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#1 Wingcommander

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 18:44

I thought I'd kick this off for this year already. Last year Hulkenberg and Renault were the champions with some stiff competition from Haas and Force India. One could have expected Renault to pull clear from the midfield, but based on Melbourne that is not the case and class 2 seems to offer us a tight battle this year as well.
 
AUSTRALIAN GP - MELBOURNE
 
Qualifying:
1. Grosjean - Haas
2. Magnussen - Haas
3. Norris - McLaren
4. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo
5. Perez - Racing Point
6. Hulkenberg - Renault
7. Ricciardo - Renault
8. Albon - Toro Rosso
9. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo
10. Kvyat - Toro Rosso
11. Stroll - Racing Point
12. Sainz - McLaren
13. Russell - WIlliams 
14. Kubica - Williams
 
Race:
1. Magnussen - Haas
2. Hulkenberg - Renault +6,8s
3. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo +7,9s
4. Stroll - Racing Point + 8,6s
5. Kvyat - Toro Rosso +9,2s (fastest lap)
6. Norris - McLaren +49,2s
7. Perez - Racing Point +49,7s
8. Albon - Toro Rosso +50,4s
9. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo +1.11,7s
10. Russell - Williams +1 lap (+68,4s)
11. Kubica - Williams +2 laps (+1 lap)
NC Grosjean - Haas
NC Ricciardo - Renault
NC Sainz - McLaren
 
Class 2 WDC:
1. Magnussen - Haas 25
2. Hulkenberg - Renault 18
3. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo 15
4. Stroll - Racing Point 12
5. Kvyat - Toro Rosso 11
6. Norris - McLaren 8
7. Perez - Racing Point 6
8. Albon - Toro Rosso 4
9. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo 2
10. Russell - Williams 1
 
Class 2 WCC:
1. Haas 25
2. Renault 18
2. Racing Point 18
4. Alfa Romeo 17
5. Toro Rosso 15
6. McLaren 8
7. Williams 1
 
Tbh apart from Williams it looks like anyone could win. Haas and Renault for sure look strong. I have a feeling that Kimi will finish high with consistent good results, Giovinazzi is a bit of a question mark and you really need two good drivers to finish well up in the WCC. Perez is always good, and Stroll seems like a pretty good racer, even if he benefited this time from a good strategy. Toro Rossos seemed to have good pace, and I think this year they work much more closely with Red Bull, which could give a boost to their in-season development. Norris really shined in qualifying, Sainz had a weekend to forget but McLaren seem pretty competitive so they could be up there as well. Williams are absolutely nowhere, but I suppose it could be interesting to watch Russell and Kubica battle it out. Early days yet, I guess after 3 or 4 races we'll be a bit wiser.


Edited by Wingcommander, 28 March 2019 - 14:52.


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#2 f1paul

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 19:35

Going to be all about the development race across the year. Haas vs. Renault IMO.



#3 JonnyJ

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 21:04

Good stuff WC! Looking forward to seeing how this plays out again.

#4 Gambelli

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 09:15

Congratulations to all 3 rookies getting points on debut :)



#5 TheJammin

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:16

I did a class 2 championship table on my computer at work last year, glad to see I don't have to this year! Its not ideal to have a 2 tier F1, but I do find the class 2 battle fascinating.

 

Renault vs. Haas is what it's going to come down to I reckon. Fingers crossed for a Grosjean revelation and him to dominate it. Or Ricciardo, or Hulkenberg, or Stroll, or Raikkonen, or Albon, or Magnussen... ah hell I just want good fights, I like them all.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 01:38

I thought it was Class B - but if so surely Williams are in Class C.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:02

I did a class 2 championship table on my computer at work last year, glad to see I don't have to this year! Its not ideal to have a 2 tier F1, but I do find the class 2 battle fascinating.

 

Renault vs. Haas is what it's going to come down to I reckon. Fingers crossed for a Grosjean revelation and him to dominate it. Or Ricciardo, or Hulkenberg, or Stroll, or Raikkonen, or Albon, or Magnussen... ah hell I just want good fights, I like them all.

 

Fact is you could easily introduce a "class 2" into just about any season of F1. There's an undue focus on the gap recently, but it's usually been there. For example, it took Jordan years to overcome it during the 90s, when class 1 was Benetton, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams.



#8 TheJammin

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 08:51

Yup, it's always been there, just in the days of internet and increased focus it's easier to pay attention to it and call it out. And it's a decent midfield these days too.



#9 BRK

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 09:10

Think it's going to be between Hulk, Kimi & Norris for P1.



#10 SenorSjon

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 10:37

I thought it was Class B - but if so surely Williams are in Class C.

 

If F2 is faster, I really wonder where we should classify Williams.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 11:40

I keep my fingers crossed for Kimi and Alfa :p



#12 sopa

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 13:28

For some reason I still think Ricciardo should be able to win this one. Ok, Renault didn't get into Q3 in Australia, but I would be surprised if they didn't beat the midfield on consistency like they managed last year. And Ricciardo should be the most consistent driver in the bunch, despite a bad start - he had a bad one in Australia 2017 too I think.



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Posted 23 March 2019 - 13:30

If there is supposed to be any sense in this, Renault shouldn't qualify. They are just a slow factory team.

 

Now that Red Bull is the main Honda team, there is an excuse to exclude them from class 2.



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Posted 25 March 2019 - 16:39

I thought it was Class B - but if so surely Williams are in Class C.


Yes well done guys. Class C champions 2019! 🤣

#15 TheJammin

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Posted 25 March 2019 - 16:45

The classes could be split based upon budget, which possibly would keep Renault in Class 2 but elevate McLaren into being a truly awful Class 1... :p



#16 Wingcommander

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 14:52

Poll added.


Edited by Wingcommander, 28 March 2019 - 14:52.


#17 Wingcommander

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 13:57

BAHRAIN - SAKHIR

 

Qualifying:

1. Magnussen - Haas

2. Sainz - McLaren

3. Grosjean - Haas

4. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo

5. Norris - McLaren

6. Ricciardo - Renault

7. Albon - Toro Rosso

8. Perez - Racing Point

9. Kvyat - Toro Rosso

10. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo

11. Hulkenberg - Renault

12. Stroll - Racing Point

13. Russell - Williams

14. Kubica - Williams

 

Race:

1. Norris - McLaren 

2. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo +1,7s

3. Albon - Toro Rosso +16,9s

4. Perez - Racing Point +17,9s

5. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo +18,8s

6. Kvyat - Toro Rosso +1.04,4s (fastest lap)

7. Magnussen - Haas +1.05,3s

8. Stroll - Racing Point +1.22,9s

9. Russell - Williams +1 lap (+39,5s)

10. Kubica - Williams +1 lap (+62,3s)

11. Hulkenberg - Renault DNF

12. Ricciardo - Renault DNF

13. Sainz - McLaren DNF

NC Grosjean - Haas DNF

 

Class 2 WDC:

1. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo 33

1. Norris - McLaren 33

3. Magnussen - Haas 31

4. Kvyat - Toro Rosso 20

5. Albon - Toro Rosso 19

6. Hulkenberg - Renault 18

7. Perez - Racing Point 18

8. Stroll - Racing Point 16

9. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo 12

10. Russell - WIlliams 3

11. Kubica - Williams 1

Grosjean - Haas

Ricciardo - Renault

Sainz - McLaren

 

Class 2 WCC

1. Alfa Romeo 45

2. Toro Rosso 39

3. Racing Point 34

4. McLaren 33

5. Haas 31

6. Renault 18

7. Williams 4

 

Norris took his first win only in his second race. All in all he's been very good so far. Sainz had a lot of speed too, so Melbourne was no fluke. Kimi finished a strong second. Albon got on the podium as well after the Renaults embarrassed themselves. The gaps are exaggerated a bit because of the safety car. Haas was very disappointing in the race. No pace at all. Grosjean, Sainz and Ricciardo still haven't finished a race this season.

 

Kimi and Norris share the lead now, but the table would look very different had the Renaults lasted the distance. The top 3 in the WCC are all teams which have had both their drivers finish the first two races. But if current form is anything to go by (which it always isn't), then the future isn't looking too rosy for Toro Rosso and Racing Point. They seem to be lacking a bit of pace right now. Sooner or later Haas, Renault and McLaren will get it together and start scoring big points. Alfa might still be in the fight if Giovinazzi can get it right in qualifying. 



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 14:05

Sorry to be pedantic in this fun little side story but in terms of championship lead, Norris would be leading by virtue of having more 1st places.



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 14:06

Do they get bonus points for defeating tier 1 cars? ;)



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#20 Wingcommander

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 14:08

Sorry to be pedantic in this fun little side story but in terms of championship lead, Norris would be leading by virtue of having more 1st places.

 

I know. But I'm too lazy to take that in to account. Plus I'm Finnish so putting Kimi first was convenient  :cat:



#21 AlexPrime

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 14:10

Lando is a very impressive guy. Stunning speed.



#22 jannyg

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 14:38

Not to add more complexity but I think we need to add fastest lap bonus point for each race?



#23 Wingcommander

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 18:57

Not to add more complexity but I think we need to add fastest lap bonus point for each race?

 

They are already included. Kvyat has two extra points.



#24 jannyg

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 20:19

They are already included. Kvyat has two extra points.


Oh nice work. I should pay more attention

#25 sopa

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 18:46

Interesting start into the season. Renault as a works team should theoretically be favourites, but they have some catch-up to do after a tough start.

 

About others.

Haas blows hot-and-cold as usual, which could be fateful in the end.

Kimi looks like someone, who can hang on there on consistency, a bit like in Lotus days.

McLaren looks quick, but remains to be seen if they can keep up in-season development unlike last year.

Toro Rosso is surprisingly high up there. Somehow I don't expect them to be in the mix by the end, but we will see.

Racing Point on the other hand could impress with in-season development like their predecessor used to do. Perez just has to hang on there with consistent points till the car comes under him later on.



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Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:39

CHINA - SHANGHAI

 

Qualifying:

1. Ricciardo - Renault 1.32,958

2. Hulkenberg - Renault 1.32,962

3. Magnussen - Haas 1.33,150

4. Grosjean - Haas 1.33,156

5. Kvyat - Toro Rosso 1.33,236

6. Perez - Racing Point 1.33,299

7. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo 1.33,419

8. Sainz - McLaren 1.33,523

9. Norris - McLaren 1.33,967

10. Stroll - Racing Point 1.34,292

11. Russell - Williams 1.35,253

12. Kubica - Williams 1.35,281

13. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo

14. Albon - Toro Rosso

 

Race:

1. Ricciardo - Renault

2. Perez - Racing Point +2,0

3. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo +8,7

4. Albon - Toro Rosso +21,3

5. Grosjean - Haas +22,3

6. Stroll - Racing Point +28,9 (fastest lap)

7. Magnussen - Haas +29,8

8. Sainz - McLaren +39,7

9. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo +42,7

10. Russell - Williams +1 lap (+68,5)

11. Kubica - Williams +1 lap (+16,1)

12. Norris - McLaren DNF

NC Kvyat - Toro Rosso DNF

NC Hulkenberg - Renault DNF

 

Class B WDC:

1. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo 48

2. Magnussen - Haas 37

3. Perez - Racing Point 36

4. Norris - McLaren 33

5. Albon - Toro Rosso 31

6. Stroll - Racing Point 25

7. Ricciardo - Renault 25

8. Kvyat - Toro Rosso 20

9. Hulkenberg - Renault 18

10. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo 14

11. Grosjean - Haas 10

12. Russell - Williams 4

13. Sainz - McLaren 4

14. Kubica - Williams 1

 

Class B WCC:

1. Alfa Romeo 62

2. Racing Point 61

3. Toro Rosso 51

4. Haas 47

5. Renault 43

6. McLaren 37

7. Williams 5

 

First win of the season for Ricciardo. If qualifying is anything to go by, then there will be plenty more for Renault. If they could only sort out their reliability. Perez and Kimi drove well, and it's now Alfa and Racing Point who lead the WCC. Kimi has built a bit of a margin in the WDC, as his main rivals have had trouble in turning good qualifying pace into proper results. Toro Rosso have sneaked up to 3rd in the WCC. All six teams are still in the game, Williams have brought a knive into a gun fight,


Edited by Wingcommander, 14 April 2019 - 15:34.


#27 Otaku

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 13:32

I would call it Formula 1.5 :p

 

What about fastest lap in the last race?



#28 Wingcommander

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 15:34

I would call it Formula 1.5 :p

 

What about fastest lap in the last race?

 

It went to Stroll. It's added in the points but forgot to highlight it in the race results. Will fix!



#29 Gorma

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 16:14

I like this. Thanks! Please keep it up for the rest of the season.



#30 sopa

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 16:46

Renault has had only 2 finishes out of possible 6 in the first three races. Appalling, like in the old days. But surely they should sort it out to some extent, and this would make Renault the favourites as they should be. Haas also seems to have a quick car, at least based on qualifying results, but they are so hit-and-miss in converting it into results. Same old story.

 

Raikkonen and Perez will hang in there on consistency. I don't believe McLaren and Toro Rosso can mix it at the front over the whole season, even if they occasionally have highlight results.



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Posted 19 April 2019 - 00:05

Interesting thread. :up: Good to see Kimi on top after 3 races. He'll maximise his results most weekends, as will Ricciardo subject to reliability.

 

I'll go so far as to say the class 2 title race is between Kimi, Dan, Perez and Hulk. jmo 



#32 HeadFirst

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 03:14

Interesting. Hard to imagine Racing Point being #2 in the B-League WCC, after the testing results they had. Stroll getting a fastest lap even in the B-League ...  :well: Kimi's status is no surprise, to me anyway. :clap:



#33 Wingcommander

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 06:49

Maybe some mod (if they're reading this nonsense thread) could change the title to "2019 F1 Class B championship". Thanks in advance.



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Posted 19 April 2019 - 07:15

I'm reading it. It makes a good read because you can get a good idea of what the midfield battle is all about. But I prefer Class 2 myself so I won't be changing it.



#35 sopa

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 16:07

Have to re-consider a bit, how this year could pan out. Renault is surprisingly poor, and it's not just about reliability. On some circuits they struggle to get out of Q1. Baffling. Also on paper they should have the strongest driver line-up among midfield teams to compensate, even though Ricciardo may have lost some of his nerves due to unexpectedly poor car. With last year's 4th Renault struggling, it has to be said last year's 5th Haas is also very suspect, which leaves the season wide-open as in what is going to happen.

 

Only one thing has been certain thus far - Raikkonen and Perez have rock-solid consistency. And in such tight competition consistency will start to count a lot. McLaren fundamentally seems to have a better car than last year, so it will be the question of how well they could maximize it. With Alonso in the car they could likely be favourites for this WDC, I'd say. But of course no Alonso this year, so results are not so certain to come.



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Posted 28 April 2019 - 16:44

Baku’s the only time where Renault have struggled for pace, the rest of the time its always been reliability related. China they led the midfield, Bahrain they led midfield despite Hulk starting down in 17th, Australia Hulk was within two metres of jumping Magnussen for the lead of the midfield. Baku is the exception not the rule for their pace. The problem this season so far has been the reliability.

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 17:17

Rd. 4/21 AZERBAIJAN - BAKU

 

Qualifying:

1. Perez - Racing Point 1.41,593

2. Kvyat - Toro Rosso 1.41,681

3. Norris - McLaren 1.41,886

4. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo 1.42,424 (1.42,140)

5. Sainz - McLaren 1.42,398 (1.41,936)

6. Ricciardo - Renault 1.42,477

7. Albon - Toro Rosso 1.42,494 (1.42,154)

8. Magnussen - Haas 1.42,699 (1.42,382)

9. Stroll - Racing Point 1.42,630

10. Grosjean - Haas 1.43,407

11. Hulkenberg - Renault 1.43,427

12. Russell - Williams 1.45,062

13. Kubica - Williams 1.45,455

DSQ Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo

 

Race:

1. Perez - Racing Point

2. Sainz - McLaren +7,4

3. Norris - McLaren +23,9 (fastest lap)

4. Stroll - Racing Point +27,4

5. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo +46,6

6. Albon - Toro Rosso +49,3

7. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo +51,8

8. Magnussen - Haas +1.19,5

9. Hulkenberg - Renault +1.44,5

10. Russell - Williams +1 lap (+50,2)

11. Kubica - Williams +1 lap (+33,1)

NC Grosjean - Haas DNF

NC Kvyat - Toro Rosso DNF

NC Ricciardo - Renault DNF

 

Class B WDC:

1. Perez - Racing Point 61

2. Räikkönen - Alfa Romeo 58

3. Norris - McLaren 49

4. Magnussen - Haas 41

5. Albon - Toro Rosso 39

6. Stroll - Racing Point 37

7. Ricciardo - Renault 25

8. Sainz - McLaren 22

9. Kvyat - Toro Rosso 20

10. Hulkenberg - Renault 20

11. Giovinazzi - Alfa Romeo 20

12. Grosjean - Haas 10

13. Russell - Williams 5

14. Kubica - Williams 1

 

Class B WCC:

1. Racing Point 98

2. Alfa Romeo 78

3. McLaren 71

4. Toro Rosso 59

5. Haas 51

6. Renault 45

7. Williams 6

 

Perez and Racing Point moved to the lead after their first win of the year. We have now had four different drivers and teams winning this year. Maybe they should just ban Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull to make it more entertaining. 

 

 

 



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Posted 28 April 2019 - 17:33

Perez leading, wow. Raikkonen close to leading and Norris not far behind as I expected. Ricciardo needs to get a handle on the car first. Albon very impressive. 

 

This is so much more exciting than Class A



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Posted 28 April 2019 - 17:48

 

Perez and Racing Point moved to the lead after their first win of the year. We have now had four different drivers and teams winning this year. Maybe they should just ban Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull to make it more entertaining. 

 

Just goes to show that F1 would be mega competitive, on a level of a Formula E, Indycar or BTCC, if Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull could just be pegged back to the resources available to the rest of the teams.



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Posted 28 April 2019 - 17:50

Perez doing a great job with a Racing Point that is supposedly still very close to launch-spec.

McLaren also coming on song after some rough opening races.

And Kimi AGAIN finding a way to score points.

Expecting great development throughout the season from RP, McLaren and Alfa. It seems bleak against the top guys but I think they can make decent progress.

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 19:23

Five different teams represented in top 5 of drivers' standings. And before that race it was 6 different teams in WDC top 6, before Ricciardo had a DNF and Stroll moved ahead of him.



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Posted 28 April 2019 - 20:43

If only this was the real championship... Keep it up, I'm always looking forward to check the standings in here :up:

Edited by Jovanotti, 28 April 2019 - 20:43.


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Posted 28 April 2019 - 20:47

Despite only 14 participants, there haven't been fewer than 11 finishers in any race. Which means we are yet to see a race with fewer finishers than awarded point positions. :p



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Posted 28 April 2019 - 21:28

Perez and Racing Point moved to the lead after their first win of the year. We have now had four different drivers and teams winning this year. Maybe they should just ban Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull to make it more entertaining.


3 car teams - 21 car grid :D

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 22:48

Sad to see my boy Kvyat barely scoring points even here.

A real life non-championship event for these teams would be epic. Hardly any blue flags. Battling rather than trying to bring the car back in one piece.
Make it three cars per team, 3rd driver a true rookie, slightly looser superlicense threshold.



#46 sopa

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 06:54

Sad to see my boy Kvyat barely scoring points even here.

A real life non-championship event for these teams would be epic. Hardly any blue flags. 

 

Blue flags would still be for Williams though. :p



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Posted 29 April 2019 - 07:12

:up: Thanks for providing the statistics and running the show Wingcommander !



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Posted 29 April 2019 - 08:52

By the way, I would like to mention one more thing about this championship. Despite lack of speed Stroll appears to be a pretty decent #2 driver! With only 14 competitors it's vital to get to the chequered flag, because then it is very likely you would be scoring points for this effort. And Stroll has been consistently getting to the finish, and thus is currently the best-placed #2 driver in the championship. Of course, it also speaks well for the reliability of Racing Point-Mercedes.

 

Anyway, if other teams want to take on Racing Point in the constructors, the likes of Sainz, Kvyat, Grosjean and Giovinazzi certainly have to up their game and score consistently good points not to let the team of consistency (RP) run away with things.



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Posted 29 April 2019 - 19:29

Sad to see my boy Kvyat barely scoring points even here.

A real life non-championship event for these teams would be epic. Hardly any blue flags. Battling rather than trying to bring the car back in one piece.
Make it three cars per team, 3rd driver a true rookie, slightly looser superlicense threshold.

 

:mad:  If only he wasn't Ricciardo'd in Baku and Sainz'd in China. Otherwise he'd definitely be in the fight for podiums. I feel like he's shown good pace a lot of the time.  



#50 Dratini

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 17:12

Nice front row lockout for Haas, and a great opportunity for Norris who is 12 points adrift starting on the second row while championship leader Perez starts down in ninth.