40 replies to this topic

[owenmahamilton]

Does anyone else think that the Red Bull Ring is too short for modern day F1? If the current rules were changed so that the cars could run in their fastest possible configuration (for example qualifying tires and enough fuel for an out lap a flying lap and an in lap) then I could quite easily see lap times under the 60 second barrier which in my opinion is too short a lap time. Having a longer lap would have also helped prevent some of the blocking that occurred in today's qualifying.

[Anja]

Absolutely not, quite the opposite in fact - more variety is exactly what F1 needs. 

[Nonesuch]

One minute plus a bit is fine.

 

Some short, some long tracks. It's all good.

[MikeV1987]

I have no problems with short laps, in fact I kind of like it better. Plus it adds some variety since most of the newer circuits are similar in a lot of ways. I don't care if qualifying is a traffic jam, it's up to the teams to send their cars out at the right time. It's not the tracks fault they all get sent out at the same time with 2 mins left in Q3.

Edited by MikeV1987, 29 June 2019 - 14:45.

[PlayboyRacer]

I love it... as do alot of the drivers. It's a great track, please do not touch lol

[PayasYouRace]

Nothing wrong with a short lap. Anyway, it’s similar length to other circuits on the calendar. But it’s fast. We like fast!

[Risil]

Longer lap only if they bring back the original layout.

[4444]

Absolutely not, quite the opposite in fact - more variety is exactly what F1 needs. 

 

And fans are still bitching about the Monte Carlo street circuit.

[mgs315]

On the plus side the fans get to see the cars more on race day.

[Marklar]

I wouldnt mind the long version of the track, however I gotta agree with Anja. We have so many tracks with 1:20-1:30 lap times, we need far more Spas and Spielbergs. More variety, especially on such a damn long calendar, is always better.

[SophieB]

I think it’s fine.

Pretty, too!

[Afterburner]

Would you play a golf course made exclusively of par 4’s?

[muramasa]

Rather almost all of newer tracks are too long either in distance or laptime, actually length itself is not issue but, thing is that many traditional tracks that are long such as Spa and Suzuka are long for good reasons and points and that's superb but damn those recent tracks, including the revised Silverstone unfortunately, are long just for the sake of being long and that's the issue for me.

[dweller23]

I like the variety it adds to F1 season. Having all track ~90s lap Tilkedromes is like having 36 cookie cutter races in Nascar.

[Grundle]

Nothing wrong with Japanese length tracks

[LuluBerlu]

If it is just because of the penalties, there is some on a long track too, so it is not a good reason.

The "thing" on the last corner before the fast lap is more to resolve (and blame, it becomes a joke) imo than the length of the track.

And yes, variety is good (even if I don't like too much a track with 3 straights and 8 corners).

[f1paul]

Its one of the best tracks F1 goes to of the year!

 

What Anja said is spot on.

[Myrvold]

Does anyone else think that the Red Bull Ring is too short for modern day F1? 

Damon Hill complained a bit about the same thing when it returned as A1 ring. But no. It's not too short. You know that e.g Hungaroring is just 60-70 meter longer?

[PayasYouRace]

Damon Hill complained a bit about the same thing when it returned as A1 ring. But no. It's not too short. You know that e.g Hungaroring is just 60-70 meter longer?

 

Also, Interlagos and Mexico City are both shorter laps. So is Monaco but that's a bit of a special case.

[Dr. Austin]

Longer lap only if they bring back the original layout.

 

Please bring the old circuit back.

[w1Y]

williams may last past lap 3 before getting lapped

[Garndell]

It's too short for 20+ of these limos.  Shave at least 1m off the cars and it's fine though.

[CoolBreeze]

It;s a perfect track than that **** we had last week.

[Laster]

Variety in race tracks is great, I just wish it and the likes of Monza had more laps come race day so it would last longer than an hour ten or fifteen minutes.

[PayasYouRace]

My initial thought was that making races longer would be a problem because of the long life components the teams have to use.

 

But, I'd say given that the Monaco GP is 45 km shorter in total distance than a standard grand prix, they could take those saved km and add them to Monza and RBR to make the races longer in time.

[muramasa]

My initial thought was that making races longer would be a problem because of the long life components the teams have to use.

 

But, I'd say given that the Monaco GP is 45 km shorter in total distance than a standard grand prix, they could take those saved km and add them to Monza and RBR to make the races longer in time.

Just another 50 or 100km added to the race distance for some races shouldn't be an issue for components life, just about PU, many parts, like exhaust pipes, inlet system, valves, actuators, pumps, sensors, wires, hoses, spark plugs, injectors, nuts, bolts, seals, bearings, MGU shafts, etc etc are exchanged every GP or every day many of them way before its expiry anyways. One race added to the calendar has much more effect and impact to it. And if there is still concern they can easily increase seasonal allocation for PU and gearbox.

The problem of having longer race for the moment is fuel, tracks like Canada and US have always been very severe on fuel and tracks like Spa, Monza, Sochi etc etc are very high on fuel consumption too, so while high speed tracks like Monza A1 Paul Ricard etc should have longer race in terms of track config, there's dilemma that the faster the track gets the more difficult it becomes to have longer race under current F1 framework of max 110kg of fuel and no refueling.

[PayasYouRace]

That's true. You'd have to increase the fuel allowance.

[kumo7]

"too" short is a emotional terms, I think.

And Yes, I wold love to see the longer original track back !

(I know that is no longer a possibility tho.)

[OneLapWonder]

I think it's great. It makes qualifying closer and spectators get to see the cars pass by more often in the race. Win-win.

[PayasYouRace]

"too" short is a emotional terms, I think.

And Yes, I wold love to see the longer original track back !

(I know that is no longer a possibility tho.)

 

It is a possibility. Red Bull were even talking about it recently.

[Bloggsworth]

Brands Hatch GP circuit is 2.433 miles (3.908km for you furriners) andNigel Mansell, in a Williams FW11-Honda went round in 1:09.593 in 1986. That was spectacular to watch, as BH is a far more complex circuit than Austria - It's not the length of the track that determines the quality of the racing, but the action that takes place on it. I wonder, just how fast would the first 4 on the grid today lap BH?

[PayasYouRace]

Brands Hatch doesn't have many slow corners. Only really Druids hairpin which is a bit like the Gosser curve. Graham Hill is a bit slower since 1986 and Sheene is bit different to the old Dingle Dell corner.

 

Would be interesting. I think they'd be breaking a minute at Brands. Medium and fast corners are where the current cars have their greatest advantage over mid-eighties turbo monsters. In F1 2013 I was close to a minute in the 2013 cars at Brands.

[milestone 11]

Brands Hatch GP circuit is 2.433 miles (3.908km for you furriners) andNigel Mansell, in a Williams FW11-Honda went round in 1:09.593 in 1986. That was spectacular to watch, as BH is a far more complex circuit than Austria - It's not the length of the track that determines the quality of the racing, but the action that takes place on it. I wonder, just how fast would the first 4 on the grid today lap BH?

Sub 1 minute, just, I think. The FW11 was 13 seconds slower than this years pole at Monaco.

[Pimpwerx]

It's short, yes, but not too short, IMO. The blocking was definitely exacerbated by the short length, but as someone else noted, variety is the spice of life. It's like NASCAR and Indycar run some bull rings and 1 mile ovals, and then some ginormous super speedways. It creates a different dynamic in both qualifying and the race. A trailing driver is only ever about a minute away from another overtaking opportunity, and likewise in qualifying, there's a chance to get another last-gasp run in. As the ladies would say, it's not all about length, it's about girth. Sorry, couldn't help myself. Narrow circuits create more problems than short circuits.

[PayasYouRace]

Sub 1 minute, just, I think. The FW11 was 13 seconds slower than this years pole at Monaco.

 

Monaco has changed a lot too, at the end of the lap. It's a lot faster now.

[milestone 11]

Monaco has changed a lot too, at the end of the lap. It's a lot faster now.

Agreed, the chicane too.

[Goron3]

I actually love the simplicity of it. There aren't any mickey-mouse segments on this circuit compared to most modern tracks.

[Ramon69]

It's a great track, length really doesn't matter.

[Atreiu]

We do not need another 5.5 km 95 seconds lap.

Red Bull Ring is fine.

[Eff1]

It’s fine, I don’t mind short tracks

[Bloggsworth]

Wot I said - It's not the length of the track, it's the action on it...