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#4951 Muz Bee

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 01:28

Carlos comes to a stop after 150 meters on installation lap. What have McLaren done wrong since the summer break. Appalling reliability.

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#4952 loki0420

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 02:13

Nothing major it seems but need to get this addressed next year.

#4953 Muz Bee

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 02:23

Yep - otherwise normal session. Racing Point off to strong start.

#4954 kumo7

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 04:10

was not a bad session. Carlos had a small set back, but ended OK.

Nice to see 7~9th is now a certainty, writing this makes me feel my lack of ambition...  :up:



#4955 mangeliiito

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 05:36

Lando is having quite alot of understeer right now.

#4956 loki0420

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 06:18

Ok, they can cancel qualy now so i can get some sleep and we cement 4th place for sure.



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Posted 11 October 2019 - 06:33

Sainz on softs was almost matching verstappen's pace on long run. Not saying Mclaren have the pace to challenge Redbull on long runs but this has been the best long run pace in a practice session this season. I think if we manage to have a clean weekend we will most likely finish best of the rest here on Sunday.

Edited by Quickshifter, 11 October 2019 - 06:33.


#4958 Mc_Silver

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 06:51

So far so good. Sainz seems to have the edge on Lando but I'm sure Lando will come back stronger on Sunday.

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 07:28

So far so good. Sainz seems to have the edge on Lando but I'm sure Lando will come back stronger on Sunday.

Lando usually playing it safe on unknown tracks. Especially this kind of track which punish errors hard and with running cut short it would be too big blow to crash. Speaking of risk, if qualy goes ahead and if it does it will certainly be wet you should also be very cautious with just couple of hours till the race. 



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#4960 kumo7

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 09:34

This is a good sign for the end of this season. 



#4961 Sebastien007

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:48

practice report.

 

https://www.mclaren....-free-practice/



#4962 Quickshifter

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 17:23

MCL34 is in its optimal window in high downforce configuration. Both Lando and Sainz have confirmed this on multiple occasions. They struggle when they take downforce off. When they do so, they loose a lot in the corners and gain very little on the straights. This is why Sainz said they are running higher downforce configuration and unsurprisingly slow in third sector. Mclaren chose to revert to high downforce configuration on Saturday after a poor Friday at Sochi for the reasons mentioned above. They also do not have a tailored low downforce package meant for tracks like Spa/Monza. Even at Canada they ran the big rear wing cos the car failed to make tyres work otherwise.

 

Clearly for next year they will be working towards making the optimal window broader. Although the car is a good base but the scope for improvement is big and this is why Key was talking about minor conceptual changes for next year.


Edited by Quickshifter, 11 October 2019 - 17:26.


#4963 keshav

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 18:57

Do we have new parts here?

#4964 Muz Bee

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 20:54

Once again the 34 responds to tweaks indicating a high level of understanding of the car and it’s evolutionary elements. Not only bodes well for the remaining races but also gives cause to be optimistic for the direction that 35 will take. Looks like most of the “midfield “ are in confusion bar RP who are making steady gains and like Sochi are likely our closest rivals tomorrow. Gap to MB and RB is disappointing but bring on 2020 and the first James Key McLaren.

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 01:01

Should be interesting quali

 

if it was me, I'd do 3 runs in Q1 - 1 on used S, 2 on fresh soft... if necessary



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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:18

Best of the rest easily. Nice. Very nice.

 

Keep it up!



#4967 keshav

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:20

Very solid. In each session.

Will need to work hard to throw away the 7th and 8th in the race!

#4968 kumo7

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:20

Ok session. I just want to see McLaren climbing up the ladder 2020!



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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:20

Nice that. .5 off the Bulls. Get decent points now that Renault are near the back again and 4th is nearly there

#4970 CPR

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:24

Race pace looked very good on Friday. Unless we have mechanical issues or super bad luck, I doubt we'll be threatened by anyone in the midfield.



#4971 Quickshifter

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:27

The car is clearly and comfortably the best of the rest overall now. This track tests the aero like no other and it was great to watch qualifying knowing that if we do a normal qualifying we will comfortably finish best of the rest.

Edited by Quickshifter, 13 October 2019 - 02:28.


#4972 MrRat

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:29

The car is clearly and comfortably the best of the rest overall now. This track tests the aero like no other and it was great to watch qualifying knowing that if we do a normal qualifying we will comfortably finish best of the rest.


It is. Where is the guy who was dismissing my comments about Renault not having a better car earlier this season in the Renault car thread?

#4973 f1rules

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:32

Best qualy of the year for me, closer to rb on a so car demanding track like this 👍 and with margain to midfield 😀

#4974 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:33

It is. Where is the guy who was dismissing my comments about Renault not having a better car earlier this season in the Renault car thread?

or the people who said Mc should buy listed parts from Renault after Aus. :rotfl: :rotfl:



#4975 loki0420

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:35

Ok, even better than P2, i was too cautious :) soo good to see us easily beat midfield. Only way is fight forward.

#4976 Gary Davies

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:43

I hope this isn't too negative a note to mention here. 

 

Around the web - not necessarily here - there has been a huge amount of ill-informed, sometimes quite emotional criticism of Zak Brown. 

 

I was never sure, of course, quite how the whole management structure was evolving in the post-Dennis era. All I knew was that, manifestly, Zak Brown is no man's fool.

 

But it seems, now, that the decisions Brown has made over the last three years and the team of people he has put together is now showing up, consistently, as one of the most solid and competent in F1. 

 

With the resources and experience at the MTC, the Mercedes power from 2021 and the prospect of the new wind tunnel, this is a team very much on the up and up. 

 

I still have a feeling that, one day, the Mercedes board might decide to throw its (publicity) weight behind Formula E and keep a foot in the Formula One camp via its 'works' team. McLaren.



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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:45

Great laps from both of the drivers. This car is working great in high downforce set-up. We are definitely best of the rest this weekend. We just have to maximise today's result and get highest possible points. Let's see if Sainz can  get past Albon at the start. It's difficult circuit to overtake. 

 

I feel Lando left a little bit of time on the table in Q3. He has much more in him but he just needs to fix his mindset and go for it in Q3. I guess one of reason of his struggle in Q3s might be due to the pressure coming from tyre allocation rule as he has one chance to put his lap in which might effect his confidence and concentration. 



#4978 Quickshifter

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 02:57

Both drivers drove immaculately. I like Lando's approach of building his confidence up slowly without binning it in practice sessions and then raising his game in qualifying. Lando is a rookie and his qualifying performances have been impressive. I like his maturity where he knows already as to when to keep his powder dry and when to push.

Sainz has been a very good driver but he has raised his game further this season. He maximizes everything when there is a sniff of points. He is still young despite 5 years of experience and will only improve.

In a nutshell this is a very good pairing Mclaren have at their disposal which will only get better.

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 03:18

I hope this isn't too negative a note to mention here. 

 

Around the web - not necessarily here - there has been a huge amount of ill-informed, sometimes quite emotional criticism of Zak Brown. 

 

I was never sure, of course, quite how the whole management structure was evolving in the post-Dennis era. All I knew was that, manifestly, Zak Brown is no man's fool.

 

But it seems, now, that the decisions Brown has made over the last three years and the team of people he has put together is now showing up, consistently, as one of the most solid and competent in F1. 

 

With the resources and experience at the MTC, the Mercedes power from 2021 and the prospect of the new wind tunnel, this is a team very much on the up and up. 

 

I still have a feeling that, one day, the Mercedes board might decide to throw its (publicity) weight behind Formula E and keep a foot in the Formula One camp via its 'works' team. McLaren.

I doubt. They get billions of exposure, literally by spending $20-30mil a year out of pocket. It's a ROI like no other.



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#4980 kumo7

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 03:49

Both drivers drove immaculately. I like Lando's approach of building his confidence up slowly without binning it in practice sessions and then raising his game in qualifying. Lando is a rookie and his qualifying performances have been impressive. I like his maturity where he knows already as to when to keep his powder dry and when to push.

Sainz has been a very good driver but he has raised his game further this season. He maximizes everything when there is a sniff of points. He is still young despite 5 years of experience and will only improve.

In a nutshell this is a very good pairing Mclaren have at their disposal which will only get better.

 

The last time when there was this rumor on Alosno's McLaren return, Sainz said himself to step aside. I know Sainz do not want to do that, or I induce as no Formula 1 driver would want to do exactly that, but his voice was convincingly showing his modest yet solid will to be the form team member. 

 

I am a huge Alonso fan, I enjoyed his driving yesterday while appreciating 2005 Suzuka race, but I might agree that Alonso's time is now over at McLaren. And I only can look forward to more brilliant performances from the McLraren team, for years to come.

 

In case  if Merc is not convinced going ahead with the outfit, I am sure now that McLaren will cover the ambition.Obviously McLaren would not want to turn itself in to Merc, tho.



#4981 Gary Davies

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 04:50

I doubt. They get billions of exposure, literally by spending $20-30mil a year out of pocket. It's a ROI like no other.

That's true today. What I'm asking you to think about is point in the future when Otto cycle engines may be on the nose in the mass market. Think about how relatively quickly diesel engines have gone from being very popular to being out of favour. Daimler, along with others, have already announced that they will be transitioning out of internal combustion engines in the next few years. 

 

There's nothing so constant as change, MrRat.


Edited by Gary Davies, 13 October 2019 - 04:50.


#4982 Muz Bee

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:06

The McLaren fan club goes off as Sainz has the Bulls in his sights off the grid. Legendary good traction could be a sight to savour today. The gap to Verstappen is the smallest I can recall. Buckle up!

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:06

While it would be nice to beat a RB or two, I'm not going to be greedy. Nice clean run to the flag please!


Edited by CPR, 13 October 2019 - 05:06.


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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:17

Podium  chance intensifies!



#4985 f1rules

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:22

Wtf norris, was he sleeping

Edited by f1rules, 13 October 2019 - 05:29.


#4986 keshav

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:29

Shucks.

#4987 f1rules

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:31

Vettel penslty coming up...

#4988 loki0420

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:51

Maybe i dont get something but so far a moron strategy . Almost losing it.

Ps it is a moron strategy. Why just not cover Albon?

Edited by loki0420, 13 October 2019 - 05:56.


#4989 keshav

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:55

Pit Sainz for gods sake!

#4990 kumo7

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:57

smart stop strategy from Sainz and the team!
 



#4991 kumo7

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:00

Well I assume, RIC to pit sono, and ALB has to pit once more. Hope Sainz doe no more pit...



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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:04

I think they navigated fine through this, now he can onestop

#4993 kumo7

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:05

25 sec to ALB,... end at 5th?



#4994 cbbcisace

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:10

Albon ruined Lando’s race, what a shame

#4995 f1rules

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:25

Honestly i think was norris own fault leaving the door open like that

#4996 pacificquay

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:27

Honestly i think was norris own fault leaving the door open like that

Nonsense. He took his normal line. Albon divebombed from miles back and hit him.



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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:28

Stop using car and team threads as race chat threads.



#4998 pacificquay

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:40

Race over now - Sainz got the best result it was possible to today. Norris drove well but Albon ultimately cost him 6th and allowed Renault to get a few points more than they should too.



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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:41

While it would be nice to beat a RB or two, I'm not going to be greedy. Nice clean run to the flag please!

 

Heh. I was kinda amused by my comment here for a few laps but then Albon did a rather dodgy move on Lando.

 

Well, still gained 2 points on Renault despite all that. 111 points total. 35 point lead.



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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:44

Like I said to myself at the start of the season, I am happy with the way McLaren solidify the performance.

Great way to stand up again on its foot. Looking forward to US Brazil and more.