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#1 pdac

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Posted 12 April 2019 - 23:04

[ I was going to give up F1 starting this season, but as Sky have been showing the live races on Sky One, I've continued for a bit longer than anticipated. So I've decided to start the power unit usage thread again. I probably will not continue this once I lose my live coverage, so get it while you can ]

 

China:

 

Well, here we are at that time of the season when expectations turn to the PU element changes for Honda powered teams. But wait! This year, Renault have decided to take the lead. Here's where we stand so far:

 


Drv           Team           ICE    TC   MGUh  MGUk   ES    CE
Hamilton      Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Bottas        Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Vettel        Ferrari         1     1     1     1     1      
Leclerc       Ferrari         1     1     1     1     1      
Verstappen    Red Bull        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Gasly         Red Bull        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Ricciardo     Renault         1     1     1         1     1  
Hülkenberg    Renault                         1     1  
Grosjean      Haas            1     1     1     1     1      
Magnussen     Haas            1     1     1     1     1      
Sainz         McLaren         2     2     2     2     1     1  
Norris        McLaren         1     1     1         1     1  
Perez         Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Stroll        Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Räikkönen     Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     1  
Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     1  
Kvyat         Toro Rosso                      1     1  
Albon         Toro Rosso      1     1     1     1     1     1  
Russell       Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Kubica        Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  

ICE:  Internal Combustion Engine
TC:   Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES:   Energy Store
CE:   Control Electronics
º Change since last GP

 

Yes, that's correct - changes for Renault, Honda and Ferrari, but nothing for Mercedes.



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#2 turssi

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 03:01

Somebody buy this poster live coverage.

#3 f1paul

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 12:36

Nice one pdac.  :up:



#4 pdac

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 19:35

China:

 

The final changes were published way past my bed time. But for completeness, here's the table that includes Giovinazzi's Ferrari downgrade and Albon's new unit:

 


Drv           Team           ICE    TC   MGUh  MGUk   ES    CE
Hamilton      Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Bottas        Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Vettel        Ferrari         1     1     1     1     1      
Leclerc       Ferrari         1     1     1     1     1      
Verstappen    Red Bull        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Gasly         Red Bull        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Ricciardo     Renault         1     1     1         1     1  
Hülkenberg    Renault                         1     1  
Grosjean      Haas            1     1     1     1     1      
Magnussen     Haas            1     1     1     1     1      
Sainz         McLaren         2     2     2     2     1     1  
Norris        McLaren         1     1     1         1     1  
Perez         Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Stroll        Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Räikkönen     Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     1  
Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1      
Kvyat         Toro Rosso                      1     1  
Albon         Toro Rosso                           
Russell       Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Kubica        Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  

ICE:  Internal Combustion Engine
TC:   Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES:   Energy Store
CE:   Control Electronics
º Change since last GP


#5 SenorSjon

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 19:59

Was Albon's complete PU wrecked in the crash?

#6 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 19:59

Was Albon's complete PU wrecked in the crash?

 

Sent to Japan for inspection I believe



#7 Stephane

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 20:05

THey always say this, but we rarely see them again...



#8 BRG

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 20:16

The Mercedes teams look ominously reliable, as well as being the most powerful.  Whatever Ferrari fans and some of the media might have us believe.



#9 pdac

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 22:32

The Mercedes teams look ominously reliable, as well as being the most powerful.  Whatever Ferrari fans and some of the media might have us believe.

 

Slightly early. If they are flying to victory in Canada with the same PU, though ...



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 11:35

Azerbaijan:

Honda are at it again. Maybe they have brought an update. It certainly looks like TR are being thrown to the lions again.


Drv           Team           ICE    TC   MGUh  MGUk   ES    CE
Hamilton      Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Bottas        Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Vettel        Ferrari         1     1     1     1     1     2  
Leclerc       Ferrari         1     1     1     1     1     2  
Verstappen    Red Bull                        1     1  
Gasly         Red Bull                        1     1  
Ricciardo     Renault         1     1     1     2     1     1  
Hülkenberg    Renault         2     2     2     2     1     1  
Grosjean      Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Magnussen     Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Sainz         McLaren         2     2     2     2     1     1  
Norris        McLaren         1     1     1     2     1     1  
Perez         Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Stroll        Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Räikkönen     Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1      
Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1      
Kvyat         Toro Rosso          2     2     2     1     1  
Albon         Toro Rosso          2     2     2     2     2  
Russell       Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Kubica        Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  

ICE:  Internal Combustion Engine
TC:   Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES:   Energy Store
CE:   Control Electronics
º Change since last GP


#11 pdac

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 11:43

I will be trying very hard to give up F1 and get my life back this weekend. If anyone has the ability to recognise an appalling piece Excel/VBA and would like to keep this thread rolling, PM me.



#12 SenorSjon

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 11:45

Honda's received an alleged 20 hp update and improved reliabilty. They claim that is.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 11:59

Honda's received an alleged 20 hp update and improved reliabilty. They claim that is.

 

Afaik the update was ICE related. If it is true, then why did they change almost everything for RB boys, why not just the ICE?



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 12:29

I think because they can swap those out more easily, making it one combo when swapping between FP1/FP2 <> FP3 and beyond. Also prevent mounting issues this way.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 17:08

 

Azerbaijan:

Honda are at it again. Maybe they have brought an update. It certainly looks like TR are being thrown to the lions again.

 

Yes, that was always going to be the way they played it, but it also looks like the Red Bull boys may be the big cats' dessert course.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 17:25

I have no doubt Toro Rosso will continue to be used as a test mule wherever possible, but isn’t the difference in power unit usage so far caused by crashes of the Toro Rosso driver pair?

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 17:29

I have no doubt Toro Rosso will continue to be used as a test mule wherever possible, but isn’t the difference in power unit usage so far caused by crashes of the Toro Rosso driver pair?


Kvyat had a spec 1 PU change in China because of reliability concerns I think, of which they now replaced the ICE for a spec 2.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 26 April 2019 - 17:31.


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Posted 27 April 2019 - 11:40

First replacements by #Mercedes-powered car: #Russell has changed ES & CE after yesterdays manhole-cover incident



#19 pdac

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 12:02

Okay - here you go:

 

Azerbaijan:

 


Drv           Team           ICE    TC   MGUh  MGUk   ES    CE
Hamilton      Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Bottas        Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Vettel        Ferrari         1     1     1     1     1     2  
Leclerc       Ferrari         1     1     1     1     1     2  
Verstappen    Red Bull                        1     1  
Gasly         Red Bull                        1     1  
Ricciardo     Renault         1     1     1     2     1     1  
Hülkenberg    Renault         2     2     2     2     1     1  
Grosjean      Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Magnussen     Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Sainz         McLaren         2     2     2     2     1     1  
Norris        McLaren         1     1     1     2     1     1  
Perez         Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Stroll        Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Räikkönen     Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1      
Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1      
Kvyat         Toro Rosso          2     2     2     1     1  
Albon         Toro Rosso          2     2     2     2     2  
Russell       Williams        1     1     1     1          
Kubica        Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  

ICE:  Internal Combustion Engine
TC:   Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES:   Energy Store
CE:   Control Electronics
º Change since last GP


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#20 pdac

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Posted 10 May 2019 - 22:53

Spain:

 

New Ferrari bits and also some Renault ones. It looks like the Mercedes PUs are bullet-proof again.


Drv           Team           ICE    TC   MGUh  MGUk   ES    CE
Hamilton      Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Bottas        Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Vettel        Ferrari             1     1     1     1     2  
Leclerc       Ferrari             1     1     1     1     2  
Verstappen    Red Bull        2     2     2     2     1     1  
Gasly         Red Bull        2     2     2     2     1     1  
Ricciardo     Renault                     2     1     1  
Hülkenberg    Renault         2     2     2     2     1     1  
Grosjean      Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Magnussen     Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Sainz         McLaren         2     2     2     2     1      
Norris        McLaren         1     1     1     2     1      
Perez         Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Stroll        Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Räikkönen     Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     2  
Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     3  
Kvyat         Toro Rosso      3     2     2     2     1     1  
Albon         Toro Rosso      3     2     2     2     2     2  
Russell       Williams        1     1     1     1     2     2  
Kubica        Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  

ICE:  Internal Combustion Engine
TC:   Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES:   Energy Store
CE:   Control Electronics
º Change since last GP


#21 pdac

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 12:02

Spain:

 

Renault consolidating things.


Drv           Team           ICE    TC   MGUh  MGUk   ES    CE
Hamilton      Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Bottas        Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Vettel        Ferrari             1     1     1     1     2  
Leclerc       Ferrari             1     1     1     1     2  
Verstappen    Red Bull        2     2     2     2     1     1  
Gasly         Red Bull        2     2     2     2     1     1  
Ricciardo     Renault                     2     1     1  
Hülkenberg    Renault                     2     1     1  
Grosjean      Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Magnussen     Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Sainz         McLaren                     2     1      
Norris        McLaren                     2     1      
Perez         Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Stroll        Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Räikkönen     Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     2  
Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     3  
Kvyat         Toro Rosso      3     2     2     2     1     1  
Albon         Toro Rosso      3     2     2     2     2     2  
Russell       Williams        1     1     1     1     2     2  
Kubica        Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  

ICE:  Internal Combustion Engine
TC:   Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES:   Energy Store
CE:   Control Electronics
º Change since last GP


#22 pdac

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 12:40

Spain:

 

Complete new unit for Hulk (he also seems to have already taken a 2nd CE, but I can't find a report of this).


Drv           Team           ICE    TC   MGUh  MGUk   ES    CE
Hamilton      Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Bottas        Mercedes        1     1     1     1     1     1  
Vettel        Ferrari             1     1     1     1     2  
Leclerc       Ferrari             1     1     1     1     2  
Verstappen    Red Bull        2     2     2     2     1     1  
Gasly         Red Bull        2     2     2     2     1     1  
Ricciardo     Renault                     2     1     1  
Hülkenberg    Renault                         1      
Grosjean      Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Magnussen     Haas            1     1     1     1     1     2  
Sainz         McLaren                     2     1      
Norris        McLaren                     2     1      
Perez         Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Stroll        Racing Point    1     1     1     1     1     1  
Räikkönen     Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     2  
Giovinazzi    Alfa Romeo      1     1     1     1     1     3  
Kvyat         Toro Rosso      3     2     2     2     1     1  
Albon         Toro Rosso      3     2     2     2     2     2  
Russell       Williams        1     1     1     1     2     2  
Kubica        Williams        1     1     1     1     1     1  

ICE:  Internal Combustion Engine
TC:   Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES:   Energy Store
CE:   Control Electronics
º Change since last GP


#23 Ivanhoe

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 12:52

You picked up you’re interest in F1 again pdac? Happy to see this thread being updated 👍👍

Edited by Ivanhoe, 12 May 2019 - 12:52.


#24 pdac

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 13:12

You picked up you’re interest in F1 again pdac? Happy to see this thread being updated

 

Stuck at home with nothing to do this morning. Now off to the Chigwell May Fayre.



#25 SenorSjon

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 15:28

I thought it wasn't allowed to add multiple units to the pool in one weekend?

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 19:34

I thought it wasn't allowed to add multiple units to the pool in one weekend?

 

I think that is correct, of course they can use more, but only last one is in the pool.  No free changes anymore.



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Posted 12 May 2019 - 20:53

Number of elements used by teams:

 

Mercedes 12

Racing Point-Mercedes 12

Haas-Ferrari 14

Williams-Mercedes 14

Alfa Romeo-Ferrari 15

Ferrari 16

Red Bull-Honda 20

Toro Rosso-Honda 24

McLaren-Renault 25

Renault 29



#28 Ivanhoe

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 21:12

I thought it wasn't allowed to add multiple units to the pool in one weekend?


You can, but you can only add one PU element subject to penalties. Renault only introduced elements subject to a first penalty, so they are fine.

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 16:27

I thought they said on Ch4 coverage that both RBRs had engine changes in Spain after FP.  Gasly's was still going on as Q started.  Or was I imagining it?  :confused:



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Posted 13 May 2019 - 16:41

I thought they said on Ch4 coverage that both RBRs had engine changes in Spain after FP.  Gasly's was still going on as Q started.  Or was I imagining it?  :confused:

I think (and I think) Red Bull used their first PU on Friday then changed to the 2nd one (which they brought in at Azerbaijan) on Saturday. 

 

But, I could be wrong and you could be imagining it BRG.   ;)



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Posted 13 May 2019 - 21:43

The initial report for the weekend - https://www.fia.com/.../80548/download - shows the two Red Bulls both on 2 ICE/TC/MGU-H/MGU-K and 1 ES/CE.

 

Then there are the following reports:

https://www.fia.com/.../80570/download - Renault, Ferrari and McLaren changes only

https://www.fia.com/.../80630/download - Renault and McLaren changes

https://www.fia.com/.../80735/download - Renault changes

 

Finally, the document detailing changes during Parc Fermé - https://www.fia.com/.../80742/download - includes Renault PU changes

 

So, I can't find any information about anything being changed at Red Bull. I'm not saying nothing happened - just that the FIA have not published anything.


Edited by pdac, 13 May 2019 - 21:45.


#32 Talisman

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 21:45

I think (and I think) Red Bull used their first PU on Friday then changed to the 2nd one (which they brought in at Azerbaijan) on Saturday.

But, I could be wrong and you could be imagining it BRG.  ;)


No this is correct. MV had a connector problem resulting in an oil leak so they swapped PUs to spec 2 between the sessions.

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 06:00

They just swapped the existing conponents in their pool, not added new ones to it.

#34 Ivanhoe

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 06:10

Yep, Max was running the spec1 PU in FP1 and changed to the spec2 that was already in the pool for FP2.

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 18:06

Ah, OK.  i was misled by talk of engine changes for an upgraded spec, but perhaps Ch4 were getting confused as well.  it can be catching.