pumping up RK.

Lets talk at the halfway mark.

#522 Domi

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:37

We can start judging them when they will have equal cars.

 

How williams managed to end with two slow cars and one even slower than the other must be some kind of poor joke  :(



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:48

Wow just watched the clip of Claires brother. Instantly did not like the guy. 100% that CW is the right sibling for the TP role, there is something smarmy and agitated about his attitude and how he responds. Massive chips on his shoulder, you can detect the power hungry issues a mile off.


Kind of like his dad, then.

#524 DanardiF1

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:51

So to me it seems the questions that need answering most are;

 

1. Why did the team end up so far behind on their build schedule that they didn't have the car ready for the beginning of testing?

 

2. Why are the team so short on spare parts?

 

3. Why are there apparently QA issues and the parts that they do have so different in quality?

 

I've seen others mention that Williams' main problem is that they haven't kept up on the progress others have made on the mechanical side. I see there being some truth to this, as even when Williams were at the front/upper midfield of the grid in 2014/15/16, they struggled on the more mechanically demanding circuits and when it was wet. The lack of quality assurance seems to be a big issue right now as well, and perhaps is what put the build schedule behind also. 

 

Its a real mess and the 'blame' has to fall at the feet of the upper management. I'm glad Patrick has come back to oversee things even in the short term.



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 12:17

How about we judge it from a larger sample than 2 qualy sessions and 1 race so far? Come on. Russell is pretty good imo but all your intent on doing is pumping up RK.

Lets talk at the halfway mark.

I agree with you. But let us not forget the slew of unfair criticisms towards Kubica after the first race or whenever it's possible really. Context matters.



#526 pdac

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 12:47

https://www.driverdb...harles-leclerc/

 

Russell's vs Leclerc career stats. This guy is seriously good. This shows how good of a job Kubica is doing after his 8 year hiatus and injury.

 

I don't really care about statistics or comparisons. I will make comparisons once they are in a position to convert a small points haul into a larger one. Until then, it really doesn't matter what they do. No points, no point.



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 14:35

Robert just confirmed for Polish TV that he's using car/chasis from barcelona tests and they have no spare one to swap.


Edited by abuson, 31 March 2019 - 14:35.


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Posted 31 March 2019 - 14:49

Robert just confirmed for Polish TV that he's using car/chasis from barcelona tests and they have no spare one to swap.

 

That's what we know.



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 15:28

Kubica and Russell switching positions all the time  :lol:



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 15:30

Old man KUB on mediums doing pretty well. In Williams' league, at least. Interesting that he was the only one picking mediums for the start.



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 15:34

It seems Russell couldn't overtake him with quicker tires and DRS, or decided to take it easy. Interestingly Kubica is first to make a pitstop, which seems to be a bit odd, but he is quite a few seconds ahead now.

 

Anyway at least they maybe are having some fun despite finishing last  :yawnface:


Edited by DrProzac, 31 March 2019 - 15:35.


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Posted 31 March 2019 - 15:43

Yeah strange that he pitted before Russell

 

Softs seem to be worse off. Both RUS and KUB were gaining on each other when on harder tyres. Should've kept them on mediums


Edited by cromofo, 31 March 2019 - 15:51.


#533 Domi

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 15:51

the same flaw that was on fw41, it was faster on harder tires than on softs



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 15:56

The old man driving well. I am impressed.



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 16:09

Reality hits hard. Such a stark difference in performance between Williams and the last of the rest....



#536 Domi

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 16:10

I don't get why they given Kubica used medium set when he had fresh hard tires and could go to finish



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 16:12

I don't get why they given Kubica used medium set when he had fresh hard tires and could go to finish

And even before that, they pitted Kubica on mediums before pitting Russell who was on softs. Makes no sense.

 

Could've done Medium - Hard till the end and hope for a safety car. I thought that's why Kubica started on mediums but I guess not...


Edited by cromofo, 31 March 2019 - 16:28.


#538 Domi

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 16:41

Robert lost a lot of time on this last stint. Wonder what happened there



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 16:49

Kubica in 2nd  :rotfl:



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 16:56

Russel and Kubica were going head to head (switching places, actually) up until a certain point and then RK started to loose plenty of time, some sort of issue maybe? Either way Williams are still in the league of their own. 


Edited by wingwalker, 31 March 2019 - 16:56.


#541 Domi

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 16:58

but that was nice view when RK was in p10 for about 40 seconds  :drunk:


Edited by Domi, 31 March 2019 - 16:58.


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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:01

Russel and Kubica were going head to head (switching places, actually) up until a certain point and then RK started to loose plenty of time

 

RK was ahead of GR when they called him to the pit (and still gaining advantage). Good rhythm and pretty much fresh mediums, I have no idea why they pitted him earlier than George. Robert's stint on softs was really bad, costed him 1-2 positions. Anyway, with one stop strategy (med-hard) Williams could've finished ahead of Sainz and with some luck even ahead of Stroll. 


Edited by cravenciak, 31 March 2019 - 17:03.


#543 tghik

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:08

The strategy call was weird but wouldn't change anything. There was balance issues on RK's car he would still end up behind GR. Until they solve the problem with the differences between the cars ...



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:10

https://www.youtube....h?v=zxSam711dfI

 

 

Race start (RK onboard).

 

@up

 

I doubt it. Med-Hard strategy was a nobrainer, only Williams knows why they did not pursuit for the best result.


Edited by cravenciak, 31 March 2019 - 17:13.


#545 Barty

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:14

Reality hits hard. Such a stark difference in performance between Williams and the last of the rest....

 

Actually, I think they weren't as far off this race as I was expecting.



#546 Muppetmad

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:16

Definitely a better weekend for the team, and the two cars were neck-and-neck until the final set of pitstops. I guess we'll need to wait to hear precisely what happened - certainly the strategy looked a bit peculiar to me, but there may have been other factors in play.



#547 wingwalker

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:17


That Force India was in in the full Back To The Future mode, think FIA should react and ban in ASAP. If they master it they could easily manipulate outcome of ALL the races.



#548 Domi

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:20

RK saying his car was undriveable, it was behaving like rally car. Both cars are diffrent. The upcoming test is crucial, they need to understand what's going on.


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#549 rkrp

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:30

Post race interview with Robert says it all. You don't really need to understand polish. Body language is enough. But hey, here's one sentence about incoming tests:
"Guys have to figure it out because if they don't there's really no point".



#550 tghik

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:41

They will use Kub's car in the upcoming test. Imho would be better to use both

George will have a chance to see the differences, they should swap though


Edited by tghik, 31 March 2019 - 17:46.