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[Massa]

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Does Mercedes have a world champion bonus?

Marko: "Let's put it this way: It's noticeable that the rule changes and decisions have always been good for Mercedes lately, for example: Pirelli has changed the tire tread for 2019 so they will not overheat, but 2018 had only Mercedes a problem with it.
In 2019 suddenly only Mercedes gets the temperatures always in the correct working window. All other not. It's funny. We all had the opportunity to react to it, but the concepts of the cars were all designed for less downforce. Only Mercedes chose to build a car with a lot of downforce and traction - in hindsight, that was exactly the way to get the most from the new-generation tires. "

Marko continues, "Although I can not prove that Mercedes got data earlier than we did, I can not rule it out, but it does not boost confidence when you look at Liberty company car (it's a Mercedes), with a Stuttgart number in the Monaco paddock, with Pirelli tires on it, we at Red Bull will look very closely at the future development of Formula One and there will also be discussions with Pirelli. "

So the question now is, Is liberty and Pirelli favors Mercedes ?
Or Marko is crazy to suspect something like this ?

[OO7]

Also the safety car is a Mercedes! https://www.youtube....h?v=_zrMykBnidM

[Garndell]

Marko hasn't been taking his meds obviously.    I expect tin foil manufacturers to have a spike in sales.

[DS27]

I don't blame him for being sour (for once)

[Marklar]

 

Although I can not prove that Mercedes got data earlier than we did, I can not rule it out, but it does not boost confidence when you look at Liberty company car (it's a Mercedes), with a Stuttgart number in the Monaco paddock, with Pirelli tires on it

Man, Marko would be such a fantastic addition to this forum 

[Diablobb81]

Marko hasn't been taking his meds obviously.    I expect tin foil manufacturers to have a spike in sales.

 

Of course. Only a lunatic would believe a team would do a secret tire test with a current car.

[peroa]

Well, he should ask Newey why he and his team haven't come to the same conclusions after the tyre tests like merc.

[w1Y]

Yet in 2018 they still beat red bull comfortably.

This is just trying to heap pressure on politically.

He forgets Merc had to change their suspension.

[OvDrone]

Man, Marko would be such a fantastic addition to this forum 

 

Maybe he already is.

 

*looks around apprehensively*

[OO7]

Man, Marko would be such a fantastic addition to this forum 

Although I can not prove Mercedes are running a 3.2L V12 on liquid hydrogen I can not rule it out.

[Atreiu]

How much longer until Red Bull pull the plugs?

[AustinF1]

https://twitter.com/...341923394113537

 

@tgruener

13 hours ago

 

Post race scrutineering showed Mercedes hydraulics was not 100% identical with version that had been replaced in Hamiltons car before the race. But FIA couldn't prove it was working differently and cleared Mercedes. 

[KeithD68]

Accusing the FIA, Liberty, Mercedes and Pirelli of collusion and cheating is a nasty spiteful accusation that has crossed way over the line 

 

I'd charge him with bringing the sport into disrepute

Edited by KeithD68, 11 June 2019 - 20:32.

[P123]

I feel sorry for him a bit- sounds like one of these folks that tortures themselves with conspiracies. Clearly a jigsaw missing a piece in his head. It wasn't that long ago that he was attributing Ferrari's gains on the engine side to help from Mercedes.

[Pimpwerx]

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So the question now is, Is liberty and Pirelli favors Mercedes ?
Or Marko is crazy to suspect something like this ?

OMG! The safety and medical cars are...*gasp*...also Mercedes. This conspiracy was building from even before Merc entered F1. I think Helmut's unlocked the puzzle!

 

Gimme a break. Old man yells at cloud...again.

[P123]

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@tgruener
13 hours ago
 
Post race scrutineering showed Mercedes hydraulics was not 100% identical with version that had been replaced in Hamiltons car before the race. But FIA couldn't prove it was working differently and cleared Mercedes.

Given the things the FIA allows the teams to get away with changing in parc ferme I suspect that is a regular occurrence, but on other occasions not exactly click worthy.

[Clatter]

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@tgruener
13 hours ago

Post race scrutineering showed Mercedes hydraulics was not 100% identical with version that had been replaced in Hamiltons car before the race. But FIA couldn't prove it was working differently and cleared Mercedes.

Surely they don't need to prove the workings, it's purely down to replacing with identical parts and if not you get a penalty. Personally I don't think making repairs should be penalty free anyway.

[ExEd]

Marko 

I stopped reading about there...

[PayasYouRace]

Fixed the thread title.

[DS27]

 Old man yells at cloud...again.

 

 

Well, until the young people start taking their responsibilities seriously and yelling at the clouds, someone's got to do it.

[rootten]

Priceless 

[Counterbalance]

Does Marko forget about the 2013 season when Pirelli increased tyre pressure mid season and Redbull / Vettel went on a nine race winning streak as a result?

[goldenboy]

Marko is an a-hole. Always has been, always will be. Not exactly news worthy.

[thefinalapex]

Does Marko forget about the 2013 season when Pirelli increased tyre pressure mid season and Redbull / Vettel went on a nine race winning streak as a result?

Well there where numerous tyre blowouts during the first half of the season. Mainly Silverstone so Thats a dangerous situation in my book dont know how that works with you?

[Hela]

I mean come on, this is the same guy who said they were ahead of Mercedes during winter test and about a couple of tenths behind Ferrari

It's obvious he lives in a far away land where only magic mushrooms grow and everything's so green

For entertainment value though F1 needs him and as Ron Dennis once said, every village needs an idiot

[Gary Davies]

I’ve been to town on a bus and now I think about, it was a Mercedes and it had Pirelli tyres.

I feel so... used... violated, even.

[Nathan]

I don't see how it would be in Liberty's best interest to do that.

[azza200]

Accusing the FIA, Liberty, Mercedes and Pirelli of collusion and cheating is a nasty spiteful accusation that has crossed way over the line 

 

I'd charge him with bringing the sport into disrepute

 

Nah just give him a 10 second penalty for when he enters the paddock and he has to stand in the penalty box before he can carry on the rest of his day. 

[ArrowsLivery]

Red Bull used to ignore the the summer time stoppage in their heyday, so this is only fair. 

[mclarensmps]

I still don't know what good he is to the team other than being a bitter old mouthpiece

[KWSN - DSM]

 

https://twitter.com/...341923394113537

 

@tgruener

13 hours ago

 

Post race scrutineering showed Mercedes hydraulics was not 100% identical with version that had been replaced in Hamiltons car before the race. But FIA couldn't prove it was working differently and cleared Mercedes. 

 

 

I can not imagine any reason FIA and Liberty would prefer Mercedes winning season after season, but something like this makes for excellent fodder for conspiracy theorists.

 

[Whatisvalis]

Someone's been drinking too much Red Bull.

[RacingGreen]

Mercedes are leading car manufacturer, a racing team and an engine supplier to two other teams. Red Bull are a marketing operation for fizzy drinks. Mercedes sell 2.3 million new cars a year, which must make them one of Pirelli's best customers. Red Bull sell zero cars a year meaning they probably don't even have contact in the Pirelli account's department. You don't have to be a Marko to realize one has a bit more influence at Pirelli and the FIA than the other. No conspiracies are needed, it's just how life works.

[JonnyJ]

Red Bull Gives You Wings Brain Damage

[AustinF1]

Surely they don't need to prove the workings, it's purely down to replacing with identical parts and if not you get a penalty.

Absoluely this imho. If the rules say you're only supposed to change like for like if you make any changes at all, then why must it be proven that someone gained an advantage? Same bullshit excuse they use when letting people get away with abusing track limits. This is how people (not just Merc) get away with things constantly in F1, and it's bullshit. Make a rule and f****** enforce it.

[P123]

I’ve been to town on a bus and now I think about, it was a Mercedes and it had Pirelli tyres.

I feel so... used... violated, even.

Did it only make one stop, whilst having to slow down every few miles due to overheating tyres?

[P123]

Absoluely this imho. If the rules say you're only supposed to change like for like if you make any changes at all, then why must it be proven that someone gained an advantage? Same bullshit excuse they use when letting people get away with abusing track limits. This is how people (not just Merc) get away with things constantly in F1, and it's bullshit. Make a rule and f****** enforce it.

Yeah, but when you see the lists of what can be and is changed in parc ferme (not sure if they publish these anymore), even on cars that are still in working order then it turns out there are 101+ loopholes in it.

Anyway, aren't people losing their minds over the FIA making a rule and ****ing enforcing it?

Edited by P123, 11 June 2019 - 23:11.

[BuddyHolly]

Well Mercedes and Pirelli have been hand-in-hand since 2013, so I can see where he's coming from in some ways.

[pdac]

I don't see how it would be in Liberty's best interest to do that.

 

You forgot to put your Marko hat on.

[pdac]

I can not imagine any reason FIA and Liberty would prefer Mercedes winning season after season, but something like this makes for excellent fodder for conspiracy theorists.

 

 

I can think of a very good reason - it really pisses off Marko (and Horner).

[AvranaKern]

Absoluely this imho. If the rules say you're only supposed to change like for like if you make any changes at all, then why must it be proven that someone gained an advantage? Same bullshit excuse they use when letting people get away with abusing track limits. This is how people (not just Merc) get away with things constantly in F1, and it's bullshit. Make a rule and f****** enforce it.

Stripping Lewis of his win based on this after a race where the winner was decided by a penalty would be too much of a shitshow even the most competent PR people couldn't find enough resolve to deal with.

[KWSN - DSM]

Yeah, but when you see the lists of what can be and is changed in parc ferme (not sure if they publish these anymore), even on cars that are still in working order then it turns out there are 101+ loopholes in it.

Anyway, aren't people losing their minds over the FIA making a rule and ****ing enforcing it?

 

No.

 

[KWSN - DSM]

I can think of a very good reason - it really pisses off Marko (and Horner).

 

That being the reason? Weak one me thinks.

 

[Wuzak]

 

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@tgruener

13 hours ago

 

Post race scrutineering showed Mercedes hydraulics was not 100% identical with version that had been replaced in Hamiltons car before the race. But FIA couldn't prove it was working differently and cleared Mercedes. 

 

 

Surely it is Mercedes' job to prove that the replacement components work the same?

[AustinF1]

Yeah, but when you see the lists of what can be and is changed in parc ferme (not sure if they publish these anymore), even on cars that are still in working order then it turns out there are 101+ loopholes in it.

Anyway, aren't people losing their minds over the FIA making a rule and ****ing enforcing it?

I think they're disagreeing that there was a rule broken. I'm certainly no Vettel fan, but I agree. But these are really separate issues imho. This really has nothing at all to do with what Vettel did in the race.

[AustinF1]

Surely it is Mercedes' job to prove that the replacement components work the same?

I would think so. I can't understand why it's on the FIA to prove an advantage was gained if a part was replaced by an inappropriate part.

[Retrofly]

I want to hazard a guess this happens all the time, we're only hearing about this instance now for, well, obvious reasons.

[Counterbalance]

I would think so. I can't understand why it's on the FIA to prove an advantage was gained if a part was replaced by an inappropriate part.

 

Oh, I dunno - innocent until proven guilty perhaps?

[beachdrifter]

 

https://twitter.com/...341923394113537

 

@tgruener

13 hours ago

 

Post race scrutineering showed Mercedes hydraulics was not 100% identical with version that had been replaced in Hamiltons car before the race. But FIA couldn't prove it was working differently and cleared Mercedes. 

 

 

How is that relevant? There is no need for it being "100% identical". 

[beachdrifter]

I would think so. I can't understand why it's on the FIA to prove an advantage was gained if a part was replaced by an inappropriate part.

 

It wasn't replaced by an "inappropriate part".