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Alfa Romeo 2019: Kimi's back, Giovinazzi's back, Alfa's back (why?)


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#101 Balnazzard

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:32

Here is Kimi's onboard and team radio, enjoy it while you can:

https://www.youtube....h?v=xNb6BCN9-oM

Really stupid what Norris was doing imho.....I mean he wasnt even racing for anything at that point, he could have just cruised the race home behind Kimi and not unlap himself...


Edited by Balnazzard, 14 April 2019 - 12:33.


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#102 anyeis

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 14:49

I dont know who Alfa could get in to get points.

 

You need at least Perez/Kimi/Magnussen/Grosjean level driver. Ericson wouldnt do it like it didnt last year. Kimi is getting points because Renault/Haas is massively underperforming


Edited by anyeis, 14 April 2019 - 14:50.


#103 Balnazzard

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 16:08

I dont know who Alfa could get in to get points.

 

You need at least Perez/Kimi/Magnussen/Grosjean level driver. Ericson wouldnt do it like it didnt last year. Kimi is getting points because Renault/Haas is massively underperforming

Seriously now?.....You are critizing Kimi for not doing better job (and not scoring points), yet the fact remains he has scored points in every 3 races, is leading the "best of the rest" race and thanks to those points Alfa is "sharing" the 4th place with Renault?....

Whether or not Renault/Haas are underperforming, it doesnt remove the fact that Kimi has still scored those points for the team.....so why such a s**tty attitude towards Kimi and wondering "who Alfa could get in to get points"?....and if this was just to critize Gio, then fine, but even he had had difficult weekend due to losing time in practice sessions....ofc he needs to step up his game and start scoring points and be closer to Kimi in pace.

But right now I dont see anything to critize on Kimi's performance considering that he is at the moment the "king" of the midfield in points, even if that might have required underperforming Haas during races and unreliable Renault.



#104 WelshSwan

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 20:54

I dont know who Alfa could get in to get points.

You need at least Perez/Kimi/Magnussen/Grosjean level driver. Ericson wouldnt do it like it didnt last year. Kimi is getting points because Renault/Haas is massively underperforming


Yeah Kimi has been useless so far, Leclerc would be doing much better. 😘

#105 WelshSwan

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 21:00

Seriously now?.....You are critizing Kimi for not doing better job (and not scoring points), yet the fact remains he has scored points in every 3 races, is leading the "best of the rest" race and thanks to those points Alfa is "sharing" the 4th place with Renault?....

Whether or not Renault/Haas are underperforming, it doesnt remove the fact that Kimi has still scored those points for the team.....so why such a s**tty attitude towards Kimi and wondering "who Alfa could get in to get points"?....and if this was just to critize Gio, then fine, but even he had had difficult weekend due to losing time in practice sessions....ofc he needs to step up his game and start scoring points and be closer to Kimi in pace.

But right now I dont see anything to critize on Kimi's performance considering that he is at the moment the "king" of the midfield in points, even if that might have required underperforming Haas during races and unreliable Renault.


You know as well as I do that no matter what Kimi does there'll be people who will queue up to say it's not good enough. Indeed there has been little to no discussion on how well Kimi has done so far, Sky are too busy talking up Lewis, Norris and Albon. No talk of Alfa's improvement possibly being in part due to having a decent driver with great ability to develop a car nope, it's all down to the Ferrari engine!

I know the lack of plaudits don't bother Kimi but it would be nice to see even a sliver of recognition for him.

#106 Zilbert

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 21:33

You know as well as I do that no matter what Kimi does there'll be people who will queue up to say it's not good enough. Indeed there has been little to no discussion on how well Kimi has done so far, Sky are too busy talking up Lewis, Norris and Albon. No talk of Alfa's improvement possibly being in part due to having a decent driver with great ability to develop a car nope, it's all down to the Ferrari engine!

I know the lack of plaudits don't bother Kimi but it would be nice to see even a sliver of recognition for him.

Brundle is paying compliments to Kimi regularly, Will Buxton as well, he also gets solid ratings from most journalists, good enough for me.



#107 turssi

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 03:51

They should bring in some driver coach for Antonio and also consider hiring some mechanics so his car could run an entire weekend....

#108 Lights

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 04:42

Giovinazzi has been the epitome of 'meh' for me so far this season. He hasn't done anything particularly wrong, but he hasn't brought anything to the table either. I assume he needs to get more comfortable in the car, similar to Gasly. If Gio can't get closer to Kimi anytime soon it will reflect too poorly on him and probably means his F1 career is over before next year.

#109 Fomalhaut

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 04:55

And the pit stops. Too slow in this three races...



#110 Taxi

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 08:52

Another points finish although  it left me a bit frustrated he couln't get Perez. Kimi is doing a solid job with the car  that is around 7th quikest. He is showing a class above the Haas gang, Kvyat,  and evenly matched with the Renault boys in terms of pure driving.  Not bad for a 39 old man in small team doing this for hobby. 

 

I noticed the team is asking him for his opinion in pit stops and other small tricks. This is good because at Ferrari he was just there to play a role. Kimi is so experient he can outsmart many in the midfield even with a slower car. A happy Kimi is a fast Kimi. 



#111 Zilbert

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 12:48

According to Vasseur Kimi's car got some damage on the front: 

 

https://www.autospor...r-raikkonen-car

 

"The pace was there, and I think we were even able to catch Ricciardo and Perez, but we had some small damage 10 laps before the end on the front.

"We also lost temperature in the front tyres, mainly due to the fact that we lost downforce."



#112 Radion

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 04:18

What was that about gio trying to hit Kimi on purpose in fp3?!

#113 Yoshi

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 07:52

What was that about gio trying to hit Kimi on purpose in fp3?!

 

I think it was related to Sainz not Gio

 



#114 DrF

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 14:15

I think it was related to Sainz not Gio

Oh, that's all right then!

#115 Oho

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 17:17

According to Vasseur Kimi's car got some damage on the front: 

 

https://www.autospor...r-raikkonen-car

 

"The pace was there, and I think we were even able to catch Ricciardo and Perez, but we had some small damage 10 laps before the end on the front.

"We also lost temperature in the front tyres, mainly due to the fact that we lost downforce."

 

So did Räikkönen give Perez a little kiss? Or did he pull a Ricciardo and break his front wing on the curbing?


Edited by Oho, 16 April 2019 - 21:23.


#116 MNader

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 18:46

I honestly think keeping Kimi in a happy place makes him drive better. I think same as with Lewis. and Kimi has done a stellar job so far



#117 ARTGP

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 19:15

Just need Gio to put a race weekend together. The lack of Free practice is making him look worse than he is.



#118 GenJackRipper

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 23:10

I may be biased, but I can't se Ericson being worse than Giovinazzi.



#119 Alexandros

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 20:44

https://www.motorspo...nazzi-not-quite



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#120 Nathan

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Posted 21 April 2019 - 19:58

Seriously now?.....You are critizing Kimi for not doing better job (and not scoring points), yet the fact remains he has scored points in every 3 races, is leading the "best of the rest" race and thanks to those points Alfa is "sharing" the 4th place with Renault?....

Whether or not Renault/Haas are underperforming, it doesnt remove the fact that Kimi has still scored those points for the team.....

 

I think you took too much offence here.  There was no criticism, and in fact he listed Kimi as one of the few mid field drivers that could do what is being done.  .  The comment wasn't overly negative and simply spoke the truth.  No one said it removes anything from Kimi.  He has been the first to take advantage of the situation.



#121 Yoshi

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:28

Both Alfa Romeo drivers will fit new control electronics (CE) for the #AzerbaijanGP. As Antonio Giovinazzi is already using the 3rd CE this season it results in a 10 place grid penalty.



#122 thegamer23

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:28

10 grid positions penalty for Giovinazzi in Baku. The guy can't catch a break

Both Alfas will feature new Control Electronics (CE) in Baku, Giovinazzi gets the penalty beacause he's already at the 3rd CE change. 



#123 Vesuvius

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:33

Bloody hell, hopefully he will have trouble free weekend and get much milliage as possible.

Any aero updates to the cars this weekend?

#124 Jovanotti

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:37

Damn, Giovi really doesn't seem to get a proper chance...On the upside, it's a track where you can overtake, and if he can keep it clean surely can make up places through the carnage that will hopefully unfold again.

Edited by Jovanotti, 25 April 2019 - 09:38.


#125 ARTGP

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 12:42

Gio's luck has left the chat...



#126 turssi

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 03:26


@tgruener 1 Std.Vor 1 Stunde


Mehr


Both Alfa Romeo drivers will fit new control electronics (CE) for the #AzerbaijanGP. As Antonio Giovinazzi is already using the 3rd CE this season it results in a 10 place grid penalty.


Fly away races to forget. I'm sure he bounces back in Europe.

#127 Zilbert

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 12:46

So Alfa now official sponsor of Sky sports F1. Kimi must be delighted.  :lol: His apparently close to perfect job might turn out to not be so free from " all the other nonsense". He was really not impressed (to put it mildly) having to do remote cars race the other day.  :rotfl:



#128 dreamer

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 14:34

Both cars into Q3  :clap:  :up:


Edited by dreamer, 27 April 2019 - 14:34.


#129 johnnyw

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 14:39

Quite stupid to waste 2 set of tyres for kimi. It was obvious that hes safe way before they sent him out again.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 14:40

Quite stupid to waste 2 set of tyres for kimi. It was obvious that hes safe way before they sent him out again.


Wasn’t it to give a tow to Gio? So might not have been with a new set. He will now get the tow from Gio for his Q3 laps

Edited by Ramses1348, 27 April 2019 - 14:41.


#131 Ramses1348

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 14:54

LOL I have no clue what alfa did in q3

Edited by Ramses1348, 27 April 2019 - 14:55.


#132 johnnyw

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 14:55

Well that was total failure.

#133 Vesuvius

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 14:58

Q3 was a failure, great job until that. Sadly penalty for Giovinazzi, 8th grid for Kimi. Hopefully they can avoid accidents.

#134 Starish

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 14:58

Awful Strategy from the team all qualifying. Very disappointing by the result. 



#135 lahill

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 14:59

Nice to get both cars to Q3. A bit disappointed for Kimi's Q3.

#136 WelshSwan

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:00

Much better from Gio. Poor Q3 from Kimi though.

#137 Vesuvius

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:02

Q3 for Kimi was bad very likely because tyrewarmimg is all that matters here, so he failed on that because of slow warm-up lap and cooler conditions.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:02

I knew from the moment they exit pits that its going to be disaster. Kimi was on horrible spot on que and most seemed to drive outlap on crawling speed = no heatup for tyres.

#139 Vesuvius

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:03

I knew from the moment they exit pits that its going to be disaster. Kimi was on horrible spot on que and most seemed to drive outlap on crawling speed = no heatup for tyres.


True indeed.

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#140 Starish

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:03

Yea, I really think Kimi could have finished P6 or P7, team needs to do better.



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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:04

For me it looked like GIO supposed to give tow for Kimi on Q3 2run, but they messed it all up by letting 2 mercs splitting them.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:08

For me it looked like GIO supposed to give tow for Kimi on Q3 2run, but they messed it all up by letting 2 mercs splitting them.


Kimi let Mercedes by, McLaren was between Gio and Kimi before that.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:09

Yea, I really think Kimi could have finished P6 or P7, team needs to do better.


They are doing fine, they are just not fast enough, updates needed.

#144 Oho

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:09

Only the Mercs?

 

Räikkönen got really screwed as far as preparation is concerned, wonder why he let the Mercs through or was it only Giovinazzi in front of Mercs to begin with



#145 Starish

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:10

For me it looked like GIO supposed to give tow for Kimi on Q3 2run, but they messed it all up by letting 2 mercs splitting them.

Yea, seems like they gave GIO the first tow, but I really think after GIO got into Q3 the team should have focused both runs on GIO towing Kimi on both runs. 



#146 anyeis

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:12

I feel Q2 42.0 was maximum. It was with perfect tow



#147 Vesuvius

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:14

Kimi said his final attempt was spoiled already as it started, too close to Mercedes etc.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:15

Well it went well until Q3.....too bad for Gio that he still has that penalty. But atleast Kimi is again in position to take good points tomorrow, just have to survive first lap...and propably not waste time trying to keep Leclerc behind.



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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:16

I feel Q2 42.0 was maximum. It was with perfect tow


At that point yes, but track got much better as temperatures went lower, so 41 something was possible.

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 15:17

Kimi said his final attempt was spoiled already as it started, too close to Mercedes etc.

Yea, I knew it. Was not even a representative time from KR. He would have matched Sergio for sure. Team fked up and that's not a criticism, plus why did merc stop both cars at the end of the pit lane...Sky said practice starts but no one does those in qualy :/. 

 

Everyone improved except Alfa. 42.0 was not the max.

 

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Edited by Starish, 27 April 2019 - 15:19.