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#1 JHSingo

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:34

One for Autosport forum members:

 

 

What do you think? I'm always somewhat nervous when Hollywood does racing films, particularly when they're based on real life. They have a habit of not necessarily being true to what really happened, which can spoil it if you're a student of the history of the sport. But this looks rather promising...



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#2 goldenboy

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:04

Title is dumb as hell but looks good!

#3 noikeee

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:11

The trailer makes it seem like it'll be a bit too overdramatized for my taste, but I'll still watch it.

 

I hope it'll turn out as good as Rush was, which was a bit surprising. Doubt it though.



#4 Neno

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:12

Title is dumb as hell but looks good!

LeMans 66 will be a title in certain european countries. For rest of world will be typical 'murican "v" 



#5 Myrvold

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:13

It's going to be interesting to see FACT v FANTASY in FORD v FERRARI.

 

I fear it will be very Hollywood to omit many facts to get a "better" story.



#6 Ben1445

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:21

Looks like it has both some accurate looking shots of Le Mans but also some shots that look way too modern for the 60s. Some over dramatic crashes too.

Could go either way really. I’ll be interested to find out.

#7 Nonesuch

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:22

I'm sure it'll be fun and often cool to look at, regardless of all the gripes one might legitimately have with its portrayal of events.

 

The book Go Like Hell: Ford, Ferrari, and Their Battle for Speed and Glory at Le Mans by A.J. Baime is such a laugh that I'm sure there'll plenty of fun moments in a film about the same subject.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:23

It's going to be interesting to see FACT v FANTASY in FORD v FERRARI.

 

I fear it will be very Hollywood to omit many facts to get a "better" story.

Come on, it's not a documentary. 



#9 goldenboy

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:34

Come on, it's not a documentary.

Yeah I agree, gotta leave some things at the door and look at it as just a film. I actually thought rush was a bit corny in some parts (Don't get me started on that montage of races section) and this looks a bit better.

#10 JHSingo

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 13:09

I never actually went and saw Rush at the time, just because I was fearful for what Hollywood might do to one of the best stories in F1's history. I also heard complaints about its authenticity, like the fact that most racing scenes were filmed at two tracks, so you'd keep seeing Brands Hatch used as multiple different locations...

 

It's stuff like that that which the masses won't notice/care about, but which is a bit annoying if you're a diehard racing fan. I know films have to be for the masses if they are to be a commercial success, but hopefully this stays as close to the true story as possible.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 13:18

In the trailer it looked very one sided from Fords perspective. I hope to see the Ferrari perspective as well, but I doubt that.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 14:05

That explains why Damon and Bale were at the Indy 500 this year. I shall probably go and watch it.

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 14:15

Never would have pictured Damon as Shelby, maybe Matthew McConaughey or even George Clooney. But if Damon's involved, and Bale, I think that's a good sign for the quality of the movie. And let's face it, a Matt Damon/Christian Bale movie will draw fans and attention, which is what we all want for racing, right?

ETA I just read Tom Cruise was originally going to star as Shelby. Glad that didn't happen.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 14:27

It seems that they have been inspired by the "motorsport rivalry" theme of Rush. That said, the rivalry between Ford and Ferrari at Le Mans was much more real that the one between Lauda and Hunt, which never existed in the first place (barring the four races of 1976 after Lauda's recovery).



#15 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 15:12

Looks good, ill check it out.

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 15:38

In the trailer it looked very one sided from Fords perspective. I hope to see the Ferrari perspective as well, but I doubt that.

American production has American heroes. Kind of inevitable - but I'd imagine respect will be shown to the Scuderia. 



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 16:33

Ah, yes - the good old story of American heroes beating the snobby elitist Europeans... with a car built in the UK.   ;)

 

On a more serious note, the trailer really fails to excite me, both from a racing fan and a movie fan perspective. It just gives me the feel of another of those pretty well made but ultimately forgettable movies lacking any originality or character. I wouldn't expect anything spectacular in the racing department either. Of course that's just the trailer and I could be wrong, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation. 



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 16:39

Christian Bale? Will have to probably take a hard pass. Can't stand the guy. Like Damon though so maybe I will watch it



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 16:45

If the trailer is representative of the film's script and acting, the word CORNY springs to mind.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 16:45

Werid that in some shots of that trailer they've taken the trouble to put in half buried tyres at Willow Springs to make it look like the right era yet there are also shots on an oval with modern catch fecing, floodlights and SAFER barriers.



#21 Dolph

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 16:53

The trailer looks better than the whole Driven movie



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 16:56

Christian Bale? Will have to probably take a hard pass. Can't stand the guy. Like Damon though so maybe I will watch it

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As for the trailer, it looks overdramatized to me, but I'll still give it a try.


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#23 Myrvold

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 18:55

Come on, it's not a documentary. 

Based on a real story, should follow the actual real story quite close.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 19:13

Ah, yes - the good old story of American heroes beating the snobby elitist Europeans... with a car built in the UK.  ;)

On a more serious note, the trailer really fails to excite me, both from a racing fan and a movie fan perspective. It just gives me the feel of another of those pretty well made but ultimately forgettable movies lacking any originality or character. I wouldn't expect anything spectacular in the racing department either. Of course that's just the trailer and I could be wrong, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation.


While actually it was rather a story of passionate and brave Europeans getting to be a lot of a match for ten times better funded Americans building two times bigger engines.

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 20:09

I will definitely watch this :up:

For the background story, also worth checking out James May's segment from The Grand Tour:

Imo still the single best thing the show has produced so far.

Edited by Jovanotti, 03 June 2019 - 20:13.


#26 RacingGreen

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 22:01

I see they have cast Australian actor Ben Rigby as Bruce McLaren. I guess because Australia is the same place as New Zealand if you are from Hollywood.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 22:04

Actors can put on accents you know.



#28 as65p

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 22:06

Based on a real story, should follow the actual real story quite close.

 

Nah, it doesn't mean that at all in Hollywood terms.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 22:09

It's stuff like that that which the masses won't notice/care about, but which is a bit annoying if you're a diehard racing fan.

 

If you're really into something, getting a fair bit of knowledge along the way, "movies" about it can't be anything else but annoying, in my experience.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 22:17

Imo still the single best thing the show has produced so far.


What, have you not seen 'The Interceptors'?

Clive Owen would've been a good lookalike to Shelby, but I guess Damon draws in bigger crowds. Hopefully they won't go too Hollywood on the story, as the book really is excellent.

#31 RacingGreen

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 05:10

Actors can put on accents you know.

 

That's what they said when they cast Dick van Dyke as a cockney in Mary Poppins.



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Posted 04 June 2019 - 05:41

I will definitely watch this :up:

For the background story, also worth checking out James May's segment from The Grand Tour:

Imo still the single best thing the show has produced so far.

Or The 24 Hour War, by Adam Carolla.



#33 AustinF1

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 05:45

This looks much better than I expected it to. Looking forward to it. But I'll probably be watching it the whole time thinking McConaughey woulda been a better Shelby.



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Posted 04 June 2019 - 07:16

I see they have cast Australian actor Ben Rigby as Bruce McLaren. I guess because Australia is the same place as New Zealand if you are from Hollywood.

 

These Australians can do anything, Chris Hemsworth is both English and Asgardian, not to mention an interstellar traveller from the future. :up:



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 17:38

That's what they said when they cast Dick van Dyke as a cockney in Mary Poppins.

Voice coaches can do pretty amazing things with plenty of time and a dedicated actor.  But instead they gave Dick van Dyke one day with an Irishman who couldn't do a proper cockney accent himself!



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 19:04

Looks pretty trashy to me. Way too many try-hard one liners and flying cars in the trailer. A bit too Hollywood for my liking.



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 19:54

It'll be no Grand Prix (1966) that's for sure. But that film was an absolute masterpice for the racing fan. Deathly boring and melodramatic for those who aren't.

 

Trying to appeal to ordinary masses will always end in compromise. I just hope they do the sport (and history) justice in the process. I'll reserve judgement until seeing it though.



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 20:14

Looks pretty trashy to me. Way too many try-hard one liners and flying cars in the trailer. A bit too Hollywood for my liking.

In other words a typical trailer.



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 21:23

I dunno man, gives me 'Driven' vibes



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#40 RacingGreen

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 21:44

Voice coaches can do pretty amazing things with plenty of time and a dedicated actor.  

 

I'm not having a go at him, I'm just a little surprised by the casting. We will see if he does the role justice, or even if it turns out to be much of a role in this telling of the story at all. I'm actually looking forward to the movie. The whole Ford vs Ferrari battle is a great story, and the central characters are larger than life figures, so the screen writers will have loads of good stuff to work from. However the last Jaz Butterworth written movie I saw was Spectre, and I didn't like it. I thought he muddled the Bond character who at times was more like Roger Moore than Daniel Craig's more gritty interpretation in previous films, but maybe that was just me.  



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 21:45

That's the first film in a long time that I'm genuinely looking forward to watching. Sure, it won't be a documentary, and some artistic license will be applied to facts to dramatize events. On the other hand, the real story is so fascinating in itself that it doesn't actually require much in terms of embellishment, even for non racing fans.

I've greatly enjoyed watching 'The 24 Hour War', but I understand that I fit squarely within its target audience. So that's why I'm not expecting Hollywood to produce something this accurate. But I'm happy that the Ford-Ferrari rivalry will be put under the spotlight for the next generation. I was not born a racing fan. I became one through what I got exposed to. So if a kid goes to a movie to see Matt Damon and gets out hooked on automobile racing, this film will have accomplished something.

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 00:03

Come on, it's not a documentary. 

 

Hopeful that it will give the feel of the time.  That should be the goal of any 2 hour movie portraying a real event.  



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 00:14

 I hope to see the Ferrari perspective as well.

 

That's just as Hollywood as Hollywood.



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 00:53

Not just based on the true story, but based on the INCREDIBLE true story !!!!!!!!!!!!



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 06:11

based on the true story


God I hate that expression - too many times it misleads the great unwashed into thinking a film is basically a documentary when the element of actual truth can be minimal.

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 07:05

You guys really need to leave your die hard motorsport fan flag at home when watching something like this. Gotta just enjoy it for what it is. What's the alternative? Most new movies are a complete pile of **** now.

I am looking forward to an incredible motorsport movie one day that has insanely good character development and is probably going to be minimum effects. But until then, this seems ok.

I felt rush was only ok. Daniel Bruhl was excellent though. Grand prix is a bit overrated in my opinion, but the race scenes are classic.

Edited by goldenboy, 18 June 2019 - 07:05.


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Posted 18 June 2019 - 07:18

I see they have cast Australian actor Ben Rigby as Bruce McLaren. I guess because Australia is the same place as New Zealand if you are from Hollywood.

 

Wow, you really dont understand Australia New Zealand relations do you?  

 

Bruce McLaren was Australian....... allow me to explain.....

 

Before winning an F1 race: Bruce McLaren = New Zealander

After winning an F1 race: Bruce McLaren = Australian

 

Watch when (if) it happens with Liam Lawson, for now, he's still a Kiwi, but once he starts winning...... he's ours!!!!

 

Same as Scotty Mac, ours now, though you can keep SVG, hahaha



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 09:03

While actually it was rather a story of passionate and brave Europeans getting to be a lot of a match for ten times better funded Americans building two times bigger engines.

This.

 

In my world, Ferrari should be the heroes and Ford should be the baddies. Cash-strapped, self-made passioned artisan from a small village in deep Italy vs. huge multinational corporation.



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 13:52

I see this movie as a sequel to the BBC's Cobra Ferrari Wars from seventeen years ago. 

 

 

Not a massive fan of Bale but he's not a bad likeness for Ken Miles.


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#50 klyster

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 06:32

I see they have cast Australian actor Ben Rigby as Bruce McLaren. I guess because Australia is the same place as New Zealand if you are from Hollywood.

I'm a kiwi.

I thought Sir Anthony Hopkins made a great Burt Munro.

It's more about the ability to become that person than their nationality.

 

I would loved to have seen Denny being played by Bruno Laurence.

 

That said, I'll be watching this film!


Edited by klyster, 19 June 2019 - 06:42.