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#451 Regazzoni

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 15:42

Still in Sao Paulo, Interlagos. The circuit was opened on 12 May 1940.

The pictures show the stretch of track between the curva do Laranjinha, Ferradura, Pinheirinho (the left-hander in the middle) and Bico de Pato.

Dates of the older photos are unknown.

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#452 Regazzoni

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Posted 18 January 2020 - 10:36

The original Scuderia Ferrari headquarters in viale Ciro Menotti, Modena, 1929:

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The street changed name in 1932 and became viale Trento e Trieste, the building had a front roof added the same year:Trento-e-Trieste.jpg

This the location today, the building unfortunately not existing anymore:

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#453 BRG

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Posted 18 January 2020 - 16:55

The original Scuderia Ferrari headquarters in viale Ciro Menotti, Modena, 1929:

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And Ferrari had the gall to call the British teams 'garagistes'!  Enzo, you old hypocrite, you even had petrol pumps at your garage!



#454 Sterzo

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 11:19

Regazzoni and others have brought you pictures of exotic places taken long ago, but this is of the former Lotus showroom in the north London area of Hornsey. Here’s the fifties showroom building, complete with Elite.

 

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The following photo was taken yesterday, not by Maurice-Louis Branger, Corrado Millanta or Geoff Goddard but by me:

 

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Jewsons, builders merchants, applied in 2015 to demolish the showroom but the council denied permission after a campaign by locals to preserve it. To their credit, Jewsons have (as you can see) covered the windows with pictures acknowledging local history.

 

The stables where Chapman, Costin, Hill and others built the cars are, I believe, long gone. Could see no sign of them although this website suggests they exist. I’m not convinced.

http://www.colinchapmanmuseum.co.uk/

 

Chapman’s father was the publican at the Railway Hotel. hence using the stables to build Lotuses. The building is currently empty and looks as though it’s being converted to housing. In 2017 there was a plan to demolish it and build a tower block but that seems to have been abandoned.

 

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And another link for those who are interested:

https://hornseyhisto...ace-lotus-cars/



#455 Gary C

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 13:01

Goodness, back in 2013 (?), along with RTH we took a video camera and managed to get into Jewson's and film everywhere including the old drawing offices upstairs. Try as I might, I couldn't find anything Lotus related anywhere...and I even went into the cupboards and  behind them too. We went down the side of the building and filmed the small workshop on the immediate left and then further in to the car parks and other workshops. I've never used the video for anything but still have it.


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#456 Gary C

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 13:04

In regard Sao Paolo, when I worked for FOM and rigged the TV cameras for the Grand Prix (1997-2002) we always had a week at the circuit before the race and two days after before we came home. I must have done a couple of hundred laps of Interlagos in a VW bus, I think I still hold the lap record for one of those round there. But back then, all of the old circuit, and I mean the 1970's version was still there, although some of the grandstands had been built on it. Notably the first corner plus other stuff further round....it looked a fabulous track. Wasn't it John Watson who said that that version of Interlagos was one of his favourites?



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Posted 09 February 2020 - 17:44

Goodness, back in 2013 (?), along with RTH we took a video camera and managed to get into Jewson's and film everywhere including the old drawing offices upstairs. Try as I might, I couldn't find anything Lotus related anywhere...and I even went into the cupboards and  behind them too. We went down the side of the building and filmed the small workshop on the immediate left and then further in to the car parks and other workshops. I've never used the video for anything but still have it.

Workshops being the old stable block?



#458 Gary C

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 17:51

Yes I think that's right.

#459 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 20:29

This turned up on my Facebook feed today. La Source in 1929 (the only year the Minervas ran in the 24 Hours). Signpost looks a bit smaller than the 1939 ones with Tazio and Dick, but could be the same one as in the first picture.

 

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La Source. Interesting to see how this curve has evolved, mainly due to the requirement to have start and pitlane not on a slope, as they were earlier after the curve.

 

This is the oldest I could find, the "carrefour" between the roads from Malmedy and Stavelot:

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This Tazio in the late '30s, perhaps 1939 (or not too far off):

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This is Seaman, on that 1939 fateful day. The corner seems exactly the same as in the Nuvolari photo.

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De Graffenried 1953:

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Moss 1956:

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Brabham 1960 and 1961:

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The Chaparral in the '60s:

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Today (2017):

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This seems a virtual reality view of the current situation [there is no google street view at the location]:

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I very much prefer when the pits were on the downhill side.

 



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#460 Regazzoni

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 19:18

This claims to be 1950, curva del ponticello ('little bridge') at Ospedaletti, Fangio leading Ascari:

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And this is today, or last year:

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#461 Regazzoni

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Posted 14 April 2020 - 17:21

IX Circuito del Garda 1949, 10th July.

Read somewhere that this is Stirling Moss first race abroad. He came third in the final behind Villoresi and Tadini (same order in Heat 1).

At the curve of the Torre dell'Orologio in Salo', on his Cooper-JAP 1100 number 46, note the driving style of the ace:

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This is the location today:
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#462 robert dick

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Posted 08 November 2020 - 09:48

September 1908, Compiègne - pesage, weight control and scrutineering for the Coupe des Voiturettes
(photos Bibliothèque Nationale/Paris):
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I think this is the same location,
32 Rue Saint-Lazare, Compiègne:
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#463 Allan Lupton

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Posted 08 November 2020 - 13:05

I agree with Robert that it is the building in the first photo, but as Street View did not go up the side turning you cannot get the right view on it. The three tall windows/doors have the same surrounds and the roof still has one skylight to the front slope.

The second photo is of a different building, possibly further back up the side turning, but design similarities suggest both were part of a set of buildings.



#464 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 November 2020 - 13:07

There is a number of fundamental differences in the structure of that taller building...

 

I don't think it's the right place, though the second one looks like a good match.



#465 a_tifoosi

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Posted 29 December 2021 - 17:25

An easy one: Autòdrom de Terramar, south of Barcelona.

 

Picture taken early this week:

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The circuit under construction, mid 1923:

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© Josep Maria Sagarra / Arxiu Nacional de Catalunya

 

Picture taken early this week:

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Guillermo Olivares de la Riva (Bugatti) on the 18th of October 1931 during the Gran Premio de Otoño:

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© Gabriel Casas / Arxiu Nacional de Catalunya

 

 

Regards,

Narcís.

 



#466 ReWind

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Posted 29 December 2021 - 18:33

Geneve 1946 - 2021 (taken from the Auto Sport Schweiz website)
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#467 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 December 2021 - 01:59

Good to see some posts on this thread...

 

Thank you, gentlemen.



#468 ReWind

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Posted 10 April 2022 - 08:03

Once again from AutoSport Schweiz:

 

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Montreux

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#469 Vitesse2

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 12:09

Going back to Spa - here's an unusual view, looking down towards Eau Rouge from the Ancienne Douane loop, which turned up on Facebook. Glass plate neg, obviously, original source not given, although presumably Agence Rol, given the inscription at the top. Although rather indistinct, given the number on the car, it would appear to be Zehender's Impéria in the 1930 GP de l'Europe. All other GPs at Spa employed only even numbering.

 

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As a bonus - a postcard of the eponymous customs post, although it must pre-date the circuit, given the German imperial eagle on the door!

 

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#470 Tim Murray

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 12:46

Isn’t the first photo the Delage of René Thomas in the 1925 Grand Prix?

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#471 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 14:24

Didn't we have that photo on the Zoom session several weeks ago?

 

If not the one of Thomas it was someone else on the Ancienne Douane loop.



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Posted 04 August 2022 - 14:55

Didn't we have that photo on the Zoom session several weeks ago?

 

If not the one of Thomas it was someone else on the Ancienne Douane loop.

What Zoom session? Please explain.



#473 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 15:13

I rather thought Tim was involved in a Zoom session I was on some weeks ago...

 

We were looking at some pics and discussing them. It was nothing to do with this forum, a private get together.



#474 LittleChris

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 22:51

Isn’t the first photo the Delage of René Thomas in the 1925 Grand Prix?

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Background looks wrong for the Customs Hairpin.

#475 Roger Clark

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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:34

There is a photo of Ascari in Jean-Paul Delsaux's Francorchamps 1922-47, captioned as l'epingle de l'Ancienne Douane.  He is about two car lengths further on but it looks like the same place.  The car in Vitesse2's photo is certainly a Delage.



#476 LittleChris

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Posted 05 August 2022 - 10:01

Just checked and agree with you Roger. The flat area in the background didn't look right to me but the picture on Page 30 confirms it wasn't as hilly as I thought

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Posted 08 August 2022 - 17:54

Going back to Spa - here's an unusual view, looking down towards Eau Rouge from the Ancienne Douane loop, which turned up on Facebook. Glass plate neg, obviously, original source not given, although presumably Agence Rol, given the inscription at the top. Although rather indistinct, given the number on the car, it would appear to be Zehender's Impéria in the 1930 GP de l'Europe. All other GPs at Spa employed only even numbering.

In confirmation that the above post misidentifies the car in the photo, here is a photo of Zehender’s Imperia at Spa.

You will note that the exhaust is on the other side, compared to the car in the photo.

 

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Tim


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Posted 08 December 2022 - 12:19

This turned up on my Facebook feed today. La Source in 1929 (the only year the Minervas ran in the 24 Hours). Signpost looks a bit smaller than the 1939 ones with Tazio and Dick, but could be the same one as in the first picture.

 

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Back to La Source in 1929. This time just one Minerva, but taken from a little to the left! And you can now read those big signs.

 

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