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#201 teejay

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 23:26

C'mon, we're talking Michael Andretti here, whoever gives him more is who he'll go with.

 

He certainly never forgot the ethos of Newman Haas - should also remember the wins and titles it likely cost him. 



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#202 prommer

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 00:04

Do we need to dust off the Indycar to Cleveland speculation again?

 

I think you know that I'm for Cleveland.



#203 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 01:53

He certainly never forgot the ethos of Newman Haas - should also remember the wins and titles it likely cost him. 

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#204 M66R

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 08:09

Do we need to dust off the Indycar to Cleveland speculation again?


Are we talking about the old Champ car track that was on an airport iirc?

#205 Peat

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 08:36

Penske have quite the problem. They have 3x drivers of championship pedigree, but only 1 who has been consistently up there for the past 3 years.

I think Pagenaud's Indiana rout has caused a headache tbh, I think he was being ushered towards the door. Now, the pressure seems to have immediate swung to WillyP.  

If i were a betting man, I'd say that Rossi stays put and Penske remains unchanged for 2020. Small odds. 



#206 Risil

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 08:39

Are we talking about the old Champ car track that was on an airport iirc?

 

Damn right. I saw a picture of Cleveland the other day -- the river is no longer on fire but the airport is still there. High time for a revival. We just need someone to pay Indycar to come, someone to pay the city government to close their airport and someone to pay for whatever you need to put on a successful motor race on an airport runway.



#207 M66R

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 08:42

Damn right. I saw a picture of Cleveland the other day -- the river is no longer on fire but the airport is still there. High time for a revival. We just need someone to pay Indycar to come, someone to pay the city government to close their airport and someone to pay for whatever you need to put on a successful motor race on an airport runway.

haha I'll check down the back of the sofa. I'd like to see a return to Denver, we have family there so would make the trip from the UK more palatable for my wife

#208 B Squared

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 13:11

Now, the pressure seems to have immediate swung to WillyP.

You mean Penske 2018 Indy 500 winner Will Power? I don't think he will be that quick to pull the trigger in letting Will go.

Since we seem to be crossing from silly season into Fantasyland here, after seeing Michael Andretti wear Kimoa sunglasses after the Road America race surely that means Alonso is with Andretti for next year

Edited by B Squared, 28 June 2019 - 09:13.


#209 Risil

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 13:35

Penske has three drivers capable of winning anywhere, also known as the last two Indy 500 champions and the current points leader.
 
As for Will Power, for all the mystery about what will happen to him during a given race, he's finished top 5 in points in every full season he's had with Team Penske, going back to the Crapwagon era. Remarkable consistency.


#210 red stick

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 16:03

He certainly never forgot the ethos of Newman Haas - should also remember the wins and titles it likely cost him. 

 

I'm not certain of the specific criticism here--is there a Cliff's Notes version?   :)



#211 FLB

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 16:20

Penske has let a season champion go in the past, you know...

 

 

(Tom Sneva, 1976 and 1977 double repeat USAC Champ Car National Champion, first man to crack the 200 MPH at Indy, to make room for the up-coming  'Rocket' Rick Ravon Mears for 1978)



#212 Risil

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 16:43

I would like to see someone win a championship without a race victory, like Sneva did in 1978. You know, for variety's sake.

#213 Jim Thurman

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 17:05

Penske has let a season champion go in the past, you know...

 

 

(Tom Sneva, 1976 and 1977 double repeat USAC Champ Car National Champion, first man to crack the 200 MPH at Indy, to make room for the up-coming  'Rocket' Rick Ravon Mears for 1978)

 

Yes, but there were other factors involved, all of them unrelated to on track performance  :) (and no, I'm not telling tales out of school, Sneva admitted and copped to all of it in a remarkably candid interview).



#214 Jim Thurman

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 17:06

Do we need to dust off the Indycar to Cleveland speculation again?

 

Nazareth! Pikes Peak!   ;)   :lol:



#215 arebin

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 17:17

New Orleans!


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#216 PayasYouRace

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 17:19

Pikes Peak!   ;)   :lol:


The oval or the hill climb?

#217 red stick

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 18:15

New Orleans!


jk

 

No.

 

Just no.



#218 eibyyz

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 18:36

The oval or the hill climb?

 

If NA$CAR can race on dirt, IndyCar can race up a mountain.  Bring a gaggle of Unsers out of retirement!


Edited by eibyyz, 27 June 2019 - 18:37.


#219 Anja

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 18:45

The oval or the hill climb?

 

Why choose? Have them race both on the same weekend, how about that for IndyCar track variety. 



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#220 red stick

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 19:20

Silly season thread.

Not just driver goofiness,

but also the fans.  :stoned:



#221 juicy sushi

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 19:52

If we're just issuing wish-lists then I'd like to have the Rio and Milwaukee ovals back.  Plus, let's do a Japanese round at Suzuka.


Edited by juicy sushi, 27 June 2019 - 19:52.


#222 Luca Pacchiarini

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 20:02

Indycar at AVUS tbh

#223 M66R

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 20:07

If we're just issuing wish-lists then I'd like to have the Rio and Milwaukee ovals back. Plus, let's do a Japanese round at Suzuka.


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#224 rghojai

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 20:22

Since we're all having our say, IndyCat wants lakefront racing in Cleveland, dammit.

 

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#225 Muppetmad

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 20:49

Why doesn't IndyCar go back to Cleveland?



#226 Risil

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 21:02

Why doesn't IndyCar go back to Cleveland?


It's because we don't mention it here enough

#227 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 21:39

Why doesn't IndyCar go back to Cleveland?

Because Turn 1 was very expensive.



#228 prommer

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 23:34

I would like to see Indycars on an upside down track.

 

 

 

 

 

Look, it's as possible as some of the stuff we're mentioning!



#229 PiperPa42

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 08:33

What are you suggesting? Moving Cleveland Airport to Australia?

#230 king_crud

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 09:23

I'd like it at Brands Hatch, mostly because it's a 20 minute drive from me

#231 Jim Thurman

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 16:58

The oval or the hill climb?

 

The oval, but, why not the hill climb. It used to count for points  :D

 

That was an inside joke. Over at another forum, Nazareth and Pikes Peak International Speedway were often mentioned as potential candidates for the schedule, despite their circumstances. It got to the point where it's a running gag.



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Posted 28 June 2019 - 17:30

The oval, but, why not the hill climb. It used to count for points  :D

 

That was an inside joke. Over at another forum, Nazareth and Pikes Peak International Speedway were often mentioned as potential candidates for the schedule, despite their circumstances. It got to the point where it's a running gag.

 

Pikes Peak oval still exists and operates as a race track as far as I know. Nazareth has been derelict for years now. Edit: Having said that, Nazareth hasn't been built over like other defunct circuits in the US. It could physically be revived.



#233 Risil

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 18:34

I would like to see Indycars on an upside down track.


Last week's race at Road America would've been good. One minute Colton Herta's running upside down on the red tyres, then the Firestones lose grip and WHOMP.

#234 Luca Pacchiarini

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 19:12

Langhorne and Roosevelt Raceway

#235 Afterburner

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 19:28

All this talk of old race tracks led me to have a look at what’s happened to the Milwaukee Mile lately; apparently, rather than being turned into a subdivision, they hosted a stock car race just three weeks ago! They don’t have much more scheduled for the year, but it’s apparently the first race they’ve run at the track since Indycar left.

I am now patiently awaiting Indycar’s return in 2033.

#236 paulb

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 19:59

Riverside

#237 prommer

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 20:12

What are you suggesting? Moving Cleveland Airport to Australia?

 

Last week's race at Road America would've been good. One minute Colton Herta's running upside down on the red tyres, then the Firestones lose grip and WHOMP.

 

https://twitter.com/...593491493638144

 

Never mind the windtunnel idea he talks about, design a racetrack where you have a straightaway to build up speed to 200mph, then it barrel rolls to an upside down section of the course, then back again right side up.

 

Foyt cars and Max Chilton can have an optional joker lap segment of track that allows them to skip the inversion altogether; there would be no penalty for taking the joker lap because being a Foyt car and Max Chilton is penalty enough.

 

Even millenials would look up from their phones for a second or two to watch that.



#238 Afterburner

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 21:22

https://twitter.com/...593491493638144

Never mind the windtunnel idea he talks about, design a racetrack where you have a straightaway to build up speed to 200mph, then it barrel rolls to an upside down section of the course, then back again right side up.

Foyt cars and Max Chilton can have an optional joker lap segment of track that allows them to skip the inversion altogether; there would be no penalty for taking the joker lap because being a Foyt car and Max Chilton is penalty enough.

Even millenials would look up from their phones for a second or two to watch that.

Are there any aero gurus among us who might be able to elaborate on whether slipstreaming in this particular portion of the track would be ill-advised? :p

#239 Anja

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 21:30

What was this thread supposed to be about anyway?



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#240 PayasYouRace

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 21:31

Are there any aero gurus among us who might be able to elaborate on whether slipstreaming in this particular portion of the track would be ill-advised? :p

 

Now there's an interesting problem.



#241 prommer

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 21:42

What was this thread supposed to be about anyway?

 

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#242 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 00:02

Riverside

At the mall parking lot.

 

Interestingly enough, there is word about town that Santa Anita racetrack is under pressure to close due to 30+ horses dying there the last race season.

A horse racing track, open since 1934, and host of the 1984 Olympics it is in an excellent location against the foothills above Los Angeles for a IC race, with room for a long track with lots of elevation changes and plenty of accommodations and public transport nearby.

Just sayin', it was the first place I ever had a job, walking out horses for 25 cents a head.   ;)


Edited by whitewaterMkII, 29 June 2019 - 00:03.


#243 Radoye

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 01:01

Langhorne and Roosevelt Raceway

 

Riverside

 

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#244 Jim Thurman

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 07:02

Pikes Peak oval still exists and operates as a race track as far as I know. Nazareth has been derelict for years now. Edit: Having said that, Nazareth hasn't been built over like other defunct circuits in the US. It could physically be revived.

 

Pikes Peak International Raceway exists, but there are mitigating circumstances and conditions. Nazareth has been sold and talks have been ongoing about planned development of the site...

 

...yet neither of those prevented some at another forum from enthusiastically calling for them to be added to the schedule. It happened frequently enough that it became a running joke  :)  Cleveland, at least, physically exists without any restriction, aside from lack of promoter, sponsor or municipal involvement. Which still puts it miles ahead of Pikes Peak or Nazareth  :)


Edited by Jim Thurman, 29 June 2019 - 07:02.


#245 Collombin

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 07:14

How about Fulford-Miami Speedway? Definitely deserves a second event after all this time. Can't see any issues there.

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 11:13

I'd like it at Brands Hatch, mostly because it's a 20 minute drive from me


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#247 prommer

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 05:09

Dixon runs the halo/aeroscreen on the simulator; reports no visibility problems.

 

Report includes video that makes the visibility look remarkably bad, but to be fair the video doesn't appear to be from the point of view of the driver, but just from just above the driver's head.

 

https://autoweek.com...llara-simulator

 



#248 teejay

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 05:46

I'm not certain of the specific criticism here--is there a Cliff's Notes version?   :)

 

Newman Haas were inclined to go with Goodyear/Lola/Swift/Ford when Firestone Honda Toyota and Reynard was the gear to have because it was cheaper for them to do so.

 

Whilst the team was good, it couldn't make up the performance difference going with the cheaper stuff ended up delivering them. Michael could have a won a couple in the mid to late 90's otherwise. 



#249 PayasYouRace

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 07:24

Newman Haas were inclined to go with Goodyear/Lola/Swift/Ford when Firestone Honda Toyota and Reynard was the gear to have because it was cheaper for them to do so.

 

Whilst the team was good, it couldn't make up the performance difference going with the cheaper stuff ended up delivering them. Michael could have a won a couple in the mid to late 90's otherwise. 

 

Wasn't Carl Haas the Lola importer for the USA?

 

I know that's no excuse for using Goodyear and Ford when Firestone and Honda were the engines to have.



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Posted 03 July 2019 - 10:29

Me Too... where are you Crud?
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