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#1 HistoryFan

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 13:35

In Bahrain we had 60 passes in comparison to 52 in 2018. But with 3 instead of 2 DRS zones...



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#2 Heyli

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 13:53

In Bahrain we had 60 passes in comparison to 52 in 2018. But with 3 instead of 2 DRS zones...

But we also had Hamilton and Verstappen starting further back, no?



#3 f1paul

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 14:15

And, we did not just have lots of battles in the midfield but at the very front as well.

 

Hamilton vs. Bottas

Leclerc vs. Vettel

Hamilton vs. Vettel x2



#4 THEWALL

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 14:29

DRS fly bys should not count as passes.

In any case, Kimi seems to think, in his typical vague style, that the new regs have improved close following. Lewis, on the other hand, believes they haven’t made the slightest difference. Brawn is already lauding the changes as successful. As expected...

Edited by THEWALL, 06 April 2019 - 14:33.


#5 SenorSjon

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 08:14

But we also had Hamilton and Verstappen starting further back, no?

 

Verstappen was out in the second lap. 



#6 7MGTEsup

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 14:38

In any case, Kimi seems to think, in his typical vague style, that the new regs have improved close following. Lewis, on the other hand, believes they haven’t made the slightest difference. Brawn is already lauding the changes as successful. As expected...

 

Do you not think some of that could be down to the different cars they are driving? The Merc has seemed to struggle in traffic over the years and the Sauber has been a mid field car for years so maybe they have to make a car that can follow?

 

Just a thought



#7 TheJammin

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 15:34

You can't discount DRS passes because of it's 'artificial' nature. It's still a pass using the tools available to you.

 

Unless we're going to discount any Mercedes or Ferrari powered overtakes on Renault engines, or any cars with inherently better chassis overtaking a lesser car. An overtake is an overtake, regardless of how you feel about the tools used.

 

I mean I'm on the fence of whether going past an ailing car like Leclercs should count as an overtake, but in the grand scheme of things, it still is, its just a damn easy one.



#8 ElectricBoogie

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 16:45

Fast cars starting out of place could indeed be a big factor.
With a perfectly representative qualifying and boring pit strategy for all, there could be zero overtake and not even need for DRS or tricks.

Looking at it the other way around, how many cars with seemingly better pace found themselves stuck, for how many laps? 
Also, how close did they follow through corner before the most likely overtake zones?
In the past we often saw cars struggling to make DRS without destroying the tyres.

Witth super close following and no overtakes, there is still something wrong of course. In the past, just the slipstream would do the trick and top speeds weren't all that different.



#9 HistoryFan

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 17:30

310 to 305 overtakings compared to 2018 after 10 races.

 

Race: 2018/2019

Australia: 5/11

Bahrain: 52/60

China: 48/34

Baku: 49/51

Spain: 13/23

Monaco: 7/2

Canada: 11/33

France: 57/27

Austria: 30/43

Great Britain: 33/26

 

Source is Auto Motor and Sport. Do you know where to get such numbers?



#10 djparky

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 17:48

Apparently they had 150 on track passes for position in the Indy Car race at Road America....not 310 from 10 events...

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 20:31

Apparently they had 150 on track passes for position in the Indy Car race at Road America....not 310 from 10 events...


And?

For me that means overtaking is too easy and becomes meaningless. But that’s just me.

In general, the US crowd like sports with big scores.

#12 Heyli

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 20:32

310 to 305 overtakings compared to 2018 after 10 races.

 

Race: 2018/2019

Australia: 5/11

Bahrain: 52/60

China: 48/34

Baku: 49/51

Spain: 13/23

Monaco: 7/2

Canada: 11/33

France: 57/27

Austria: 30/43

Great Britain: 33/26

 

Source is Auto Motor and Sport. Do you know where to get such numbers?

I would say that last year there were more "events" in the first few races which bumped up the number of overtakes than this year. I only remember the ones where the top teams are involved (sorry, they just stand out more...)

 

Bottas botched qualifying in Austrlia.

I think we had both Hamilton and Max starting out of position in Bahrein? 

We had the Safety car in China, which brought the field close together towards the end of the race.

Max starting at the back in Monaco.

Vettel & Bottas incident in France.

Hamilton in GB.

 

In my memory we had less this year:

- LeClerc in Baku.

- LeClerc in Monaco (which didnt really end well...)

- Max in Austria.

 

If my memory is indeed correct, that significantly affects the amount of overtakes.



#13 Garndell

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 23:23

And?

For me that means overtaking is too easy and becomes meaningless. But that’s just me.

In general, the US crowd like sports with big scores.

On it being too easy, absolutely.  Also it's like comparing an  Apple (F1) to a Turnip (Indycar).

 

I would agree on the last part but Ice Hockey, Baseball & American Rugby (NFL) all feature low (or relatively low) scoring, Basketball loves high scores though.



#14 Cliff

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 08:07

On it being too easy, absolutely. Also it's like comparing an Apple (F1) to a Turnip (Indycar).

I would agree on the last part but Ice Hockey, Baseball & American Rugby (NFL) all feature low (or relatively low) scoring, Basketball loves high scores though.


Still a lot higher than the most popular sport in the world: Football

#15 Laster

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 08:13

Apparently they had 150 on track passes for position in the Indy Car race at Road America....not 310 from 10 events...

I watch the Indycar, I don’t feel like there was that many overtakes in that race. Which makes me wonder what their definition of an overtake is. Though no doubt they have a lot more overtakes at any given race than F1.

#16 Peat

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 08:15

And?

For me that means overtaking is too easy and becomes meaningless. But that’s just me.

In general, the US crowd like sports with big scores.

 

Pretty sure that must include pitstops to fluff the numbers. 

RA was a good race, but it wasn't a pass-fest. They have to work hard to force a pass there. 



#17 Bleu

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 08:23

I watch the Indycar, I don’t feel like there was that many overtakes in that race. Which makes me wonder what their definition of an overtake is. Though no doubt they have a lot more overtakes at any given race than F1.

 

I feel like they count everything. Like last race Leclerc and Gasly overtook Vettel and Verstappen as a result of the collision between latter two and then Vettel limping to the pits was overtaken by several drivers. 



#18 bibliophagos

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 08:24

For me overtaking doesn't really matter if there's exciting racing going on. A driver relentlessly attacking another driver without in the end being able to make the overtake stick is more exciting to me than meaningless DRS passes. I thoroughly enjoyed the fight between Max and Leclerc, for example.

#19 HistoryFan

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 13:40

And?

For me that means overtaking is too easy and becomes meaningless. But that’s just me.

In general, the US crowd like sports with big scores.

 

normally in IndyCar overtakings are much more exciting than in Formula 1.

 



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#20 CountDooku

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 13:51

Oh great, another thread for the Indy mafia to use and dump on F1.

#21 A3

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 06:32

normally in IndyCar overtakings are much more exciting than in Formula 1.


Ok.

#22 HistoryFan

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 09:34

does any one know how many overtakings we had?

Without first lap and without retirements?



#23 Burtros

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 09:45

F1 fans getting upset over Indy? I watched Indy a few years ago and now I hardly watch F1 at all. Predictable rubbish where they can’t even get overtaking right and count one car dumping its drag to drive past another in a straight line as an overtake. I’ve made more exciting overtakes myself on the bloody M5 motorway than most in F1 these days.

Let’s ask how many non DRS aided overtakes happen and get some a real idea of how massively unattractive F1 is compared to just about any other motorsport let alone specifically Indy.