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[Boniver]

Is this overview correct and complete

 

1929 Alfredo Caniato was the first President from Scuderia Ferrari

        

        and the top was his brother Augusto Caniato and Mario Tadini

        with Enzo Ferrari - Alfa Romeo - Pirelli - Testi

 

1933 Carlo Felice Trossi was President from Scuderia Ferrari

         with Enzo Ferrai and Testi

 

 

1937 80% Alfa Romeo and 20 % Enzo Ferrari

 

1938 Alfa Romeo close Scuderia Ferrari

 

1947 Ferrari SpA  (with Scuderia Ferrari Racing Team)   who ?????? only Enzo Ferrari and his woman

 

1957 Auto Construction Ferrari      who ??? only Enzo Ferrari and his woman

 

1960 Societa Esercizio Automobile et Corse   - SEFAC spa   who ??? only Enzo Ferrari and his woman

 

1965 Ferrari SpA (50% Ferrari - 40% Fiat - ??? 10%)

 

1988 Fiat 90% - Piero Ferrari 10%

 

2002 Mediobank 34% -  Fiat 66% - Piero Ferrai 10%

 

2010 Fiat Chrysler 90% - Piero Ferrari 10%

 

2015 FCA Group ( Fiat Chrysler 45% - familie Agnelli Exot/Fiat 45% - Pierro Ferrari 10%)

 

[ReWind]

SEFAC is Società Esercisio Fabriche Automobili e Corse. It was founded on 23 May 1960 by Enzo Ferrari and French businessman Michel Paul-Cavallier (1909 – 1964).

[Dipster]

Is this overview correct and complete

 

1929 Alfredo Caniato was the first President from Scuderia Ferrari

        

        and the top was his brother Augusto Caniato and Mario Tadini

        with Enzo Ferrari - Alfa Romeo - Pirelli - Testi

 

1933 Carlo Felice Trossi was President from Scuderia Ferrari

         with Enzo Ferrai and Testi

 

 

1937 80% Alfa Romeo and 20 % Enzo Ferrari

 

1938 Alfa Romeo close Scuderia Ferrari

 

1947 Ferrari SpA  (with Scuderia Ferrari Racing Team)   who ?????? only Enzo Ferrari and his woman

 

1957 Auto Construction Ferrari      who ??? only Enzo Ferrari and his woman

 

1960 Societa Esercizio Automobile et Corse   - SEFAC spa   who ??? only Enzo Ferrari and his woman

 

1965 Ferrari SpA (50% Ferrari - 40% Fiat - ??? 10%)

 

1988 Fiat 90% - Piero Ferrari 10%

 

2002 Mediobank 34% -  Fiat 66% - Piero Ferrai 10%

 

2010 Fiat Chrysler 90% - Piero Ferrari 10%

 

2015 FCA Group ( Fiat Chrysler 45% - familie Agnelli Exot/Fiat 45% - Pierro Ferrari 10%)

2002 totals 110%. Not really possible I think.

[BRG]

2002 totals 110%. Not really possible I think.

It's Italian corporate governance, so it is quite possible.

[kayemod]

It's Italian corporate governance, so it is quite possible.

 

Yes, and don't mention what passes for their legal system.

[Boniver]

no Ferrari fans on  Nostalgia Forum

 

or no Ferrari specialists on Nostalgia Forum

[opplock]

"1965 Ferrari SpA (50% Ferrari - 40% Fiat - ??? 10%)"

 

Most sources date the Fiat deal to summer of 1969 (June 21st - Rogliatti). Post deal shareholders - Ferrari 49%, to be ceded to Fiat on his death, Fiat 40%, Pininfarina 1%, Piero Lardi 10%.

 

I've been a Ferrari enthusiast since first seeing a 250/275 LM.  More than a few of us on here I imagine but despite being a Chartered Accountant my interest is in the cars. Interest in shareholdings approximately zero.  

[Vitesse2]

The answers are probably all in Luca Dal Monte's recent biography of Enzo Ferrari. I do have a copy, but it's 954 pages of very dense text and I don't have the time to re-read it right now ...

[kayemod]

The answers are probably all in Luca Dal Monte's recent biography of Enzo Ferrari.

 

I finished that massive tome a couple of weeks ago. Hard work, and I'm still suffering from Ferrari fatigue.

[guiporsche]

June 1969- August 1988: Enzo Ferrari 49%, Piero Ferrari 10%; Pininfarina 1% (but until when?), Fiat 40% with the promise of getting Enzo's 49% after his death.

Possibly: August 1988-December 1988: Vittorio Ghidella 49%/50% (usually described in the Italian press as having the legal rights to claim Enzo's 50%, Pininfarina's 1% never being mentioned), Piero 10%, Fiat 40%

December 1988-2002: Fiat 90%; Piero Ferrari 10%

 

The Ghidella episode is a curio, but an important one. Adding the Italian press (L'Espresso, La Reppublica, L'Unità) to G. Garuzzo's description of the events (head of Iveco and member of Fiat's board), sometime in-between 1981-3 Vittorio Ghidella asked to be a Ferrari shareholder. Eventually and as as a reward for his services because G. Agnelli feared losing him he obtained (quite incredibly, nonetheless) the promise of getting Enzo's 49% - the same 49% that were to revert to Fiat. Ghidella would thus become the Old Man's true successor. This was eventually revealed by the press before Enzo's death, who was none too pleased, who probably had known of it for a long time and had naturally never liked Ghidella (judging by Garuzzo's comments). Although an open secret it finally came to the eyes of the public when by June 88 there started to appear the first rumours of Ghidella's fallout from grace. According to Garuzzo there were some contentious meetings going on as Fiat had to convince Ghidella to not exercise his legal rights to those shares. Which was indeed what took place sometime in-between Enzo's death in August and Ghidella's official exit from Fiat in December 88. The price was hefty as Garuzzo advances that the compensation amounted to 80 billion lire (80,000,000,000=41,316,551.927€ according to xe.com, so a rough conversion as I did not look for the lira's '88 ex-rate).

 

Whatever happened in Fiat's corridors, in the end they paid twice for those 49%: in 1969 & in 1988. Not a bad investment, though, as things have turned out. 

Edited by guiporsche, 31 March 2019 - 14:32.

[Boniver]

thanks for the info,

 

Ferrari stays "The mantle of mystique"

[Charlieman]

thanks for the info,

 

Ferrari stays "The mantle of mystique"

What is important to you about Ferrari ownership? If you present a more open question, you may receive more open answers. 

[John Ginger]

Stumbled across this small exhibition in Sirmione, Lake Garda yesterday, I wondered how well known this collection is
It’s open until 30th June



Apologies for the unclear image, fairly surprised it appeared at all

Photographs from the Negri? archive

Edited by John Ginger, 03 June 2019 - 09:35.