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#101 metz

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 20:50

The Ferrari team orders are based on logic.

The finishing order would make no difference to team points.

It is also more likely that Vettel will be fighting for the drivers championship at the end of the year.

The extra points reversal may make the difference at that time.



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#102 Gambelli

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:49

I guess qualifying 11 and finishing 7 beats qualifying 7 and finishing 6. What a ****ing joke.

 

Yep, I think in context it does here but it's close, Grosjean out qualified Magnusen, Hulk out qualified Daniel despite an electrical issue preventing him from his final run, which cost him a top 10 position.

 

Mind you, I'd score them even, both had good starts and maximised their race score, what more could you ask.... the question I keep asking is how could either be rated under Hamilton? 



#103 Grayson

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 12:18

A reminder that you can see season averages for both the Autosport ratings and the Autosport reader ratings here.

 

The current season average currently looks exactly like the Australia scores for obvious reasons!

 

And the full 2018 results are still available here if anyone wants to reminisce...



#104 motohead

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 12:32

In Q2, when they all went out on their final runs, Hulk had a loss of power on his out lap and had to return to the pits so didn't get that final run in.  I'm pretty sure until that point he was well within the top 10.

 

Re race, we dont know if its tyre management or a car that uses its tyres heavily, we'll know in a few races time but as yet we dont, so score the result, not the queue of cars behind.   FWIW I hope it was poor tyre management, or Renault are in trouble.....

 

Oh, this is from Renaults website...

 

Renault F1 Team will start the season-opening Formula 1 Rolex Australian Grand Prix with Nico Hülkenberg eleventh and Daniel Ricciardo twelfth following a tight qualifying session around Albert Park, Melbourne.

Both drivers eased into Q2 following strong – and closely-matched – laps. Nico’s progress was however hampered by an electrical issue that prevented him completing his final run of the session. He just missed the top ten by 0.03secs in one run.

 

Ok, didn't know, so it is a fair point about Hulkenburg's second run. Still didn't find his weekend amazing though. I have seen him dominating the midfield before. This wasn't it. But let's see how they fare next race. There is a risk that the Renault is just the 5th or the 6th best car on the grid...and that will shine a light on this weekend,



#105 7MGTEsup

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 14:29

Somebody's salary should not be relevant at all. Performance is. It could well be that Ricciardo's Q wasn't that great and that a lot of drivers could have beaten him.

 

I think it is relevant, if someone is paid 4 times more than the other it means the team value them 4 times as much. So if you beat that person you are punching above your weight.



#106 efuloni

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 17:32

GrandePremio, the better (by far) motorsport source in Brazil started last year their ratings. I'll post in here:

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Bottas 9,5

Hamilton 7,5

Verstappen 8,5

Vettel 5

Leclerc 5,5

Magnussen 7

Hulkenberg 7

Raikkonen 6,5

Stroll 6,5

Kvyat 6,5

Gasly 4

Norris 6

Perez 5,5

Albon 5,5

Gio 4

Russel 5

Kubica 3,5

 

They are pretty harsh. 

https://grandepremiu...stralia-de-2019



#107 Ivanhoe

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 18:15

GrandePremio, the better (by far) motorsport source in Brazil started last year their ratings. I'll post in here:
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Bottas 9,5
Hamilton 7,5
Verstappen 8,5
Vettel 5
Leclerc 5,5
Magnussen 7
Hulkenberg 7
Raikkonen 6,5
Stroll 6,5
Kvyat 6,5
Gasly 4
Norris 6
Perez 5,5
Albon 5,5
Gio 4
Russel 5
Kubica 3,5
Grosjean 7
Ricciardo 2
Sainz 3,5


They are pretty harsh.
https://grandepremiu...stralia-de-2019

Thanks for the link 👍 I added Grosjean, Ricciardo and Sainz in bold. Pretty harsh indeed.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 21 March 2019 - 18:16.


#108 Gambelli

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 21:14

Ok, didn't know, so it is a fair point about Hulkenburg's second run. Still didn't find his weekend amazing though. I have seen him dominating the midfield before. This wasn't it. But let's see how they fare next race. There is a risk that the Renault is just the 5th or the 6th best car on the grid...and that will shine a light on this weekend,

 

No I agree it wasn't amazing, it wasn't a 10, but it was at least an 8, maybe a 9 purely because his start made good points happen whereas had he gone into turn 1 still in 11th there was no chance of saving P7 from the weekend.

 

But my point wasn't how amazing Hulk was, it was how on any planet, any publication, could rate Hamilton higher than Hulk and/or Magnusen, and I used Hulk has the example because moving up 4 places is a good result...... it's just frustrating, I'm open about not being a fan of Hamilton, but I'm more open about how annoying it is to see the media's pandering to him at every avenue...... including, or maybe especially, driver ratings....



#109 Gambelli

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 21:31

GrandePremio, the better (by far) motorsport source in Brazil started last year their ratings. I'll post in here:

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Bottas 9,5

Hamilton 7,5

Verstappen 8,5

Vettel 5

Leclerc 5,5

Magnussen 7

Hulkenberg 7

Raikkonen 6,5

Stroll 6,5

Kvyat 6,5

Gasly 4

Norris 6

Perez 5,5

Albon 5,5

Gio 4

Russel 5

Kubica 3,5

 

They are pretty harsh. 

https://grandepremiu...stralia-de-2019

 

Absolute total and utter rubbish!  This would be the worst set of ratings I have ever seen.  I can cop 9.5 for Bottas, though 9 seems better. Verstappen I can agree with 8.5, his small off on the grass didn't affect his result at all and he only went off because he was giving it his all, which is what we want to see.

 

Every single other rating is fairyland rubbish

Hamilton the 3rd best driver in the field? (yes here I go again about hamilton's rating - I'll get over it eventually)

 

7 for Magnusen and Hulk???? What more could they have done?  Magnusen could have out qualified Grosjean, but Bottas only lost half a point for not doing that with Hamilton, and Hulk could have...... well buggered if I know what else he could have done? Managed tyres better?  But we dont know that what so ever, all we know is he held on to P7

 

Stroll... less off Perez than Bottas was off Hamilton in qualifying, first race for the team, limited pre season running, gets points, drives well, 6.5????  It apparently was a 30% worse performance than Bottas and 10% worse than Hamiton??  What??  Kimi too, 6.5 because he didn't.... um, beat the Ferrari's maybe?

 

Ferrari drivers, well, clearly 5's, as I said in an earlier comment, their car is 0.5 sec quicker than Mercedes (sarcasm) so they just plain suck, look at how  many times Vettel went off the road in the race for instance (he didn't, I know)..... and he was out qualified by BOTH 0.5 second a lap slower Mercedes drivers.... so 5 for Vettel it is, awful drive to P4 in the quickest car.  And Leclerc, well he got out qualified on his Ferrari debut by 4 x WDC AND by Verstappen, AND he went off the road, exactly like Verstappen did.... 30% worse performance than Verstappen right there....

 

What else we got, Norris 6???? Russel 5????  I'm anti Pommy drivers, I admit that, but geez Louise both had pretty decent debuts.  Russel can't be judge too harsh due to car, but he stayed focussed and got on with it and put Kubica in the shade, and Norris' qualifying alone should buy him at least a bit more credit. Albon too, all 3 debutants proved they deserved their shot in their very first race, but apparently all were average to below average.    

 

Just a truly weird rating, just really really unintelligible....

 

I forgot about the retired drivers....

 

Grosjean a 7? Lost 1 point I assume for losing a position at the start, lost 2 points for not holding his wheel on properly....

Ricciardo, a 2? a 2???? It was not a great weekend, Dan fan here stating a 5 at best is fine, but 2?  3 is for someone who shows, in that isolated event that they shouldn't be in F1, 2 or 1 is usually reserved for a driver going above and beyond to prove is is a nuisance or danger to others on the track and has no right being there.  And Carlos, shame on you for having issues in qualifying and breaking your MGU-K in the race.. embarrassing driver, 3.5 for you!!!


Edited by Gambelli, 21 March 2019 - 21:35.


#110 Lights

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 21:44

Aaaand breathe.



#111 sopa

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 13:00

Does anyone really think that Haas has a better driver line-up than Ferrari? Yet they got higher scores.

 

Last year it was probably rightfully claimed that Ferrari drivers got rated too highly. Now it's the other way around. And this despite Vettel finally facing a young-and-hungry team-mate. I mean the complaint for years was that he only could beat unmotivated grand-dads.



#112 PistolPete

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 13:54

Finishing 4 & 5 in a ferrari is just not that impressing.

#113 sopa

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 13:57

Finishing 4 & 5 in a ferrari is just not that impressing.

 

By the same token Alonso didn't exactly impress in 2014 either by finishing races in 4th-6th, yet one would say he put in an extraordinary season.



#114 Okyo

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 13:58

They should really think about adding "N/A" grades when there's nothing to be rated. Like when someone goes out at the start or the beginning of the race with a car issue or crashing out not because of their fault.



#115 Retrofly

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 08:16

Ratings are slow, so here's everyone favorite PlanetF1 scores:

 

Hamilton - 8

Bottas - 6

Leclerc - 10

Verstappen - 7

Vettel - 5

Norris - 9

Raikkonen - 8

Gasly - 5

Albon - 7

Perex - 6

Giovinazzi - 6

Kvyat - 6

Magnussen - 5

Stroll - 5

Russell - 7

Kubica - 6

Grosjean - 5

Sainz - 8

Ricciardo - 6.5

Hulkenberg - 8



#116 dreamer

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 10:06

Ratings are slow, so here's everyone favorite PlanetF1 scores:

 

 

Ricciardo - 6.5

 

 

I'm not a Ricciardo fan but 6.5 is low. He had a good qualifying, a good drive but really bad strategy and a DNF that wasn't his fault.



#117 statman

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 10:10

F1i:
 
Leclerc: 9.5
Norris: 8
Hamilton: 8
Verstappen: 7.5
Albon: 7.5
Raikkonen: 7.5
Hulkenberg: 7
Perez: 7
Bottas: 7
Magnussen: 6.5
Russell: 6
Sainz: 6
Giovinazzi: 6
Gasly: 6
Vettel: 6
Kvyat: 5.5
Ricciardo: 5.5
Kubica: 5.5
Grosjean: 5
Stroll: 4.5


#118 Marklar

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:05

AMuS

Hamilton 9
Bottas 8
Leclerc 10
Verstappen 8
Vettel 7
Norris 10
Kimi 9
Gasly 6
Albon 8
Perez 7
Giovinazzi 6
Kvyat 6
Magnussen 7
Stroll 4
Russell 7
Kubica 6
Hulk 9
Ricciardo 7
Sainz 7
Grosjean 5

#119 Heyli

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:07

AMuS

Hamilton 9
Bottas 8
Leclerc 10
Verstappen 8
Vettel 7
Norris 10
Kimi 9
Gasly 6
Albon 8
Perez 7
Giovinazzi 6
Kvyat 6
Magnussen 7
Stroll 4
Russell 7
Kubica 6
Hulk 9
Ricciardo 7
Sainz 7
Grosjean 5

a 7 for Vettel seems very generous... 



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#120 Jvr

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:20

Sky:

Hamilton 9
Bottas 7.5
Leclerc 10
Verstappen 8
Vettel 6.5
Norris 9
Kimi 8.5
Gasly 6
Albon 8
Perez 7
Giovinazzi 5.5
Kvyat 6
Magnussen 6.5
Stroll 5.5
Russell 7
Kubica 6
Hulk 8.5
Ricciardo 6
Sainz 7.5
Grosjean 5.5



#121 kosmos

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:29

How can Vettel get anything above a 5?. Teammate beats him in qualy, teammate is significantly faster than him the whole weekend, teammate overtake him to take the lead, spin on his own, literally the only thing he did right was the start of the race and it was worth nothing because Leclerc passed him.



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:55

Autosport
Hamilton 10
Bottas 8
Leclerc 10
Verstappen 8
Vettel 4
Norris 8
Raikkonen 8
Gasly 4
Albon 7
Perez 8
Giovinazzi 6
Kvyat 6
Magnussen 8
Stroll 5
Russell 7
Kubica 7
Hulkenberg 10
Ricciardo 6
Sainz 9
Grosjean 5

#123 Retrofly

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:57

Honestly why are they using scores out of 10, only 2 so far dipped below a 5.

Ham 4,

Bottas 3,

Leclerc 5,

Vettel 1.

Easy, none of this .5 nonsense either. If it going to become so granular, then you may as well use c'chip points!



#124 Retrofly

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:58

Autosport
Hamilton 10

April fools?



#125 TomNokoe

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:58

10 for Hamilton? woah woah woah

 

4 for Vettel :rotfl:



#126 Frood

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:00

Honestly why are they using scores out of 10, only 2 so far dipped below a 5.


That’s what annoys me the most about these ratings. Surely a 5 should be an average score?

#127 Ivanhoe

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:01

Well Hamilton didn’t do anything wrong and won the race in an inferiour car. Why wouldn’t that be a 10, Leclerc was faster but in a better car.

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:01

Autosport
Hamilton 10
Bottas 8
Leclerc 10
Verstappen 8
Vettel 4
Norris 8
Raikkonen 8
Gasly 4
Albon 7
Perez 8
Giovinazzi 6
Kvyat 6
Magnussen 8
Stroll 5
Russell 7
Kubica 7
Hulkenberg 10
Ricciardo 6
Sainz 9
Grosjean 5

 

I really hope this is april fools rating



#129 Zilbert

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:03

After watching couple of their "expert" videos, it's hard to take Autosport too seriously (i mean even more then other "serious" motorsport media).



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:05

Well Hamilton didn’t do anything wrong and won the race in an inferiour car. Why wouldn’t that be a 10, Leclerc was faster but in a better car.

 

You should get a few ten's a season, not every race. 



#131 Marklar

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:06

Well Hamilton didn’t do anything wrong and won the race in an inferiour car. Why wouldn’t that be a 10, Leclerc was faster but in a better car.

He had a average start, did a couple of little mistakes here and there (nothing big though). It's certainly a 9, but for a 10 he lacked perfection, even if he had a few exceptional moves. But we had plenty of those drives being rewarded with a 10, so that's not really the problem, it's a general problem more like...
 

4 for Vettel :rotfl:

They are the only ones who used a proper scale here though. How much worse do you have to drive to go below 5?


Edited by Marklar, 01 April 2019 - 12:07.


#132 rodnet1

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:09

Autosport
Hamilton 10
Bottas 8
Leclerc 10
Verstappen 8
Vettel 4
Norris 8
Raikkonen 8
Gasly 4
Albon 7
Perez 8
Giovinazzi 6
Kvyat 6
Magnussen 8
Stroll 5
Russell 7
Kubica 7
Hulkenberg 10
Ricciardo 6
Sainz 9
Grosjean 5

 

I was just going to say that the AMuS scores seemed a bit German-biased to me and then this came along.....We can officially stop taking the Autosport ratings seriously. Hamilton a 10, give me a break...



#133 Lights

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:19

That’s what annoys me the most about these ratings. Surely a 5 should be an average score?

It's not in school or university either, depending on a country's system.

I think they use this format because a 5 can already be taken as inadequate. And generally people don't perform inadequately on average.

As long as a driver doesn't particularly mess up or perform extremely worse than his teammate and/or expectations, I wouldn't call it an inadequate performance. All these guys are great drivers that can do what only few people on earth are capable of doing.

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:37

I was just going to say that the AMuS scores seemed a bit German-biased to me and then this came along.....We can officially stop taking the Autosport ratings seriously. Hamilton a 10, give me a break...

 

You have to look in the scoring to the context of the other scores and the weighting of the car. Under normal circumstances Ferrari should  have been a one two. They had the fastest car this weekend and at the very least Vettel should have won.  Hamilton drove a fantastic race to beat Vettel forcing him into an error and was over 20 seconds infront of Bottas b4 safety car.  So if you give Bottas an 8 what then would you give Lewis? LeClerc drove a good race but he had a fantastic car b4 the failure. So him and Lewis should get a 10 if Bottas have an 8. I would have scored a 7 for Bottas and 3 for Vettel.
 



#135 jesee

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:39

10 for Hamilton? woah woah woah

 

4 for Vettel :rotfl:

Too generous for Vettel. He should ahve scored 3 considering he had the fastes car this weekend.



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:40

AMuS

Hamilton 9
Bottas 8
Leclerc 10
Verstappen 8
Vettel 7
Norris 10
Kimi 9
Gasly 6
Albon 8
Perez 7
Giovinazzi 6
Kvyat 6
Magnussen 7
Stroll 4
Russell 7
Kubica 6
Hulk 9
Ricciardo 7
Sainz 7
Grosjean 5

A 7 for Vettel is a travesty. He should have gotten a 3.



#137 Lights

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:45

jesee, what score would you have given Vettel? It's not clear to me.

Edited by Lights, 01 April 2019 - 12:46.


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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:49

jesee, what score would you have given Vettel? It's not clear to me.

Fairly certain he said a 6,5  :stoned:



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:56

jesee, what score would you have given Vettel? It's not clear to me.

3x3! That´s a 9!



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#140 MattK9

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 13:26

After watching couple of their "expert" videos, it's hard to take Autosport too seriously (i mean even more then other "serious" motorsport media).

 

Their written articles are very good usually. That doesnt always translate well into being able to be a engaging and informative character in front of a camera.

 

 

They are the only ones who used a proper scale here though. How much worse do you have to drive to go below 5?

 

Vettel did finish the race with some points. He could have driven much worse. 



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 16:29

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#142 OO7

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 16:42

Alonso, 9.5



#143 A3

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 16:44

I'm not a Ricciardo fan but 6.5 is low. He had a good qualifying, a good drive but really bad strategy and a DNF that wasn't his fault.

he did hit his teammate.

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 16:55

These guys really cannot decide whether Sainz has a good weekend or a bad weekend. 



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 17:18

Autosport
Hamilton 10
Bottas 8
Leclerc 10
Verstappen 8
Vettel 4
Norris 8
Raikkonen 8
Gasly 4
Albon 7
Perez 8
Giovinazzi 6
Kvyat 6
Magnussen 8
Stroll 5
Russell 7
Kubica 7
Hulkenberg 10
Ricciardo 6
Sainz 9
Grosjean 5


Ok? Ric 6 - Hulk 10!?! LOL! Really? Bohr scores are bonkers. Completely, utterly insane!
Kmag 8. Ok, great quali and the car might be ****ed up, but cmon. Even as a Kmag fan I think that’s generous.
Hamilton 10, how!?
Verstappen 8, Gasly 4?!? Didn’t they finish 5/6?! Difference of 4? Really?!?

#146 Jovanotti

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 17:39

Alonso, 9.5 10.1

Forgot to add the 0.6.



#147 Tsarwash

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 17:43

Verstappen 8, Gasly 4?!? Didn’t they finish 5/6?! Difference of 4? Really?!?

Max beat him by 4/10ths in Q2 and finished 50 seconds ahead of him in the race. I think both Renaults were ahead of Gasly before they retired. 



#148 Erwin123

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 17:52

Hamilton 10, how!?
Verstappen 8, Gasly 4?!? Didn’t they finish 5/6?! Difference of 4? Really?!?

 

Hamilton =10 because he is British...Dear English friends, he did not 'win the race in an inferior car' Leclerc lost his because of an 'inferior car' (it broke down). 

 

"Didn’t they finish 5/6"  

 

No they didn't.



#149 Laster

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 17:53

Both Renaults, Norris and Raikkonen. Gasly had a really poor race, and made no impression on the midfield let alone Verstappen. He was quite lucky to find himself in a points paying position by the end.

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 18:05

jesee, what score would you have given Vettel? It's not clear to me.

 

I would have give Vettel a 4. He had the fastest car and binned it. Ferrari should have won yesterday that is not in doubt.