18 replies to this topic

[Barry Boor]

Gentlemen, the following photo (unattributed) turned up on Facebook this morning.  It was posted under the heading '1960 - Dan Gurney, B.R.M.

 

Quite obviously it is most assuredly none of those so I began investagation to try to identify it.  I thought I had it.... Juan Manuel Bordeu, Stanguellini - 1959, but that has been correctly refuted.

 

(PLEASE SEE JOHN'S LINK IN THE NEXT POST - MINE WON'T WORK)

 

So, who, what and when?

 

In July 1962, at the age of 14, I walked out of that lovely station and onto that very piece of race track, and I have loved it ever since, though far less today than back then.

 

It is the accepted wisdom, among we older people, to knock Facebook but I can tell you that it's a never ending source of unseen photographs and I, for one, am very happy to be part of it.

 

(There is another reason which a few of you know about!) 

Edited by Barry Boor, 22 March 2019 - 16:51.

[john winfield]

Barry, I can't get your link to work. Is this the one?

 

https://www.facebook...iwdpcob

 

Edit. What makes you, or others, think this isn't a Stanguellini in 1959, possibly Bordeu as listed on Stefan's site?  Is the state of the station the clue? ie from a later year?

Edited by john winfield, 22 March 2019 - 16:47.

[Barry Boor]

Yes, John, but I don't understand why I can't get the picture to load.  I'm doing nothing different from all the other dozens of images I've put on TNF,  Strange.

[Tim Murray]

This photo is captioned here as being Bordeu at Monaco in 1959. The number on the nose is in a different position to the number on the mystery car:

[Barry Boor]

Yes, Tim, that's why my original identification proved to be wrong.

[Vitesse2]

Different paint jobs too.

[Tim Murray]

Yes indeed. As the clip below shows, Bordeu’s Stanguellini was blue with yellow trimmings:

https://youtu.be/sbl1nhoThYg

[Michael Ferner]

It could be Giovanni Alberti. He was #44 at Monaco, but raced with #4 the week before at Monza. Maybe this is an early practice pic, and he hadn't changed his number yet?

[Barry Boor]

Yes, that is the way my thoughts have bee not going, too.

[GazChed]

I seem to remember a picture of Fangio demonstrating a Stanguellini Formula Junior during the 1959 Monaco GP meeting .

[StanBarrett2]

Gentlemen, the following photo (unattributed) turned up on Facebook this morning.  It was posted under the heading '1960 - Dan Gurney, B.R.M.

 

Quite obviously it is most assuredly none of those so I began investagation to try to identify it.  I thought I had it.... Juan Manuel Bordeu, Stanguellini - 1959, but that has been correctly refuted.

 

(PLEASE SEE JOHN'S LINK IN THE NEXT POST - MINE WON'T WORK)

 

So, who, what and when?

 

In July 1962, at the age of 14, I walked out of that lovely station and onto that very piece of race track, and I have loved it ever since, though far less today than back then.

 

It is the accepted wisdom, among we older people, to knock Facebook but I can tell you that it's a never ending source of unseen photographs and I, for one, am very happy to be part of it.

 

(There is another reason which a few of you know about!) 

Came up here on P300 also

http://forum.p300.it...#comment-599970

[D-Type]

Are we sure it's a Stanguellini?  It appears to be perfectly symmetrical while surely the Stanguellini had the driving position slightly offset to the left to allow the prop shaft to sit alongside the driver.  Or is my "forgettory" at fault?

[Ray Bell]

Just as an incidental point...

 

The Station Hairpin looks a lot more complete with a station there.

[Michael Ferner]

Are we sure it's a Stanguellini?  It appears to be perfectly symmetrical while surely the Stanguellini had the driving position slightly offset to the left to allow the prop shaft to sit alongside the driver.  Or is my "forgettory" at fault?

That crossed my mind, too. I think the picture is not very clear on that aspect, with the angle from which the car was photographed and the distance making things decidedly difficult to judge properly. I'm open for suggestions!

[cpbell]

Are we sure it isn't a Vanwall in 1956?  Few years out, I know, but it would explain the symmetrical cockpit position and the pointed nose (they used a shorter version in '57).

[Bloggsworth]

Are we sure it isn't a Vanwall in 1956?  Few years out, I know, but it would explain the symmetrical cockpit position and the pointed nose (they used a shorter version in '57).

 

Yes we are, because it hasn't got the distinctive four-fingered exhaust; and it definitely hasn't got an offset cockpit - It's a good photo and will take a lot of enlarging.

[Bloggsworth]

I think that the Bandini and Osella had offset cockpits, not sure about the De Sanctis.

[Rob G]

Does anyone have schedules and weather reports from the era? That might narrow down the possibilities. The shadows show that this photo was taken late in the afternoon on a sunny day, with what appears to be a decent crowd as shown in the upper-left part of the background.

[Tim Murray]

A couple of things strike me about the mystery image. First, the complete absence of advertising banners etc. Might this indicate that the photo was taken very early in the meeting, before they had time to put them up around the track?

Second, I can’t see the piece of Armco at the entrance to the hairpin. It’s clearly visible in this shot of Trintignant in 1957:

https://jarrotts.com...ntignantweb.jpg

Either it’s hidden behind the straw bales, or the photo was taken earlier than we currently think. The Armco wasn’t there in 1950, but I haven’t been able to find a photo showing whether it was there or not between 1950 and 1957.