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#351 Tsarwash

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 10:51

Just thinking, while the early prognosis on wet weather visibility is positive, Pags admits it would have been good to do more running and together.

The back of my car gets plastered in mucky spray from the road, could a similar negative pressure delta in the cockpit cause finer spray to get sucked in and onto the back face of the screen? The driver would have no way of clearing it manually, it's out of reach. Just a thought.

Does Indy race in the wet ? I don't follow the series much, but I can't remember seeing a wet race. 



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#352 Wuzak

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:10

Does Indy race in the wet ? I don't follow the series much, but I can't remember seeing a wet race. 

 

Not on ovals, but I believe they do on road/street courses.



#353 Peat

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:10

correct



#354 Joseki

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:27

Does Indy race in the wet ? I don't follow the series much, but I can't remember seeing a wet race.


Last wet race was Barber 2018 if I remember correctly.

#355 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:38

Indy GP this year was wet, and very exciting!

#356 Risil

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 12:51

For the record the last wet oval race was New Hampshire in 2011. That was very exciting too.

#357 Peat

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 12:56

For the record the last wet oval race was New Hampshire in 2011. That was very exciting too.

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#358 Risil

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:03

Indycar isn't really like that anymore but it was a hell of a ride while it lasted.

#359 red stick

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 14:21

Houston 1998 was pretty wet.  I have a few things that just finally dried out last year.  :stoned:



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#360 boomn

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 15:32

Actually, cleaning is an issue in itself.  Over the length of any race, let alone the 500, those screens are going to get filthy.  They will need those tear-off layers that the sports cars use.  An added thing for pitstop crews to do.

Hunter-Reay was already testing that at Barber. 

 

"Tear-offs were good," he said. "Just like on your helmet, the more tear-offs you (use) the more warping effect there is; same on the Aeroscreen."

 

I saw quotes elsewhere that they experimented with how many tear-offs they could start with before the warping effect caused issues



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 17:33

Indycar isn't really like that anymore but it was a hell of a ride while it lasted.

Yeah, as much as I prefer the increased level of professionalism from the last few years, I have to say I do miss the days when waiting for the series to make a decision on anything was like waiting to see how Newman determined Elaine and Kramer should share an old Schwinn Stingray.

That one year they red-flagged the timed race in Toronto with like five minutes to go was classic. :lol:

#362 Bob Riebe

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 17:56

indy cars have alcohol, for what ever reason , like refueling , Indy cars have a greater fire risk than other open wheel cars.

If a driver is ever trapped and seriously burned or killed because he could not get out , then they will make another worthless fix but not say they made a mistake.



#363 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 18:16

indy cars have alcohol, for what ever reason , like refueling , Indy cars have a greater fire risk than other open wheel cars.

If a driver is ever trapped and seriously burned or killed because he could not get out , then they will make another worthless fix but not say they made a mistake.

 

Indycars use alcohol based fuels precisely because it is a lower fire risk than petrol. It has a higher flashpoint and can be put out with water making it safer.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 18:43

Hunter-Reay was already testing that at Barber.

"Tear-offs were good," he said. "Just like on your helmet, the more tear-offs you (use) the more warping effect there is; same on the Aeroscreen."

I saw quotes elsewhere that they experimented with how many tear-offs they could start with before the warping effect caused issues


Number of stops +1?

#365 Bob Riebe

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 23:48

Indycars use alcohol based fuels precisely because it is a lower fire risk than petrol. It has a higher flashpoint and can be put out with water making it safer.

If you can see there is a fire, which with alcohol most often you do notl



#366 Afterburner

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 03:22

If you can see there is a fire, which with alcohol most often you do notl

Depends on how many carbons the alcohol is attached to; two or more and you’re fine (ethanol) just one (methanol)... not so much.

#367 Radoye

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 11:43

Also, modern alcohol-based fuels have additives to make the flames more visible.



#368 Risil

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:05

And other additives to make them undrinkable.



#369 BRG

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 14:12

And other additives to make them undrinkable.

Are you thinking of Red Bull there?



#370 SenorSjon

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 16:01

Fuel tastes better

#371 CornishFellow

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Posted 12 October 2019 - 11:04

Why have only tear offs on the aeroscreens? Why not something like this too. They can put these on visors too while we're at it.  Maybe tearoffs aren't needed at all.

 



#372 BRG

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Posted 12 October 2019 - 16:08

Why have only tear offs on the aeroscreens? Why not something like this too. They can put these on visors too while we're at it.  Maybe tearoffs aren't needed at all.

 

It's not only about water.  It is about muck generally - oil, tyre & brake dust and al the other stuff floating around even on a dry track.



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Posted 12 October 2019 - 17:29

Are you thinking of Red Bull there?

 

#BetterThanRedBull



#374 BRG

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Posted 12 October 2019 - 17:35

#BetterThanRedBull

Now, now, that's a bit Rich.



#375 Peat

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 08:07

josef-newgarden-team-penske-ch.jpg

 

Some stylistic changes to the aeroscreen courtesy of the Penske sticker-licker department. 

Good work. 



#376 SenorSjon

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 09:13

Make a top on it and drop it into the water like a powerboat.  :rotfl:



#377 phrank

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 09:20

 

 

Some stylistic changes to the aeroscreen courtesy of the Penske sticker-licker department. 

Good work. 

Needs more stickers



#378 Beri

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 10:35

josef-newgarden-team-penske-ch.jpg

Some stylistic changes to the aeroscreen courtesy of the Penske sticker-licker department.

Good work.


From the side it does look good. From the front on the other hand..

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Edited by Beri, 16 October 2019 - 10:36.


#379 paulb

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 11:03

They can’t narrow the top due to ingress/egress needs. Indy-CARS forever.

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#380 boomn

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 15:47

They can’t narrow the top due to ingress/egress needs. Indy-CARS forever.

I know photos can be deceiving, but it looks like they're leaving enough room for a Paul Tracy comeback!



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Posted 16 October 2019 - 15:59

It's not only about water.  It is about muck generally - oil, tyre & brake dust and al the other stuff floating around even on a dry track.

Tire marbles are the worst offender.



#382 Beri

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 19:56

Tire marbles are the worst offender.


Still, 24hrs of racing and still having clear visibility is no new feat as many 24hr races have proven. So me thinks there will be no issue at all with the aeroscreen regarding any muck.

#383 phrank

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 19:59

Still, 24hrs of racing and still having clear visibility is no new feat as many 24hr races have proven. So me thinks there will be no issue at all with the aeroscreen regarding any muck.

They have long pitsstops with a guy climbing on the hood to clean the window



#384 jonpollak

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 20:02

There’s a solution kind of like Rain-X that they intend to use.
Don’t know the particulars but it’s a PPG product designed for this exact application.

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#385 Beri

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 20:20

They have long pitsstops with a guy climbing on the hood to clean the window


Tear offs, rainx, different laminated windscreen, window wiping can be done in IndyCars as well. it can all be of help and so I'll repeat myself;
me thinks there will be no issue for the IndyCars.

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 21:16

3/4 view

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#387 phrank

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 21:24

Tear offs, rainx, different laminated windscreen, window wiping can be done in IndyCars as well. it can all be of help and so I'll repeat myself;
me thinks there will be no issue for the IndyCars.

I don't think keeping the aeroscreen clean will be the biggest problem when they are racing, think nausea will  become a bigger problem



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 00:07

I don't think keeping the aeroscreen clean will be the biggest problem when they are racing, think nausea will become a bigger problem

Drivers or fans? ;)

#389 maximilian

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:24

Drivers or fans?  ;)

 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:33

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Excellent - just what we need. More space for sponsors! 👍

#391 RA2

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 07:01

Maybe the screen would have looked much better had they place the windshield on the inner side of the frame and stopped along the mirror line



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 08:18

I don't think keeping the aeroscreen clean will be the biggest problem when they are racing, think nausea will  become a bigger problem

 

Phrank, could you send me your CV? My company has vacancies for Safety-Case writers, essentially you just have to be 110% negative, try to poke holes in everything and generally imagine worst-case-scenarios, however statistically unlikely they are. 



#393 phrank

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 08:28

Drivers or fans?  ;)

Haha grr that was my joke  :rotfl:



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 08:30

Phrank, could you send me your CV? My company has vacancies for Safety-Case writers, essentially you just have to be 110% negative, try to poke holes in everything and generally imagine worst-case-scenarios, however statistically unlikely they are. 

What salary are we talking about?



#395 SenorSjon

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 08:55

I know photos can be deceiving, but it looks like they're leaving enough room for a Paul Tracy comeback!

 

What about Montoya? Or perhaps Mansell. He couldn't fit in the McLaren mid nineties.

 

Phrank, could you send me your CV? My company has vacancies for Safety-Case writers, essentially you just have to be 110% negative, try to poke holes in everything and generally imagine worst-case-scenarios, however statistically unlikely they are. 

 

We already have those here. Safety guys. They try to make work impossible where en whenever they can. ;)

 

What salary are we talking about?

 

Negative of course.



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 16:37

Tear offs, rainx, different laminated windscreen, window wiping can be done in IndyCars as well. it can all be of help and so I'll repeat myself;
me thinks there will be no issue for the IndyCars.

It will be an issue, and will need to be solved. 

 

That will not be impossible or even difficult, but will need some positive action.  Indycar pit-stops are not timed, but done as fast as possible, with limited manpower allowed.  At some point,some of that manpower will have to be used to clean the aeroscreen.  Clearing a screen is no the work of a second or two, it takes a bit of time if it involved wiping.  A driver coming in with a dirty screen and going out again with the dirt nicely smeared around is not going to be a happy bunny.  He will want a CLEAN screen.  So while this is not such a big deal, each team will need to factor the extra work into their pit-stop planning.  



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 17:21

It will be an issue, and will need to be solved. 

 

That will not be impossible or even difficult, but will need some positive action.  Indycar pit-stops are not timed, but done as fast as possible, with limited manpower allowed.  At some point,some of that manpower will have to be used to clean the aeroscreen.  Clearing a screen is no the work of a second or two, it takes a bit of time if it involved wiping.  A driver coming in with a dirty screen and going out again with the dirt nicely smeared around is not going to be a happy bunny.  He will want a CLEAN screen.  So while this is not such a big deal, each team will need to factor the extra work into their pit-stop planning.  

Which is why they have already been using tear-offs at some of these on-track tests, and testing how many they can stack to allow for enough quick cleanings over the course of a race



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 17:59

We already have those here. Safety guys. They try to make work impossible where en whenever they can.  ;)

 

We have them here in California, believe me.

We once had an accident on mid rise building where a guy fell down an elevator shaft from the 2nd floor, he hurt his back very badly. As we were on the tenth floor we didn't hear about it until later in the day when the site was invaded by OSHA safety inspectors. We were all cited for the stupidest things, wrong work shoes, unlocked wheel on a rolling scaffold, it was endless and cost us a bunch.

A few years later I was a project manager, and every crew I had I lectured them that if there was *ever* a workplace injury, no matter what time of day or where on a work site it happened they were to roll up immediately and report back to the shop. Saved us thousands over the years from inspectors who only hit a job site when there is an accident, the rest of the time they sit on there asses, never once did they show up to a job site w/o there having been an accident.