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Alfa Romeo 2019: Kimi's back, Giovinazzi's back, Alfa's back (why?)


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#401 Vesuvius

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:29

Any more details about why the crash occurred? He has had good quali results at this track even holds the lap record, so I'm wondering if it's a setup issue or something like that
One silver lining is that he was spared the humiliation of being caught up in that crass display during Q3. Imagine being a spectator there and having that done to you. Almost on a par with Indy 2005. Pathetic really.


Just a mistake, didn't even touch the kerb. Kimi said the car felt good but the track was more difficult than ever. He was with old tyres on that lap.

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#402 Vesuvius

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:33

According to formulaspy.com, they will change Kimi's PU as well and he will start from the pitlane.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:41

Hoping for SC then. One positive, that he will not be in the first corner mayhem. 



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:45

Good decision if that's true. Just take a new PU and start from the pitlane, avoiding all crashes in turn 1 and 2. Starting so far back you're at very high risk and you can't win many positions anyway because turn 1 is just too tight and too many cars in front of you blocking the road.



#405 Jovanotti

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:19

Common sense prevails :up:

#406 Yoshi

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:45

#AMuS Kimi's new engine is the Spec 3 that only Ferrari uses so far. Since Ferrari has introduced the new Spec 3 engine, all customers must be supplied with it from now on. Actually this engine type was not intended for Alfa and Haas but Ferrari has no choice now.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 12:04

#AMuS Kimi's new engine is the Spec 3 that only Ferrari uses so far. Since Ferrari has introduced the new Spec 3 engine, all customers must be supplied with it from now on. Actually this engine type was not intended for Alfa and Haas but Ferrari has no choice now.

:up:

So no 3m extra fee? Does this fall under the rule whereas customer teams have to be supplied with identical parts?

#408 Vesuvius

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:01

#AMuS Kimi's new engine is the Spec 3 that only Ferrari uses so far. Since Ferrari has introduced the new Spec 3 engine, all customers must be supplied with it from now on. Actually this engine type was not intended for Alfa and Haas but Ferrari has no choice now.
:up:


Thanks, great news. Lets hope both will have a great race!

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:42

OMFG how it is even possible to put wrong set of tyres. Doesnt make much difference though, pace is absolutelybpathetic anyway.

#410 Vesuvius

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:42

Amateurs

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 13:46

But he started from the pitlane. I thought you could start with whatever tyres you want

#412 Vesuvius

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:06

Zero pace on this new pu :D

#413 Vesuvius

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:07

But he started from the pitlane. I thought you could start with whatever tyres you want


Yeah, you can I think but they likely reported him to start with different tyres or tyreset was different.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:16

There must be something badly wrong on kimis car, damn hes slower than williams (russel)

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:34

A weekend to forget, this was a supposed to be a strong track for Alfa, but it wasn't.Good to see Giovinazzi scoring some points.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:38

Interesting to hear kimi:s comments, hard to understand why he was tortoise slow all race. Even without the massive team cockup with tyres points would of still been way out of reach with such bad pace.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:39

Disaster weekend for Kimi from day 1 that never really got any better.

 

Last two races he's gone from a solid top 10  in the standings to having all the midfield around him



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:39

Interesting to hear kimi:s comments, hard to understand why he was tortoise slow all race. Even without the massive team cockup with tyres points would of still been way out of reach with such bad pace.


Perhaps there was still some damage on the chassis, but I think Kimi will not talk much.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 14:55

Yay Giovi, good for his morale also.
0 mistakes this weekend.

Could have been even P7 without that big tyre drop at the end


Edited by thegamer23, 08 September 2019 - 14:55.


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#420 Baddoer

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 15:07

Giovinazzi finally delivers, should be good for him.

Raikonen with his rare off-weekends I guess.



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 15:17

Kimi should of started with soft compound used on Q2 as he got into Q3. Such silly mistake on team part. On interview he didntvreally mention any car issues so quite puzzling why pace was that poor.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 15:19

His pace was such a disaster  :rolleyes:



#423 Jovanotti

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 15:30

Surely something was off... But at least points for Giovinazzi. Next race can't come soon enough.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 15:36

Kimi should of started with soft compound used on Q2 as he got into Q3. Such silly mistake on team part. On interview he didntvreally mention any car issues so quite puzzling why pace was that poor.

 

But wasn't he started from pits not from grid? Tyre limits should only concern those who start on grid as starting from pit lane obviously invalidates Q results effect on starting position on grid.



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 16:03

Both Spa and Monza were just missed opportunities for Kimi and Alfa....The car clearly has pace to get much better results but especially in Monza everything just went against Kimi. I fear that Alfa might not be as competitive in the remaining tracks as it could have been in Spa and Monza, obviously due to advantage Ferrari PU has.



#426 johnnyw

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 16:03

I thought so awell that starting from pits free up the tyre choice, but apparently if you take part to Q3 you still need to start with Q2 tyre choice.

#427 Vesuvius

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 16:39

Kimi said that the first set just didn't work, soft set did, but there was no point to push anymore as race was done thanks to mistake with tyres.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 18:34

Both Spa and Monza were just missed opportunities for Kimi and Alfa....The car clearly has pace to get much better results but especially in Monza everything just went against Kimi. I fear that Alfa might not be as competitive in the remaining tracks as it could have been in Spa and Monza, obviously due to advantage Ferrari PU has.

 

Good that Alfa Romeo finally has 2 drivers who can take points. Kimi's lead against Giovinazzi, however, is astronomical. I can't forget his amazing qualifying at Spa, and that everything was destroyed anyway. At Monza, the car (Kimi's car) was far too slow and the team has to investigate it properly. He never got the chance to run fast laps. Despite worse circuits waiting, I think Kimi can compete against everyone (except Renault) in the midfield anyway. He should come home with at least top ten in the World Championchip if it becomes normal races. I still thought that there would be more points for Alfa Romeo so far into the season. But that's how it is.



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 19:42

According to TS, team manager Beat Zehnder took the blame from tyre error:

"This is the first error in these kind of situations that I have done in 25 years" said Zehnder who is known to knew rules inside out.

Kimi said the first set was unuseable, didn't work at all.Second set worked well and car felt good, but all was over already.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 19:50

Kimi Räikkönen 

 

“Well that was a sh** weekend. First my mistake in qualifying which unfortunately meant that we had to change gearbox. Then we decided to also change engine and start from the pitlane, but we had the wrong tyres on and with the penalty my race was more or less over. Looking forward to Singapore, as it can’t get worse.” 

 

Antonio Giovinazzi 

 

“It was a positive day for Italy today. I want to dedicate the two points to all the Tifosi here. I am so happy with the result, and I am also happy to see Ferrari do something very special for our country with their win. It’s a great feeling to score points as the only Italian driver in my home race. Starting on softs and changing to mediums turned out to be the best strategy, but I had to do my best to keep the McLaren of Norris behind. It was a difficult race, but a lot of our work has been rewarded, especially after Spa. We have to keep working and fighting like this. I am pleased for everyone in the team and for all my fans.” 


Edited by allaboard70, 08 September 2019 - 19:55.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 21:51

The two tracks where AR had the best chance of scoring points both ruined

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 22:36

The two tracks where AR had the best chance of scoring points both ruined

 

This is it :( 

 

See forward. As faster as better...



#433 Jovanotti

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:01

What's bad is that the chance for P5 in the WCC is probably gone for good as well after Renault's big points haul. P6 needs to be the target now (which still would be a good improvement after last year).



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 08:53

What's bad is that the chance for P5 in the WCC is probably gone for good as well after Renault's big points haul. P6 needs to be the target now (which still would be a good improvement after last year).

Exactly, I very much doubt that Alfa can achieve even P5 now that Renault score heck of a good points from Monza. P6 is still possible but it really requires both Kimi and Antonio scoring points from most if not all the remaining races. P8 would be really disappointing all things considered. Not as disappointing as Haas being at P9, but still P5 might have been realistic if they only had managed to maximize their results from these two last weekends.


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 15:40

Im honestly quite worried about Kimi:s pace after summer break on races. At spa he had heavily damanged car after turn 1 mayhem so that can be used as valid reasoning to lack of pace, but on yesterdays race havent heard that he would of had any issues with the car,  yet pace was absoluterly horrible. Damn he was slower than russel with  bloody williams which tells more than hundred words.

 

Maybe the leg injury is more severe than him & team let us know? That would atleast somehow explain those silly mistakes and lack of pace on long distance.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 16:05

They changed a whole lot after the crash. Changing a lot of things without testing the setup is never ideal. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 16:47

That plus Kimi said that the first set of tyres he started with (the "illegal set" that got him the penalty felt utterly horrible and the pace only returned better once he got the softer set of tyres.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 17:08

I wouldn't worry too much, like said above Kimi told that first set was unusuable and on second set car worked and felt good, but he didn't need to push as there was nothing to gain.

Spa pace was entirly explained by serious floor damage.

Lets hope Alfa in some miracle way do get back those 10 Hockenheim points, that they fully deserve.

Edited by Vesuvius, 09 September 2019 - 17:20.


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 14:45

As I suspected it seems that Singapore atleast is going to be much more difficult track for the team....all the more shame now that both Spa and Monza went so downhill, going to be inceasingly more difficult for Alpha to finish higher in the championship now if this is going to be another weekend without a points or just P9 or P10 at best.

Hopefully they can still find more pace tomorrow, but it doesnt look promising.



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 15:35

As I suspected it seems that Singapore atleast is going to be much more difficult track for the team....all the more shame now that both Spa and Monza went so downhill, going to be inceasingly more difficult for Alpha to finish higher in the championship now if this is going to be another weekend without a points or just P9 or P10 at best.

Hopefully they can still find more pace tomorrow, but it doesnt look promising.


Will see, this is only friday and Alfa runs heavier than other midfield teams, also their main focus was to test new parts that they brought. It's important to collect points now.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 03:45

Poor single lap pace on friday would not been that worrying as alfa has been quite down the order all season on fridays, but longrun pace was even worse which rings warningbells. Not very optimistic about this race.



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 10:56

Looks bad. Getting thru Q1 will be tough.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 12:34

As I said based on performance on tracks like Monaco and Canada I was suspecting that Alfa would be crap on Singapore atleast....so expecting Kimi to be out of points 3rd race weekend in row, sadly.



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 13:45

11th and 13th are at the moment their starting grids for the race (due to Perez penalty). Great job from Giovinazzi, he has been a bit faster than Kimi over one lap all weekend, but lets see how the race goes.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 13:46

Another solid performance by Gio, 2-3 tenths faster than Raikkonen all day long.

But It will be an hard battle for points there

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 13:58

The chassis is awful and has no mechanical grip, awful over the curbs and bumps. Thats why they struggled in Monza also.  



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:09

The chassis is awful and has no mechanical grip, awful over the curbs and bumps. Thats why they struggled in Monza also.


This is very likely the reason.

Also very likely this is Kimi's worst track.

Hoping that they can fight for points tomorrow.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:05

The race is where it matters.



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 20:18

Gio should start P10, Raikkonen P12 after Ricciardo & Perez penalties

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 14:16

Giovinazzi drove well. Sadly the SC ruined Kimi's race today, without points would have been likely, now tyres lost grip.

Now lets see if 24th september brings any change to the points situation or not.

Edited by Vesuvius, 22 September 2019 - 14:17.