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#4551 MirNyet

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 18:03

The double retirement situation at Spa was extremely disappointing but not IMO "unacceptable". This strong talk is not accurate or useful to describe the situation. Neither engine let go in a big way. MB PUs were going boom around the track. This was Sainz's first mechanical DNF since his Renault PU blew in the first GP in Australia. The background of Renault reliability is the unprecedented reliability of PUs this year in general. They are the least reliable PU but not shockingly so.

 

After the destructive relationship with Honda it should be obvious to McLaren fans that this relationship needs to work. There's no other option, at least until a new manufacturer comes into the sport. Renault are making progress, not as much as we would like, but there is near parity with Mercedes. Ferrari is a little further up the track.

 

Personally, I'm more concerned that the team failed to get the MCL34 in the zone during FP1, 2 and 3 and entered qualifying guessing. Why did the team fail to make ANY progress through three sessions of practice? It was probably more by good luck than execution that they halved the gap to the front of the F1.5 runners for Q1 and 2. These are more troubling issues and need to be sorted. To be fair this has not occurred since China way back.

 

Why did Sainz get sent out on used softs in Q1? Fail! Maybe they lacked the confidence they had sorted the setup as seen from the dismal practise times, but you have to put your best foot forward when your back's against the wall!

 

The only good news were (1) Lando's great start (MCL traction wins again) and (2) his stunning race pace and tyre life. Fair to say Lando has had cruel luck this season and is now due a trouble free run through to Abu Dhabi.27% voted Lando driver of the race.

 

Spa appears to be tire temp related, they apparently did improve the car on the Saturday, but the team thinks it was the drop in ambient temps at the track on Sunday which made a lot of the difference. 



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Posted 06 September 2019 - 18:17

I think Carlos wants to save his Softs until FP3.

 

yeah, he said that after the practice (drivers were allowed to keep one of the FP2 sets for FP3, as it was wet today) - no idea what he is supposed to do with three new sets of softs in FP3 though.



#4553 TomNokoe

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 20:19

Sainz had pretty much the slowest straight line speeds of the entire field and set his time on mediums. Yet only 0.4s away from the best midfielder. That is encouraging.

#4554 Owen

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 20:20

Practice report;
https://www.mclaren....-free-practice/

#4555 keshav

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 06:46

Do you believe that Lando will reach Q3 to give Sainz a tow?



#4556 Mc_Silver

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 06:50

So far so good but I really want McLaren to find a way out to fix these hydraulic, oil leak sort of problems. It has caused lots of headaches for decades.:)

It looks like it will definitely rain on Sunday which should be good opportunity for us. I'm sure Lando will be racey and can make up lots of places from back of the grid. Sainz is good in the rain as well. It will be interesting race to watch for sure.

Today, Lando will probably try to help Sainz in qualifying as we are lacking a bit of top speed in the straights compared to others but we have good car in corners which should help us in slippery conditions come Sunday.

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#4557 keshav

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:22

Not a great session. Sainz lap that was near VER was great though. However, we couldn't improve much.



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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:27

Not a great session. Sainz lap that was near VER was great though. However, we couldn't improve much.


What counts is tomorrow. Spa was terrible up until Sunday where the car was quickest behind the top 3.

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

#4559 keshav

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 13:23

How is Renault so quick. We can’t even get close.

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#4560 mclarensmps

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 13:30

They were faster than McLaren at this point last week as well.



#4561 rootten

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 13:50

How is Renault so quick. We can’t even get close.

Renault is a faster car



#4562 keshav

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 13:53

Renault is a faster car

Lol

#4563 Matthew22

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 13:54

Renault is a faster car


No, that car is like the Ferrari, and McLaren developed their car away from that, hence why they hammered Renault in Hungary. Normal service will be resumed in Singapore, if not in the wet tomorrow.

#4564 BertoC

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:03

Lol

 

It is though, on low drag circuits. This is reminding me of Canada a lot. 



#4565 keshav

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:16

Urgh Sainz should have got a Renault.

#4566 mclarensmps

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:18

McLaren and Sainz did a great job navigating that stupid session, but the car just didn't have the time in it. 



#4567 BertoC

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:20

Yeah ,in qualy Renault is in a league of it's own it these kind of circuits. The race will be very different though, I'm sure Carlos will beat one or both of them.



#4568 Mc_Silver

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:22

McLaren and Sainz made everyone look stupid :D

#4569 Cheekytee86

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:26

Well through the shambles of Q3, well done to Carlos for making it. Although it wasn't the result we were looking for, still a great result and I truly believe the car will be better in race trim👏

#4570 chhatra

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:38

Something tells me they have set the car up for the race.

#4571 SparkPlug86

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:39

The Renault has the smallest rear wing on the grid, so it's pretty quick in a straight line at the moment and they've been really good/lucky at getting tows. Sainz did a decent job with what he had, I assume Lando is setting it up more towards the race. We should get back past the Renaults in the race if its wet thanks to the extra DF.



#4572 BertoC

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:45

We should be a lot faster in the corners and hopefully keep close in the straights with DRS. Will be a lot harder when Carlos ahead of the Renaults, he will be a sitting duck or be in a Silverstone kind of situation.

Edit: also Renault tires should degrade faster due to lower downforce.

Edited by BertoC, 07 September 2019 - 14:54.


#4573 Mc_Silver

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:53

I have no worries for Sunday. We have great drivers and car for race condition. We only need good reliability from the engine and hydraulics. Everything will be alright after that. :) It will be exciting race tomorrow. Lando and Verstappen will be exciting to watch. With a good start Sainz can at least pass Hulkenberg and be just right behind Ricciardo and then we can overtake him with the right strategy. 

 

Weather forecast says heavy rain in the morning and much less so in the afternoon. Let's see how things pan out. 


Edited by Mc_Silver, 07 September 2019 - 14:54.


#4574 keshav

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 14:58

Does McLaren have the straight line to get Renault? That is my worry.



#4575 BertoC

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 15:00

Does McLaren have the straight line to get Renault? That is my worry.

Yes, with tow and DRS. To defend against them? Probably not.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 15:02

Does McLaren have the straight line to get Renault? That is my worry.

Shouldn't be an issue if its wet, but in the dry it would be really hard to overtake or even if they manage to do so they'll be sitting ducks on the upcoming straights.


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#4577 MirNyet

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 15:10

A wet start after a dry Quali will allow the teams to make changes to the cars - if so, then the McLaren will move forward past the Renault's.  If it's still dry, then both Renault's are likely going to eat their tires with that level of down-force within a few laps.  Again, McLaren moves forward.  Renault have been very aggressive.



#4578 keshav

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 16:20

Is Sainz under investigation?



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Posted 07 September 2019 - 16:35

Is Sainz under investigation?

 

https://twitter.com/...374561562603521

 

Hulkenberg & Stroll summoned to the stewards for driving unnecessarily slowly in qualifying.



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#4580 Mc_Silver

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 16:35

Is Sainz under investigation?


Why? For being smarter than the rest of the grid?

#4581 keshav

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 16:42

Why? For being smarter than the rest of the grid?

Sainz, Hulkenberg y Stroll, llamados a declarar ante los comisarios por rodar demasiado lento en el tramo final de la Q3 sin razón aparente. #F1 #ItalianGP

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#4582 BertoC

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:16

Lol he will be the scape goat and will eventually be penalised. Its his luck.

#4583 Mc_Silver

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:26

Lol he will be the scape goat and will eventually be penalised. Its his luck.


I would not watch F1 anymore if this happens.

#4584 mclarensmps

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 17:56

He was one of the compliant ones too. Eventually, he was being impeded by the slow Ferraris and had to get past them. 



#4585 BertoC

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 18:02

He was one of the compliant ones too. Eventually, he was being impeded by the slow Ferraris and had to get past them.

If rhats the case penalise everyone, not only the non ferraris.

#4586 mclarensmps

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 18:35

Honestly, I don't think anyone should be penalized (for being unable to start their fast lap), they all contributed to their own downfall by playing stupid games. 

Bur it's a discussion for another thread.



#4587 SparkPlug86

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 19:18

Penalise the lot and spice up the grid, it would be mega in the rain too! Lando would be near the front of the grid lol  :rotfl:



#4588 Mc_Silver

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 22:20

Raikkonen to start from the pit lane. So, lando will start from 17th place.

#4589 keshav

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 04:28

A wet start after a dry Quali will allow the teams to make changes to the cars - if so, then the McLaren will move forward past the Renault's.  If it's still dry, then both Renault's are likely going to eat their tires with that level of down-force within a few laps.  Again, McLaren moves forward.  Renault have been very aggressive.

But why would they compromise on race pace just to end up higher on the grid?



#4590 Mc_Silver

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 06:18

But why would they compromise on race pace just to end up higher on the grid?


It's the same situation with Ferrari. They have very good car in qualifying but they are losing a lot of ground in race pace.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:56

Massive top speed difference between Sainz and Norris:

 

Sainz 346.1km/h

Norris 334.8 km/h

 

Set up differently for the race perhaps?

 

https://f1i.com/news...f-them-all.html



#4592 MirNyet

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:57

But why would they compromise on race pace just to end up higher on the grid?

 

You're joking yes?  There are many reasons a team would be prepared to take a risk on Sunday for a better Saturday.  Results, avoiding the mid-field chaos, positive press, an aggressive race strategy, etc, etc, etc... Renault right now need to show results, and get positive coverage - I'd say they got that yesterday, wouldn't you?



#4593 MirNyet

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:58

Massive top speed difference between Sainz and Norris:

 

Sainz 346.1km/h

Norris 334.8 km/h

 

Set up differently for the race perhaps?

 

https://f1i.com/news...f-them-all.html

 

More likely a tow.



#4594 keshav

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:37

You're joking yes?  There are many reasons a team would be prepared to take a risk on Sunday for a better Saturday.  Results, avoiding the mid-field chaos, positive press, an aggressive race strategy, etc, etc, etc... Renault right now need to show results, and get positive coverage - I'd say they got that yesterday, wouldn't you?

I always thought race pace is prime here. Was wondering why anyone would sacrifice race pace here for Saturday. Similar to Monaco, but the other way round.



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:09

I dunno if we'll see a repeat of Spa where we're much quicker in the race than in quali. Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. That being said, I'd say McLaren do tend to take a race biased setup.

 

Probably Soft-Medium is only way to go here. Maybe Lando will run Medium-Soft as a counter-strategy. Probably a lot easier said than done for him to get points though.

 

Seems that the chance of rain is quite small.

 

Edit: Well, he's starting on Medium at least. Let's see if he goes Soft or Hard....


Edited by CPR, 08 September 2019 - 13:11.


#4596 keshav

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:40

Unfortunately Renault is not eating up their tires.

#4597 BertoC

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:47

We're outof Renault league here. Looks like it will be 7th and 11th.



#4598 keshav

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:52

Hopeless strategy as well.

#4599 mclarensmps

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:54

Well... what a disaster


Edited by mclarensmps, 08 September 2019 - 13:54.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:54

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