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#401 Regazzoni

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 11:48

Campofelice di Roccella. Targa Florio 1930. Varzi in via Avvocato Cipolla, on his way to victory.

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#402 Regazzoni

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 12:02

Same place, a couple of hundred metres before, the famous curvone in Piazza Garibaldi. Targa Florio 1928.

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Luigi Fagioli, il brigante degli Abruzzi. In fact, as it were, from le Marche.

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Same place, 1973.

Carlo Facetti, partnering Clay Regazzoni on the Alfa 33 enjoying the perks of not being a Ferrari driver, temporarily:

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Herbert Mueller and Gijs van Lennep

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#403 Regazzoni

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 12:40

Collesano, Targa 1973. Rolf Stommelen on the Alfa 33 he shared with Andrea De Adamich

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#404 Tim Murray

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 12:47

Wonderful. Thank you.

#405 kayemod

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 13:03

What's LXK76?  I thought a Healey Duncan Drone, but I think they were all cycle-winged. Definitely NOT a Cord!

 

No-one have any ideas about this one? The suspense is killing me...



#406 nicanary

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 15:40

No-one have any ideas about this one? The suspense is killing me...

I have posted the image on another well-subscribed website to no avail, and also on my own www.autopuzzles.com , again with no response. The likelihood is that it's a homebuilt special but the design and construction does seem a bit complex compared to the usual shedwork.



#407 BRG

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 22:06

I have no idea what that car is, but I am certain that it ISN'T a homebuilt special.  It is far too sophisticated a design.  It is likely to be the work of a professional coach builder.



#408 Regazzoni

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Posted 26 October 2019 - 12:41

Trieste-Opicina hillclimb, 15 June 1930, Tazio on the P2 at the famous curva delle cave di Faccanoni, effectively the only switchback on the course, on the way to victory.

Don't have the bible by Orsini-Zagari anywhere near to check, sitting in my Italian library on the other side of the world (and unopened for decades, truth to be told), but I believe this was the very first win for Scuderia Ferrari.

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Posted 26 October 2019 - 13:34

Trieste-Opicina hiilclimb, 1962. A future world champion won the 1300 class on a Giulietta TI, with Graz plates.

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Negotiating the curva Mase', zone university:

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Curva dell' obelisco at Villa Opicina:

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Posted 28 November 2019 - 20:44

Circuito di Ospedaletti, gran premio di  Sanremo 1950. Eventual winner Fangio at the apex of curva Piccadilly:

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#411 Regazzoni

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Posted 28 November 2019 - 20:47

Same place and year, just round the corner going up towards the grand hotel Miramare:

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#412 Tim Murray

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Posted 29 November 2019 - 03:46

Circuito di Ospedaletti, gran premio di Sanremo 1950. Eventual winner Fangio at the apex of curva Piccadilly:
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I believe this is the 1951 race, with the winning Ferrari 375 of Ascari leading an HWM (Moss?) and (I think) the Talbot of Giraud-Cabantous and the Ferrari of Villoresi.

#413 Regazzoni

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Posted 29 November 2019 - 07:25

It is, looked only at the number of the winner, the same for both years and didn't realize that it's not an Alfetta.

 

When in doubt and in a rush for an answer, just say it's Caracciola. But it's not the Thirties ... LOL



#414 retriever

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Posted 29 November 2019 - 11:20

This is a wonderful topic that links the past and the present. The Then and Now concept has been used successfully in the publishing world and especially in the world of transportation. Two great photographic books using the format were The LSWR Then and Now and The Somerset & Dorset Then and Now. Both by Mac Hawkins and published back in the 1990s,

 

I am forever looking through them visiting the past and lamenting what it all has become. If you find second hand copies on a bookstall they are worth purchasing, not expensive, but they will give hours of pleasure. He also used the concept on a Great Central book.



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Posted 29 November 2019 - 21:54

My first direct communication with a member of TNF was when he & I swapped videos ( Pretty sure it pre-dated DVD's !) of our respective onboard laps of Ospedaletti ( San Remo ) and Rouen Les Essarts.  Cheers Mr Boor :wave:  



#416 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 21:01

Trieste-Opicina hiilclimb, 1962. A future world champion won the 1300 class on a Giulietta TI, with Graz plates.

 

Negotiating the curva Mase', zone university:

 

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Curva dell' obelisco at Villa Opicina:

 

 

 

Isn't 'road furniture' an absolutely abhorrent blight upon our world...

 

DCN



#417 bradbury west

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 22:06

This is a wonderful topic that links the past and the present.
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and The Somerset & Dorset Then and Now.


Ah, memories of the Slow and Dirty...
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#418 Vitesse2

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 22:30

This is a wonderful topic that links the past and the present. The Then and Now concept has been used successfully in the publishing world and especially in the world of transportation. Two great photographic books using the format were The LSWR Then and Now and The Somerset & Dorset Then and Now. Both by Mac Hawkins and published back in the 1990s,

 

I am forever looking through them visiting the past and lamenting what it all has become. If you find second hand copies on a bookstall they are worth purchasing, not expensive, but they will give hours of pleasure. He also used the concept on a Great Central book.

Although of course the chaps at After the Battle Magazine - currently on its186th quarterly issue - have been doing this in magazine form and in books for close on half a century, covering conflicts from the Zulu Wars to the Falklands. The latest issue includes an article on Donington Park's periods as a POW camp and as a military vehicle depot, apparently based on John Bailie's book..



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Posted 04 December 2019 - 15:10

Geoffrey Body's "East Coast Main Line 1935-1995" is also fun if you like your railways to have a slightly greater sense of urgency.



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#420 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 10:09

Rather grainy scan from the July 1907 issue of "Auto Revue Und Zeitung" that previewed the GP de l'ACF at Dieppe:

 

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The caption reads: 1 - A road crossing in Graincourt. 2 - The road in Douvrend. 3 - The straight run between Fresnoy-Folny and Sept-Meules. 4 - The road bend at St. Martin, where Albert Clement crashed while training. 5 - The road behind Fresnoy-Folny.



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Posted 05 December 2019 - 14:48

Is this the place for #4?

The landscape has changed (with two World Wars and all) but there seem to be a shrine of some sorts on the outside of the bend.


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#422 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 16:08

Is this the place for #4?

The landscape has changed (with two World Wars and all) but there seem to be a shrine of some sorts on the outside of the bend.

 

 

Could well be. The radius on that bend also looks remarkably similar to the curve after the pits at Reims where Musso crashed fatally; you can imagine it's not the sort of place you'd want to go off running flat out in one of those pre-WW1 titans, as like as not you'd end up underneath it.



#423 Regazzoni

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Posted 07 December 2019 - 17:52

In a different perspective of "then and now", the map of the new Hanoi circuit - we really missed that - reminds of Ospedaletti and a longing for its lost charm. The vietcong circuit would be a bit more bearable if that long sweep could remind, from afar, of the beauty of Shoreline Drive, but it won't.

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