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[Ross Stonefeld]

Big names and a big budget, so there are political reasons for it to be on the ballot.  Plus the expansion to 10 nominees means there needs to be some gap-filling.

 

That makes it more inexplicable though. If we asked someone as mainstream as Mark Kermode for his 10 movies of the year how many of the current nominees would make it? Having the category encompass 10 should mean more opportunities for a movie most of us won't have even heard of. This is like...the best movies/directors/actors of movies that made x-million or were shown in y-thousand theatres. You'd be forgiven for thinking maybe only 20-30 movies came out this year and we chose the ten best from them. 

[ensign14]

In a popular vote though (which is what the nomination procedure is - EVERY Academy member gets to vote for nominees, unlike in the individual awards, where e.g. only actors get to vote for actor nominations) you're not going to get arthouse films that nobody saw.  You're going to get the ones the Academy is most familiar with and the ones most of them have seen. 

 

Music critics might make The Velvet Underground & Nico the best album ever, but if you widen the franchise from 100 to 10,000, I don't know what they'll say.  Something by ****ing Adull probably.  In the same way Best Picture is more or less going to be Films Seen By The Most Academy Members Without Being Too Superhero-ey Or Adam Sandler.

[BRG]

I genuinely don't understand what is so Best Picture about it. It's not particularly compelling, well shot, well acted, or otherwise notable. And that was before I knew how badly plotted it was. Because it's period and everyone get's all Golly Gee about those? Our version of a Jane Austen remake? 

And it is horribly non-diverse.  If it featured Carol Shelby, the famous transgender driver, a gay relationship between Bandini and Ferrari and had Idris Elba playing Ken Miles, I could see it winning awards galore.

Edited by BRG, 05 February 2020 - 17:42.

[red stick]

Oscar winner for sound editing.

Edit: And film editing.

Much like Grand Prix.

Edited by red stick, 10 February 2020 - 02:58.

[Nobody]

And it is horribly non-diverse.  If it featured Carol Shelby, the famous transgender driver, a gay relationship between Bandini and Ferrari and had Idris Elba playing Ken Miles, I could see it winning awards galore.

 

Comments like this make your side indistinguishable from the opposite side of the political divide you claim to be rallying against and 'saving' us poor, knuckle dragging 'sheeple' from.

[BRG]

Comments like this make your side indistinguishable from the opposite side of the political divide you claim to be rallying against and 'saving' us poor, knuckle dragging 'sheeple' from.

WTF does that mean??  

 

When did we pick sides?  What political divide?  When did I make any claims?  

 

But I agree that you seem to be a poor knuckle dragging sheeple (whatever that is?) if that is how you see yourself.

[InSearchOfThe]

I may eventually get around to watching this.

Matt Damon as Carroll Shelby just doesn't compute to me. I don't buy it.

Each to their own...….

[Alex79]

Comments like this make your side indistinguishable from the opposite side of the political divide you claim to be rallying against and 'saving' us poor, knuckle dragging 'sheeple' from.

Hmm not sure if trolling or did not see the Purple Sarcasm Monster looming in the Background

 

No matter, because this might be the reason why Ford v Ferrari got nominated as best picture in the first place. Because it's the Ultimate Dad Movie that does not give a Fig about diversity, liberté, egalité and that stuff. It's just a fun romp from a time a lot of the movie go-ers remembered, and they brought their kids and grandkids along. (quite a lot of petrolheads were in the same theater as me and the film was still playing in Maastricht when Interclassics Oldtimer Event was coming up, Smart move from Pathe Cinema). In the end it nabbed two Oscars, which is the same as Grand Prix did on the same categories. Still think it's a shame Bale and Beltrami missed out on a Nominee, but with Brad Pitt looming in the wings, not much you can do about it. Yer Rick FFing Dalton, don;t you forget it

[red stick]

For the record, Grand Prix also snagged a third Oscar for its sound mixing, an award which last night went to 1917.  Still, not too shabby.

[Nobody]

WTF does that mean??

When did we pick sides? What political divide? When did I make any claims?

But I agree that you seem to be a poor knuckle dragging sheeple (whatever that is?) if that is how you see yourself.

Parasite mopped the floor with everything in sight because it was an infinitely better film than all Hollywood had to offer, and there was no transexual eskimos in it either.

Meanwhile the amazing 1917 had no ethnic vagina in sight and the only reason it didn't beat the vroom vroom film is because there was hardly any editing or sound mixing in at all (and it was still nominated)

Other 'diverse' winners included a doco about poor white people losing their jobs to chinese because of glorious capitalism (that may strike a chord), and a short doco about Afgan girls learning to skateboard and being told it may destroy the universe because in a certain religion girls just shouldn't...

So your stingingly original sarcastic critique of the PC gone mad world may have fallen flat on me, but the reason Christian Bale's head vein didn't win is not because it didn't have any blacks, homos, cats, little women, she-males, depth, the correct amount of gears for a race car, time travel or Sam Neil, it didn't win cos it was in comparison to the others, a bit sh*t, and in comparison to Parasite - a Hannah Montana movie.

So don't worry the status quo remains, the good films are winning for (mostly) the right reasons, and nobody is trying to socially engineer you into marrying your dog in a vegan ceremony

Edited by Nobody, 10 February 2020 - 23:19.

[BRG]

I hope you feel better now.   

[NixxxoN]

The film was completely one-sided to Ford-America POV, and painted Ferrari as completely secondary sort of villains... I expected it, as this comes from Hollywood, but not so much... The title is stupid, should have been "Ford and Murica FTW" or something like that, would've been far more accurate

 

Overall the film was kinda entertanining, it had good moments, some good filler bits, but also couldn't avoid the over-dramatinc scenes and completely nonsensical "100 gears, push the throttle harder to go faster" terrible stuff, fast and furious style... It had its fake parts too but I guess its for making a movie and all...

 

Overall I give it a 6/10 just because it was well produced and well recreated, but I expected more. I thought Rush was far better than this, even though it was not amazing either.

 

Also, massive respect for Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles, true motorsport men. Not so much for the Ford executives

Edited by NixxxoN, 06 April 2020 - 12:48.

[jonpollak]

I hope you feel better now.   

I certainly do..

That was highly entertaining.

Thanks to Nobody.

Jp

[Henri Greuter]

I would have enjoyed the good things of the movie much more if I had know less of the truth and didn't recognized the moments it was raped for the fame and glory of whatever reason.

[NixxxoN]

Another thing is, why do they have to always put the same, typical famous actors in there, instead of more unknown ones? Its so boring to see always the same faces.

[Henri Greuter]

Another thing is, why do they have to always put the same, typical famous actors in there, instead of more unknown ones? Its so boring to see always the same faces.

"names" draw a crowd....

In movies and F1 and anywhere else....

[NixxxoN]

"names" draw a crowd....

In movies and F1 and anywhere else....

 

Unknown or less known names can draw a crowd too
And I will never understand why some people focus so much on the actors instead of the whole movie itself. When I watch a movie, It's because I want to watch A MOVIE, and its characters... not just ACTORS performing.

Edited by NixxxoN, 07 April 2020 - 09:19.

[ensign14]

Unknown or less known names can draw a crowd too

"Come and see a film starring Christian Bale!" versus "Come and see a film starring Fred Snurge!"

[jcbc3]

Also Bale and Damon are very good actors. IMHO

[NixxxoN]

"Come and see a film starring Christian Bale!" versus "Come and see a film starring Fred Snurge!"

What about "come on and see a film based of the true and amazing story of Le Mans 1966" and dont care so much about the goddamn actors.

I dont know who Fred Snurge is but there are like millions of good actors out there.

Edited by NixxxoN, 07 April 2020 - 09:37.

[1969BOAC500]

"names" draw a crowd....

In movies and F1 and anywhere else....

 That's true. But this reminded me of when I took some non-enthusiast friends to the 1982 International Trophy meeting at Silverstone. We arrived in the paddock in time for the F2 early-morning warmup. As we watched from the inside of the Woodcote chicane  a young FF2000 driver came up and stood next to us, watching the F2s very intently.

One of my companions asked me if there were any 'big names' at this meeting. I pointed to the driver and said ' All the magazines are saying this guy could be a future World Champion'.

When I told them his name, my friends were deeply unimpressed - 'never heard of him'.

 

Ayrton da Silva.....

[ensign14]

What about "come on and see a film based of the true and amazing story of Le Mans 1966" and dont care so much about the goddamn actors.

 

 

And you'd get an audience of three dozen petrolheads who would spend the time picking holes in the accuracy.
 

[Henri Greuter]

Unknown or less known names can draw a crowd too
And I will never understand why some people focus so much on the actors instead of the whole movie itself. When I watch a movie, It's because I want to watch A MOVIE, and its characters... not just ACTORS performing.

I have only to think about that series of open wheelers sponsored by football teams, driven by not very well known drivers but with cars fitted with that white elephant of fetisjism within the racing world: V12 engines.

Look how long that series lasted and how attendance figures were.

[NixxxoN]

I have only to think about that series of open wheelers sponsored by football teams, driven by not very well known drivers but with cars fitted with that white elephant of fetisjism within the racing world: V12 engines.

Look how long that series lasted and how attendance figures were.

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[PayasYouRace]

Castling seems to be a bit of an odd thing to criticise for when your alternative is literally somebody has never heard of.

 

Yes, all great actors needed their breakthrough role, and sometimes an unknown can be just perfect. Rush demonstrated that. But at the same time these people have careers too, and it would be stupid to turn down a good actor because they've already been in a movie.

 

Might as well as why we should still have Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel in racing seeing as they've already won things and we should just let some new guys in.

[BRG]

Big films cost a lot of money to make, especially if they have to build elaborate sets such as the e Mans pit lane building, and include a lot of on track filming.  That money has to raised from backers, it doesn't just grow on trees, and those backers want to know that they have a decent chance of getting their money back, plus a handsome profit.  So the backers want big names and Fred Snurge simply won't cut it.  

[Ross Stonefeld]

Yeeeeep. 

 

Unless you think Thor was the best person to play James Hunt? 

[ensign14]

I thought he did a really good job at getting the essence of James Hunt over without doing an outright impersonation.  Very impressive.  Especially as he was up against Daniel Bruhl. 

[Alex79]

I thought he did a really good job at getting the essence of James Hunt over without doing an outright impersonation.  Very impressive.  Especially as he was up against Daniel Bruhl. 

 

Still think it's too bad Thor wasn't in Captain America Civil War. Would have liked a few scenes with Brühl as Helmut Zemo ;)

[Henri Greuter]

https://www.goliath....ed-major-roles/

https://whatculture....or-films?page=5

I don't understand what you wanna try to tell me with this.

 

One thing is for sure: I would have appreciated the movie much more if some of the blatant lies compared with the actual truth and some other over the top scenes in this film were left out and the movie being more historical but then shot with many lesser well know actors. Some of the scenes may have done great on the screen and for the story as the script writers re-created it.

But all of that reminded me about a Looney Tunes cartoon in which Bugs Bunny is interviewed and he is so humble and diligent that Daffy Duck asked "Pass the bucket please"

 

If a historically way more correct movie done without top name actors would have drawn the number of spectators to the cinemas, particularly in the USA, to cover the costs, I doubt it. As BRG already pointed out, this was not exactly the kind of movie they could made because of having found some left over money available for a quickly made modest production of the category `nothing ventured, nothing gained`.