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#101 Fonzey

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 09:29

I was at Spa when the anti-shell brigade parachuted onto the podium at the end. FOM did an absolutely amazing job of making it look like a non-issue, but it was insane how close they got to the business end of the Grand Prix! I was almost impressed.



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#102 Vielleicht

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 11:42

The purpose of such a study would be to figure out if motorsport is a significant polluter in the grand scheme of things, and thereby figure out if motorsport becoming greener or even electric would have much of an effect on our environment.


Hmm.

Thought experiment: If every industry/company/person did such a study and concuded that their isolated environmental impact was insignificant 'in the grand scheme of things', who exactly is left to make any significant progress on curbing emissions?

Now, what would happen every industry/company/person decided, regardless of the size of their contribution, that they were to cut their emission by at least, say, half?

There's also the social impact that motorsport has which if you aks me is always part of the equation. Not just raw impact.

 

You can convert someone's electricity supply to fully renewable and assuming it is delivered reliably they are not going to notice any day-to-day difference. You also don't exactly get thousands tuning in on TV or going out to fields to watch wind turbines for entertainment.

 

What introducing environemtal aspects to motorsport does bring is exposure to the technology and what is achievable and change the perceptions. It's also not preaching entirely to the converted which is what makes it a) so controvertial and b) so valuable on a social front.


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#103 sgtkate

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 12:01

There's also the social impact that motorsport has which if you aks me is always part of the equation. Not just raw impact.

 

You can convert someone's electricity supply to fully renewable and assuming it is delivered reliably they are not going to notice any day-to-day difference. You also don't exactly get thousands tuning in on TV or going out to fields to watch wind turbines for entertainment.

 

What introducing environemtal aspects to motorsport does bring is exposure to the technology and what is achievable and change the perceptions. It's also not preaching entirely to the converted which is what makes it a) so controvertial and b) so valuable on a social front.

Agreed, it's about trying to find that balance between where can we change things that people won't notice or won't care and where will the change be felt hard. Motorsport being forced to go electric is going to hit hard in the short term so any argument to do that is going to be lost. Maybe in 10 years when Formula E has shown how good racing can be even with an electric motor then perhaps it'll be time to hit the kill switch on most of the petrol engined events. Maybe keep some for historical events like Goodwood!



#104 Fastcake

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 12:07

I was at Spa when the anti-shell brigade parachuted onto the podium at the end. FOM did an absolutely amazing job of making it look like a non-issue, but it was insane how close they got to the business end of the Grand Prix! I was almost impressed.


That must be the closest we’ve got to an environmental protest at a Grand Prix right? And even that was a protest at Shell - the title sponsor - rather than motorsport itself.

I do see the attitude occasionally expressed from certain motorsport fans that there is some form of green conspiracy out to ruin motorsport, but I’ve yet to see anything that even shows motorsport is even seen as a problem. Most people are focused on the bigger picture of climate change, and trying to change the world as a whole.

#105 SilverArrow31

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 12:33

https://www.racefans...a-drone-strike/

 

Not sure if this has already been posted, would be pretty easy to get a few drones over Silverstone you would think?



#106 PlatenGlass

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 12:36

Carbon credits are because they are not regulated by anyone, with no meaningful value. Offsetting by planting a load of trees which creates an incremental negative carbon load, is not.
 
There is also, the EU Emission Trading Scheme (EU ETS) and UK Carbon Price Support (CPS) but these are levies on electricity generation only.

But where are these trees being planted, and couldn't they be planted there anyway without F1 burning a load of fossil fuels? Still seems like a load of cobblers!

#107 Kalmake

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 16:38

But where are these trees being planted, and couldn't they be planted there anyway without F1 burning a load of fossil fuels? Still seems like a load of cobblers!

Trees wont the planted "anyway". It costs money.

 

F1 will burn loads of fossil fuel anyway. If they can be tricked to pay for planting some trees, maybe that's a good thing.



#108 Ben1445

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 17:32

Trees wont the planted "anyway". It costs money.

 

F1 will burn loads of fossil fuel anyway. If they can be tricked to pay for planting some trees, maybe that's a good thing.

There's an argument for that.

 

But when it's used to mask the issue/delay action in reducing emissions it's also not great either. 



#109 Fatgadget

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 20:59

https://www.racefans...a-drone-strike/

 

Not sure if this has already been posted, would be pretty easy to get a few drones over Silverstone you would think?

And then what?  Anyway,I seem to remember some Irish priest protesting about something or other finding an easier way....He just walked onto the track in the middle of a  race! :eek:



#110 PeterScandlyn

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 03:50

https://www.racefans...a-drone-strike/

 

Not sure if this has already been posted, would be pretty easy to get a few drones over Silverstone you would think?

 

I don't know whether they were the first to float this idea or not.

What I do know is how dumb they were to carry it.

 

The world is full of sad folk looking for entertainment to brighten their day and other folks similarly brain dead.

Could even stream it on-line.........



#111 absinthedude

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 07:45

25 or so years ago on the grand prix date, Silverstone was the busiest airport in the UK with all the helicopters flying in and out.....due to expansion by Heathrow and Gatwick that's no longer the case but it's still a pretty busy "airport" during the GP weekend. I would imagine there's plenty of measures in place which would detect drones. But then one would think that of Gatwick too....

 

I'd also say that anyone flying a drone over a racetrack without permission and training is at least as foolish as those engaging in Extinction Rebellion's road blocking antics. The thought of even a light drone striking a racing car and the injuries that could be caused to the driver even with a halo just don't bear thinking about. It's one thing to risk yourself, quite another to put at risk competitors, officials and spectators. One slip of the finger on the part of a drone's controller.....it could even be totally accidental. What if a drone operator making some sort of protest thinks that it's OK to hover a few metres above the racetrack but the drone is caught in the aerodynamic guff caused by F1 car's wings? It could fly totally out of control.

 

As for running across a racetrack in the manner of Neil Horan or the German fellow a few years later.....practically suicidal....at the time there were some who said they should be strapped into a chair and forced to watch Tom Pryce's fatal crash....while I wouldn't wish that on anyone, it does need pointing out that what happens when a 200mph F1 car hits a human being is not pretty and is incredibly dangerous for all concerned. 


Edited by absinthedude, 25 April 2019 - 07:46.


#112 F1matt

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:59

We had a drunken spectator get onto the track at Singapore a few years ago, by nature tracks are pretty open and if someone put some thought into it they could easily get onto the track. The only really secure place is the entrance to the paddock but clearly that has been breached as mentioned above. If protests are going to take place then it is likely to be through social media, targeting sponsors and manufacturers but I still think events need to be alert to demonstrations.