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[HammyHamiltonFan]

amazing that people wrote this season off before it was even halfway done, just shows how fickle some "fans" are really.

[ZaZ]

F1 has always been on and off.

If you just look at the end results you tend to see patterns of dominance and associate it with a boring sport.

For instance: Look at 2012. It was in the middle of the Red Bull dominance and quite some people will probably have memories like "oh, that was boring because Vettel won everything"

When in reality it was pretty exciting with 7 different winners in the first 7 races (Button,Alonso,Rosberg,Vettel,Maldonado,Webber,Hamilton)

Then to the contrary the early nineties when Mansell took the title. It was total domination and pretty boring. He never finished lower than 2nd, but just looking at the stats the memories glorify a new winner and somehow fool you that it was still 'real' racing back then, when in fact outsmarting other teams and thus dominating a season has always been a huge factor in F1.

[Henri Greuter]

maybe we should make a difference between the season if it comes to the races and the title battle.

Given the fact that by race 4 the title was already all but decided and by now is secured, Boring season.
That still means we can get some good, enjoyable races, no matter the outcome being in line with the result for the title yes or no.
Some of the races might actually save this season for becoming not even more boring then it is if we only look at the title.

Edited by Henri Greuter, 06 August 2019 - 06:59.

[markeimas27]

As can be seen by the fawning in Germany last weekend over the 2004 Ferrari that Mick drove in respect of his father, people's memories are short. 

 

Yes, they were spectacular cars - undoubtedly. The screaming V10s, the smaller nimble cars dancing through the corners. 

 

BUT

 

Schumacher won the championship in Magny Cours!!! For any newer fans here, that was Round 10 still with 8 races to spare. The next race was Silverstone. He won the championship before Silverstone! That was both incredible and nonsensical. 

 

That level of dominance was a notch above what Red Bull and Mercedes have achieved in the last few years. Mostly down to Mercedes at least letting their drivers race (in the Rosberg era). 

 

For me, 2004 is easily the worst season for competitive racing. This year is actually pretty good apart from a few dull ones. 

[onemoresolo]

Schumacher won the championship in Magny Cours!!! For any newer fans here, that was Round 10 still with 8 races to spare. The next race was Silverstone. He won the championship before Silverstone! That was both incredible and nonsensical. 

 

It was 2002 when Schumacher won the title at Magny Cours, round 11, which was after Silverstone, and there were six races left, not eight.

 

Apart from that, spot on.

Edited by onemoresolo, 06 August 2019 - 09:01.

[PayasYouRace]

As can be seen by the fawning in Germany last weekend over the 2004 Ferrari that Mick drove in respect of his father, people's memories are short. 

 

Yes, they were spectacular cars - undoubtedly. The screaming V10s, the smaller nimble cars dancing through the corners. 

 

BUT

 

Schumacher won the championship in Magny Cours!!! For any newer fans here, that was Round 10 still with 8 races to spare. The next race was Silverstone. He won the championship before Silverstone! That was both incredible and nonsensical. 

 

That level of dominance was a notch above what Red Bull and Mercedes have achieved in the last few years. Mostly down to Mercedes at least letting their drivers race (in the Rosberg era). 

 

For me, 2004 is easily the worst season for competitive racing. This year is actually pretty good apart from a few dull ones. 

 

Not to be too picky, but he won that championship after Silverstone. In 2002 the French Grand Prix was after the British Grand Prix, even though it's usually held before.

[SonGoku]

Schumacher won the title also in Hungary, just shows you how bad it was back then.

[OO7]

Oh they should have won in Canady by pure speed. Always highlighting Seb's mistake but forgetting that he put the car in qualifying where it didn't belong just doesn't make any sense.

The only race this season I'd agree Mercedes wasn't the best car over the weekend was Bahrain (and they won that one). In all other races they were AT LEAST on par with everybody else, most of the time clearly better. They've lost 2 races in which either the drivers underperformed or they were handicapped by a penalty. That's 10 out of 11 races they should have won. So yes, they are the standard this season once again and if we get some kind of interesting races like the last 3 we must be lucky, because the WDC is over since race 3 or 4.

Just like last year, the Ferrari did belong on Pole.

[OO7]

It's not often that the top 3 from F2 (or F3000 or GP2) enter F1 the following year. It's great to see Russell, Norris and Albon make the move.

All three are Brits as well, sort of.

[Baddoer]

amazing that people wrote this season off before it was even halfway done, just shows how fickle some "fans" are really.

This season was done and dusted as soon as W10 has made it's first meters

[PayasYouRace]

All three are Brits as well, sort of.

 

I consider them all Brits.

[Henri Greuter]

As can be seen by the fawning in Germany last weekend over the 2004 Ferrari that Mick drove in respect of his father, people's memories are short. 
 
Yes, they were spectacular cars - undoubtedly. The screaming V10s, the smaller nimble cars dancing through the corners. 
 
BUT
 
Schumacher won the championship in Magny Cours!!! For any newer fans here, that was Round 10 still with 8 races to spare. The next race was Silverstone. He won the championship before Silverstone! That was both incredible and nonsensical. 
 
That level of dominance was a notch above what Red Bull and Mercedes have achieved in the last few years. Mostly down to Mercedes at least letting their drivers race (in the Rosberg era). 
 
For me, 2004 is easily the worst season for competitive racing. This year is actually pretty good apart from a few dull ones.

 
 

It was 2002 when Schumacher won the title at Magny Cours, round 11, which was after Silverstone, and there were six races left, not eight.
 
Apart from that, spot on.

Two things:

in 2002, the point scores was 10-6-4-3-2-1 while for the top 6 it is nowadays 25-18-15-12-10-8. Express the points of the placed 2-6 as a pecentage of the winner's score, the drivers back then got way less for their achievement than nowadays, enabling MS to extend the points gap much faster than nowadays.

On top of that, MS was the only driver that year who had the reliability of 100% that has become the norm nowadays. No other driver had so many point scares as he. Therefore deciding the title in hs favour even faster.

I haven't taken the time but had the point score today still been as it was in 2002, I think there is a decent chance that the gap between Lewis an the others would me way more massive as it is right now but thanks to reliability Bottas, Verstappen and the Ferrari drivers would be closer to Lewis at this stage of the season that the other drivers of 2002 were behind MS.
But also, the number of drivers who should have scored points, if there were 10 or 11 drivers with point by then it will be much. There are not many top six positions left byr the merc drivers, the Ferrari drivers , Verstappen and Gasly&Sainz combined.

Edited by Henri Greuter, 06 August 2019 - 12:52.

[OO7]

I consider them all Brits.

So do I. The "sort of" was because he's chosen to race under his ancestral flag (mothers side), which is what the F.I.A and history books will show.