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[Marklar]

And next one
 

Luke Smith

@LukeSmithF1

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[coppilcus]

When did you become a mind reader an i ask?

If by telepathic powers you understand reading between lines, context and Hamilton’s past statements and actions, I’ve had telepathic powers since the first book I read, movie or sport match I saw, or the second interaction I had in any working environment.

[B38]

Gentlemen, quite sure that coppilcus was being ironic.

[coppilcus]

I get that you are horrible in mind reading, but in reading itself as well? Poor guy 

Right, poor me and not the guy that have an avatar of Eccleston and have learned nothing from such character...

[w1Y]

Fully expect Merc to have more tyre issues today than the other teams. If im lewis id be happy with a podium. There wont be mich overtaking by the front lot. I expect a france style race with the top 4 gapping each other by 4-5 secs. Maybe le clerc will gap even bigger.

Yo make the race interesting id like to see verstappen get le clerc at the start.

[Nonesuch]

When did you become a mind reader an i ask?

 

No need to mind-read.

 

We've all heard Hamilton admit how he lied to the stewards' faces when he thought he could get something out of it.

 

And how he referred to these 'great young drivers' as a "********" when they had the gall to get in his way.

 

And how he attempted to question Räikkönen's character and then had to scurry to admit it was "dumb ****" to say.

 

And called the race director's decision to neutralize a race to make sure marshals could safely do their work "bullshit" because he feared Vettel would Rise to 1st.

 

But yeah, 'heat of the moment' and all that.   

 

Nobody really minds these things. They happen and it's why F1 is the big fun soap opera it is, but let's not pretend otherwise.

[coppilcus]

No need to mind-read.
 
We've all heard Hamilton admit how he lied to the stewards' faces when he thought he could get something out of it.
 
And how he referred to these 'great young drivers' as a "********" when they had the gall to get in his way.
 
And how he attempted to question Räikkönen's character and then had to scurry to admit it was "dumb ****" to say.
 
And called the race director's decision to neutralize a race to make sure marshals could safely do their work "bullshit" because he feared Vettel would Rise to 1st.
 
But yeah, 'heat of the moment' and all that.   
 
Nobody really minds these things. They happen and it's why F1 is the big fun soap opera it is, but let's not pretend otherwise.

Oh my god!

You could certainly play the role of Xavier in the next X-Men movie...

[geralt]

No need to mind-read.

 

We've all heard Hamilton admit how he lied to the stewards' faces when he thought he could get something out of it.

 

And how he referred to these 'great young drivers' as a "********" when they had the gall to get in his way.

 

And how he attempted to question Räikkönen's character and then had to scurry to admit it was "dumb ****" to say.

 

And called the race director's decision to neutralize a race to make sure marshals could safely do their work "bullshit" because he feared Vettel would Rise to 1st.

 

But yeah, 'heat of the moment' and all that. 

 

Nobody really minds these things. They happen and it's why F1 is the big fun soap opera it is, but let's not pretend otherwise.

 

If that's the worst you could think of when it comes to things Hamilton did/said over 12 years, then it's really weak. You could make a list which makes that one pale in comparison with pretty much any other f1 champion (except Kimi of course)

[MonkeySpin]

Fully expect Merc to have more tyre issues today than the other teams. If im lewis id be happy with a podium. There wont be mich overtaking by the front lot. I expect a france style race with the top 4 gapping each other by 4-5 secs. Maybe le clerc will gap even bigger.

Yo make the race interesting id like to see verstappen get le clerc at the start.

 

 

I'm feeling the same. A really bad race coming up here for Mercedes, just like last year for them.

 

I really hope Verstappen gets into the lead on the first lap as this will then make it a fun race I think. Otherwise Leclerc will sail off into the distance on them softs.

[Marklar]

Right, poor me and not the guy that have an avatar of Eccleston and have learned nothing from such character...

There is plenty of stuff you better should not learn from him   
 

But yeah, 'heat of the moment' and all that. 

 

I know that you are being your usual ironic self, but in the heat of the moment you do tend to react differently (and even there he is tame compared to many drivers). If a driver gets it after calming down and have a look at it what is wrong with this? Many drivers have to much of an ego to even do that   
 

Fully expect Merc to have more tyre issues today than the other teams. If im lewis id be happy with a podium. There wont be mich overtaking by the front lot. I expect a france style race with the top 4 gapping each other by 4-5 secs. Maybe le clerc will gap even bigger.

Yo make the race interesting id like to see verstappen get le clerc at the start.

If the Ferrari stays ahead and the soft is not cooking away I expect the race to be similar as you describe it (obviously the reaction will be a lot different than in France though) simply because nobody will be able to overtake them unless their top speed disappears in the race.

Apparently Mercedes had cooling issues yesterday, so that will probably not be helpful. But if Hamilton was capable to stay with Vettel the whole race in Montreal where engine and brake wear is pretty critical when following, I dont see why they shouldnt be able to do this here too.

Have a feeling that Max has a good shot in this one....

[Pimpwerx]

No need to mind-read.

 

We've all heard Hamilton admit how he lied to the stewards' faces when he thought he could get something out of it.

 

And how he referred to these 'great young drivers' as a "********" when they had the gall to get in his way.

 

And how he attempted to question Räikkönen's character and then had to scurry to admit it was "dumb ****" to say.

 

And called the race director's decision to neutralize a race to make sure marshals could safely do their work "bullshit" because he feared Vettel would Rise to 1st.

 

But yeah, 'heat of the moment' and all that. 

 

Nobody really minds these things. They happen and it's why F1 is the big fun soap opera it is, but let's not pretend otherwise.

You always lose when you start questioning how genuine someone is when showing gratitude or compliments.

 

You don't know what they're thinking, so it's always better to just not say anything, than try to put a negative spin on it.

 

Seb has shown very emotional reactions when things don't go his way, most-recently in Canada, but I'd never question his gesture in the garage yesterday, when he tried to lift the spirits of his mechanics. Sincere or not, it's the fact that he made the gesture that is important. I don't like to be cynical about such things. It feels petty, and you put the person in a situation where they just can't win, no matter what they do.

[derstatic]

Anything on the nature of Vettel's engine problem in qualifying?

[P123]

You always lose when you start questioning how genuine someone is when showing gratitude or compliments.
 
You don't know what they're thinking, so it's always better to just not say anything, than try to put a negative spin on it.
 
Seb has shown very emotional reactions when things don't go his way, most-recently in Canada, but I'd never question his gesture in the garage yesterday, when he tried to lift the spirits of his mechanics. Sincere or not, it's the fact that he made the gesture that is important. I don't like to be cynical about such things. It feels petty, and you put the person in a situation where they just can't win, no matter what they do.

I think the person you are replying to has been bottling that up. It's a frustration led post. In the spirit of mind-reading, Hamilton is well and truly in their head.

[Synkro89]

Hamilton is well and truly in their head.

 

[gillesfan76]

Yes, terrible...

No one believes him, just his die hard fans.

He’s not complimenting Leclerc and he does not respect the stewards as he desperately tries to portray on social media.

 

No, obviously it's just you. Many non-fans of him think very differently to you. It's fine for you to have a different opinion, but it's a bit sad that the only thing you can scratch up is a generic reference to his social media posts. I mean, at least be specific and refer to some of his posing posts, obviously related to his branding or brand ambassador for specific designers, which I can freely admit are a bit cringeworthy against good taste. But he also makes some great social media posts which are obviously of worthy causes and obvious that he's sincerely passionate about.

 

Just as it's patently obvious that he is genuinely complimenting Leclerc; and in the case of his penalty for blocking Kimi he genuinely agrees he made an error and deserved the penalty. He confirmed as much during the post-qualifying press conference before he even saw the stewards, and it's likely that when he did see the stewards he would've admitted his actions would've at the least distracted Kimi making it a pretty easy case for them to award the penalty. But hey, it's not just the "die hard Lewis fans" as you falsely claim, there are posters in here who admit they don't particularly like him, but unlike you, are unbiased enough to agree he's generally a stand up guy.

 

I respect your right to dislike him, but not your nonsense statements like "No one believes him, just his die hard fans". That's just untrue, and you know it, which means you're lying. Interesting.

[Pimpwerx]

I'm hazy on the tire rules. Does Seb have to start on his Q2 Softs, or can he now change tires due to not running in Q3? I assume the former.

[f1paul]

I'm hazy on the tire rules. Does Seb have to start on his Q2 Softs, or can he now change tires due to not running in Q3? I assume the former.

Correct. He starts on the softs he used in Q2 because he got into Q3.

 

 

If you get into Q3, you start on the tyres you set your fastest time on in Q2, no matter if you take part in Q3 or not.

[milestone 11]

Masi confirms penalties are still imposed chronologically.
Edit.
Also to the format shown yesterday.

Edited by milestone 11, 30 June 2019 - 11:46.

[Pimpwerx]

Correct. He starts on the softs he used in Q2 because he got into Q3.

 

 

If you get into Q3, you start on the tyres you set your fastest time on in Q2, no matter if you take part in Q3 or not.

Thanks. That's how I understood it, but wasn't sure because I feel like other drivers have been able to change their tires. I suppose that is if a change is made to the car that necessitates a grid drop, or pit start. Then they're allowed to change.

 

Masi confirms penalties are still imposed chronologically.
Edit.
Also to the format shown yesterday.

My understanding is chronology only comes into play if you have 2 drivers end up in the same spot after penalties are applied.

[milestone 11]

My understanding is chronology only comes into play if you have 2 drivers end up in the same spot after penalties are applied.

No, the chronology is always applied. See my explanation from last night.

[renzmann]

I think leclerc will be in trouble. Starting on softs with cooking weather and a full tank are great ingredients for another Ferrari strategy classic.

[Ultraviolet]

No, 6. The illustration is marginally wrong inasmuch as 3 place penalties are being issued to each driver, but not being shown as such. Lewis is notionally in 5th alone because Mag is in p10, Ver in 3rd gets a 3 place penalty taking him to p6 but importantly behind Norris because he was there first. Then Bottas in P4 gets a 3place penalty takes him to P7 which the illustration doesn't have, let's say Rai is there but he's there before Bottas so the grid would be in this illustration would be,
1 Lec
2 Ham
3 Nor
4 Ver
5 Rai
6 Bot
Clear as mud eh!

 

To me, logic would say that you take the grid as per qualifying. You identify the drivers with penalties, and apply those. So, Hamilton qualified second and had a three place penalty. He starts 5th. Magnussen qualified 5th and has a five place penalty, so he starts 10th.

 

Having identified the positions of all those with penalties, you then slot in all those without penalties into the appropriate slots.

 

As things have been done, Hamilton has been given only a two place penalty for an offence deemed worthy of a three place penalty. That's not right. My approach would solve that.

[milestone 11]

To me, logic would say that you take the grid as per qualifying. You identify the drivers with penalties, and apply those. So, Hamilton qualified second and had a three place penalty. He starts 5th. Magnussen qualified 5th and has a five place penalty, so he starts 10th.
 
Having identified the positions of all those with penalties, you then slot in all those without penalties into the appropriate slots.
 
As things have been done, Hamilton has been given only a two place penalty for an offence deemed worthy of a three place penalty. That's not right. My approach would solve that.

So tell me, with your format who starts in P2, 3 and 4?

[Ultraviolet]

So tell me, with your format who starts in P2, 3 and 4?

 

Well, I would have thought that was fairly easy to discern from my description of my approach.

 

Hamilton starts 5th because he had a penalty. So the top five places would be:

 

1. Leclerc

2. Max

3. Bottas

4. Lando

5. Hamilton

[Xwang]

Vettel has put a new set of red tyres to break-in them.
Are they thinking to a two stop strategy?

[milestone 11]

Well, I would have thought that was fairly easy to discern from my description of my approach.
 
Hamilton starts 5th because he had a penalty. So the top five places would be:
 
1. Leclerc
2. Max
3. Bottas
4. Lando
5. Hamilton

Explain what is fair in Lando getting a position ahead of Lewis. It's manifestly unfair in my book and far from logical. On that premise if everyone other than P20 were to get a one place penalty, P20 would be awarded pole!

[renzmann]

Vettel has put a new set of red tyres to break-in them.
Are they thinking to a two stop strategy?

Don't think they were planning two stops yesterday, but they'll sure have to go for two stops. If they're lucky, everyone else will have to as well.

[PayasYouRace]

Explain what is fair in Lando getting a position ahead of Lewis. It's manifestly unfair in my book and far from logical. On that premise if everyone other than P20 were to get a one place penalty, P20 would be awarded pole!

That would probably be more fair than if everyone other than P20 getting a one place penalty and only P19 actually loses a place.

As often happens, extreme examples become absurd. Always happens with discussions of points systems too.

[TomNokoe]

Air 33
Track 51

[PayasYouRace]

Let’s focus on the race thread now.

https://forums.autos...pe-it-too-much/

[f1supreme]

must be a 2 stopper,,could spice things up abit more

[Marklar]

Well, I would have thought that was fairly easy to discern from my description of my approach.

Hamilton starts 5th because he had a penalty. So the top five places would be:

1. Leclerc
2. Max
3. Bottas
4. Lando
5. Hamilton

The problem with this is to make it work you need to shuffle the grid after every penalty which lead in the past to situations where P15 with a 10 place grid penalty, started ahead of P17 with a 3 places grid penalty. Is that fair, no?

Of course you could say just make 2+3 = 5, 15+10=25 and 17+3=20, but then 6+0=6 (Norris)...