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#51 PayasYouRace

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 09:48

Somebody should say this, I think.  I keep hearing about or reading references to the 1000th Grand Prix.  The Racing Point preview calls it ‘the 1000th Formula One race’.  Mention of the World Championship seems to have gone missing.  There haven’t been as many F1 races as there have been Grands Prix, but there have been more than 1000 of each - unless you are talking about F1 World Championship races.  I think we all know this, but I wanted to state it anyway.

 

 

Yes we've all gone over it many, many times. Correctly it's the 1000th World Drivers' Championship race, going back to when the World Drivers' Championship started at the European/British Grand Prix at Silverstone in 1950. The number includes the 11 Indianapolis 500s that were included in the championship from 1950 to 1960 inclusive, and the two years that the championship was held for F2 cars in 1952 and 1952.

 

However, seeing as since 1983, Formula 1 and the World Championship have been synonymous (basically since the last non-championship F1 race at Brands Hatch that year - The Race of Champions), it's more convenient to simply say the 1000th F1 race. It's not strictly correct, but it's easier to brand. History buffs will get in a twist about it, but it's hardly the end of the world.


Edited by PayasYouRace, 09 April 2019 - 09:50.


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#52 TomNokoe

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 09:52

It's basically a repeat of last year, Ferrari with a monster engine, Mercedes trying to claw time back in the corners.

And yet Bottas was leading after the first stops, despite both Mercedes having relatively anonymous weekends after struggling on the Ultrasoft in quali.

I think it will be very similar this year, however Hamilton seems to have bedded in to the W10 much faster than the last couple of years, and China is renowned for being one of his best tracks.

Red Bull was apparently the class of the field through the winding turn 11 in Bahrain and so hopefully can come closer to the top 2 if they resolve their setup issues.

Expecting the midfield to take a half-step back compared to Bahrain, but still very excited to watch McLaren's revival and Renault trying to string a weekend together against the mighty Haas ... and Kimi tends to go well here (I think?). A shame the Ferrari engine modes are factory-exclusive.

Temps look overall much warmer than last year for Friday and Saturday, but maybe overcast on Sunday. If the race had been last weekend we would've had air temps of 30°C!!

Top teams will probably need to run the C4 (Ultra) in Q2 which probably locks them in to a bonafide 2 stop, it will be similar to Bahrain in this respect.

Edited by TomNokoe, 09 April 2019 - 09:58.


#53 SilverArrow31

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 10:02

yeah, not a fan of the 1000th race being held in China. Should be Silverstone, would be the right thing to do. If they tried to make Silverstone happen on the 2019 calender and failed I won't judge them but something tells they just didn't care.

 

Just like Abu Dhabi is a terrible season closer in general, but hey there's probably a lot of money involved.

 

At the very least they looked into it, I recall that they didn't make it Silverstone due to weather concerns in the UK in April, imagine it snowing and the 1000th race being cancelled.



#54 TomNokoe

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 10:25

At the very least they looked into it, I recall that they didn't make it Silverstone due to weather concerns in the UK in April, imagine it snowing and the 1000th race being cancelled.


Correct:

https://uk.reuters.c...e-idUKKCN1IF110

It's currently single digit °C in Silverstone. It would've been a disaster.

I think it's quite apt that it's in China. New World Order and all that...


Edited by TomNokoe, 09 April 2019 - 11:56.


#55 Mosrite

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 10:49

Just putting it out there that last time Vettel won this race was in 2009 and it's been Mercedes, and Red Bull that have won at this track for the past 5 years. Just don't get all caught up in the media and toto's fairy tales about Ferrari because it was the same last year and the year before, but the results don't lie. I've bet on Hamilton again, odds are too good to ignore. 



#56 cheekybru

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 10:51

Ironic thing is is Ferrari let the other teams use the new engine they might make things more difficult for merc

#57 Astandahl

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:00

Just putting it out there that last time Vettel won this race was in 2009 and it's been Mercedes, and Red Bull that have won at this track for the past 5 years. Just don't get all caught up in the media and toto's fairy tales about Ferrari because it was the same last year and the year before, but the results don't lie. I've bet on Hamilton again, odds are too good to ignore. 

Last year Ferrari lost due to the SC and the year before was more or less the same + Kimi slowing Seb. Ferrari had the pace to compete for the win in the last couple of years but yes Hamilton is always a good bet.



#58 rootten

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:12

Ironic thing is is Ferrari let the other teams use the new engine they might make things more difficult for merc

 

Nah, those B teams would get easly overtaken in the race



#59 7MGTEsup

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:14

The 1000th GP deserves rain, two SCs, 9 DNFs and at least one shock podium finisher.

 

A Stroll win with McLarens filling out the podium and the Williams cars finishing P4 and P5 would make it a stand out race. But I get the feeling it will be a cruise and collect for the top 3 teams. 



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#60 subh

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:19

Yes we've all gone over it many, many times. Correctly it's the 1000th World Drivers' Championship race

 

Indeed.  Except that I have always maintained that it should be the Drivers’ World Championship not the World Drivers’ Championship....



#61 7MGTEsup

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:21

Obviously the correct answer is Silverstone, but the British Grand Prix in April is just asking for trouble from the weather.

 

Yes some of us remember Silverstone 2000, what were they thinking?



#62 SirT

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:45

Just putting it out there that last time Vettel won this race was in 2009 and it's been Mercedes, and Red Bull that have won at this track for the past 5 years. Just don't get all caught up in the media and toto's fairy tales about Ferrari because it was the same last year and the year before, but the results don't lie. I've bet on Hamilton again, odds are too good to ignore. 

 

What fairy tales?

 

Just because Ferrari didn't win last year or 2017, doesn't mean they can't be favourites.

 

IIRC the early safety car helped Merc and hindered Vettel in 2017 and last year the late safety car call messed up Bottas and Vettel's battle for the win.



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Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:49

Ironic thing is is Ferrari let the other teams use the new engine they might make things more difficult for merc

If those claims of Ferrari gaining 0.4s on the straights are true, Haas and Alfa would easily be able to lead the midfield.

#64 PayasYouRace

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 12:12

Indeed. Except that I have always maintained that it should be the Drivers’ World Championship not the World Drivers’ Championship....


Depends if you want a world championship for drivers or a drivers’ championship of the world.

#65 TomNokoe

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 12:14

If those claims of Ferrari gaining 0.4s on the straights are true, Haas and Alfa would easily be able to lead the midfield.

Haas would be troubling Mercedes in qualifying.

It's a shame, but understandable. I'm really looking forward to Monaco this season because the field seems to have really closed up chassis-wise. It's not going to be super close, but closer than it has been for a loooong time.



#66 7MGTEsup

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 12:53

I'm really looking forward to Monaco this season because the field seems to have really closed up chassis-wise. It's not going to be super close, but closer than it has been for a loooong time.

 

Why would you look forward to a "race" where you can win driving 5 or more seconds off the pace as no one can get past you if you keep the middle ground on the road?



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Posted 09 April 2019 - 14:26

Last year Ferrari lost due to the SC and the year before was more or less the same + Kimi slowing Seb. Ferrari had the pace to compete for the win in the last couple of years but yes Hamilton is always a good bet.

No last year, Bottas lost the race due to the SC.

 

Bottas undercut Vettel at the pitstop and was in the lead prior to the SC.



#68 statman

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 13:40

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#69 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 13:43

Rain forecast this weekend ?



#70 statman

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 13:51

oh god, Vettel on a public simulator in China showing his current form:

 

https://twitter.com/...933155222065154

 

:drunk:  :well:  :lol:


Edited by statman, 10 April 2019 - 13:51.


#71 SenorSjon

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 14:32

Rain forecast this weekend ?

 

100%, but dropping to 0% as the week progresses, just like every race.



#72 TomNokoe

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 14:35

Rain forecast this weekend ?


Dry. Warm. Maybe overcast. Windy, again.

#73 TomNokoe

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 14:38

Surprised nobody posted this already...

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Looking like a 2 stop again, especially with forecast temps on Sunday.

Big delta between the C3 (S) and C4 (US) compounds should force top teams to qualify in Q2 on the C4.

C4 will really struggle on race day.

Edited by TomNokoe, 10 April 2019 - 14:40.


#74 haryantofan666

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 15:20

During pre season testing in Barcelona (also a front left limited circuit), the C2 looked to be the preferred race tyre. Now why would you bring only 1 set of those? I guess the teams had to choose before pre season testing? On a track that's hard on tyres and without knowing the tyres, it looks like a blunder



#75 AlexPrime

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 15:28

I expect a 1-2 Merc win, regardless of qualy result. :cry:



#76 popolonx

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 15:51

Hell will freeze before Ferrari would win this race. Mercedes other hand is gods favorite.

#77 muramasa

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 15:58

 

- That F1 1000 anniversary champagne looks like dedicated to Ferrari, so Ferrari will win

 

- blue French dragon for Gasly and orange Netherlands dragon for Maxtappen, nice one

 

- Sebaspin! :D :D



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Posted 10 April 2019 - 16:09

Rain forecast this weekend ?

 

Wet smog, changing to cloudy smog, with a slight chance of lung cancer as the week progresses.



#79 Gary Davies

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 16:42

Monza 2018. Spin.

Suzuka 2018. Spin.

Austin 2018. Spin.

 

Bahrain 2019. Spin.

 

Any guesses as to when Vettel will spin in Shanghai?



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#80 SenorSjon

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 16:47

During pre season testing in Barcelona (also a front left limited circuit), the C2 looked to be the preferred race tyre. Now why would you bring only 1 set of those? I guess the teams had to choose before pre season testing? On a track that's hard on tyres and without knowing the tyres, it looks like a blunder

They choose 14 weeks in advance. That is before testing. They will run to delta anyway.

#81 StanBarrett2

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 16:48

Wet smog, changing to cloudy smog, with a slight chance of lung cancer as the week progresses.

enjoy yourself



#82 statman

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 16:58

Press Conferences:
 
Thursday:
Kimi Raikkonen (Alfa)
Romain Grosjean (Haas)
Sergio Perez (Racing Point
Alexander Albon (Toro Rosso)
 
Friday:
Toto Wolff (Mercedes)
Mattia Binotto (Ferrari)
Andrew Green (Racing Point
Toyoharu Tanabe (Honda)


#83 JHSingo

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 17:11

Are they actually doing anything special to mark the fact it's the 1000th race? I was expecting teams running retro colours or something a bit different, but so far that wouldn't appear to be the case.

 

It would be a bit strange for them to make such a fuss about the countdown to this race, and then not really do anything different.



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Posted 10 April 2019 - 17:11

Monza 2018. Spin.

Suzuka 2018. Spin.

Austin 2018. Spin.

 

Bahrain 2019. Spin.

 

Any guesses as to when Vettel will spin in Shanghai?

 

Actually, Shanghai '18 was the inauguration for Sebaspin....although that spin was externally induced, but still a spin nonetheless.  

 

We (more like he) will just come full circle if he spins again here '19......don't worry, I'll let myself out after that! :wave:


Edited by dn12005, 10 April 2019 - 17:13.


#85 muramasa

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 17:21

no....last year's was 'tappen'ed...

 

 

btw, we've already seen his LAST spin of 2019 from our Sebastian.



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Posted 10 April 2019 - 17:32

During pre season testing in Barcelona (also a front left limited circuit), the C2 looked to be the preferred race tyre. Now why would you bring only 1 set of those? I guess the teams had to choose before pre season testing? On a track that's hard on tyres and without knowing the tyres, it looks like a blunder

Every single team has brought at least 1 extra set to use in practice.

I do think the teams have maybe under-estimated the compound changes this year, but grid position is so important that you have to really focus on unlocking the softer compounds.

The C2 and C3 are quite similar and often reliable so I don't think it's that important. One run in FP1 or FP2 is all they need.

I wish Pirelli would just drop the C1. Bridgestone had 4 compounds only when they was the sole tyre supplier and it worked pretty well. Pirelli's best year was arguably their first, 2011, but already this season it seems maybe after 6 years they've figured it out.

Oh well, everything will reset with 18-inch rims and 2021 regulations :lol:

Edited by TomNokoe, 10 April 2019 - 17:34.


#87 pRy

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 17:36

Official video for race 1000:

 

 

The lack of moving images from the early years struck me as rather odd. Perhaps they decided to do it for artistic reasons? 



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Posted 10 April 2019 - 17:44

They should have ended that video after the drivers' segment, it was almost perfect. I had goosebumps up until the Hamilton/Vettel part.

Maybe it just wasn't edited well, but the 2006-2018 part just wasn't as good as 1950-2005 :cry:

Edited by TomNokoe, 10 April 2019 - 17:46.


#89 Victor_RO

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 18:06

The lack of moving images from the early years struck me as rather odd. Perhaps they decided to do it for artistic reasons? 

 

Might be a bit complicated rights-wise, with the way the championship evolved over the years I would think the footage that FOM has absolute copyright over only starts at 1981 and it's probably a patchwork of rightsholders before that.



#90 BRG

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 18:22

Do you know which events are planned for the celebration of the 1000th GP ?

Each of the 1000 paying fans that they expect to turn up will get a goody bag containing a voucher for one (1) free can of Rich Energy & a signed photograph of Flavio Briatore in his famous thong.



#91 SenorSjon

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 18:25

Each of the 1000 paying fans that they expect to turn up will get a goody bag containing a voucher for one (1) free can of Rich Energy* & a signed photograph of Flavio Briatore in his famous thong.

*While supplies last.

#92 JHSingo

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 18:30

Official video for race 1000:

 

 

The lack of moving images from the early years struck me as rather odd. Perhaps they decided to do it for artistic reasons? 

 

I was trying to place the voice (was sure it was familiar) - it's the same guy that does the excellent outros for the BBC's NFL coverage, Eddie Butler.



#93 pRy

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 19:42

Might be a bit complicated rights-wise, with the way the championship evolved over the years I would think the footage that FOM has absolute copyright over only starts at 1981 and it's probably a patchwork of rightsholders before that.

 

That sounds about right to me based on when the proper footage starts in the video.



#94 beachdrifter

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 19:47

Also regarding the straights, Bahrain has two massive straights and two shorter ones, yet they couldn't shake off the Mercs as well as you'd expect.


3 DRS zones helped there, in addition to the undercut being worth so much there.

Bottas was shaken off rather easily, btw.

#95 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 19:54

Yes we've all gone over it many, many times. Correctly it's the 1000th World Drivers' Championship race, going back to when the World Drivers' Championship started at the European/British Grand Prix at Silverstone in 1950. The number includes the 11 Indianapolis 500s that were included in the championship from 1950 to 1960 inclusive, and the two years that the championship was held for F2 cars in 1952 and 1952.

 

However, seeing as since 1983, Formula 1 and the World Championship have been synonymous (basically since the last non-championship F1 race at Brands Hatch that year - The Race of Champions), it's more convenient to simply say the 1000th F1 race. It's not strictly correct, but it's easier to brand. History buffs will get in a twist about it, but it's hardly the end of the world.

 

As an extra point here, in a way, this will actually be the 1001st race, but only the 1000th championship round, as the 1959 German Grand Prix was held over two heats.



#96 karl100589

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 20:42

Everyone's talking about who should win the 1000th race, surely it has to be Giovanazzi.

Race one was won by an Italian driving an Alfa, it's appropriate the 1000th should be too.

#97 sabjit

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 22:08

I was trying to place the voice (was sure it was familiar) - it's the same guy that does the excellent outros for the BBC's NFL coverage, Eddie Butler.

 

He's a rugby commentator. Usually a good one except when Wales are winning.



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Posted 11 April 2019 - 03:37

Rain forecast this weekend ?

 

Local forecast (as now !) would be light rain in Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning.

 

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#99 Afterburner

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 03:48

As an extra point here, in a way, this will actually be the 1001st race, but only the 1000th championship round, as the 1959 German Grand Prix was held over two heats.

And as an additional bonus, if you choose not to count the eleven Indy 500’s that contributed to the championship, then the “1,000th F1 World Championship Grand Prix not including Indy 500s” will be held at none other than... Monza.

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 06:10

That aero looks aggresive

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