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#1 Glengavel

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 20:30

https://www.bbc.co.u...otland-48855659

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#2 john aston

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 06:41

Well , that's a good enough excuse for me to sample those lovely border roads again this summer ..



#3 2F-001

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 07:08

Is R6 the car that has hitherto been a part of a faintly bizarre (if not macabre) art installation?

I had sometimes wondered what condition it might be in.


Edited by 2F-001, 04 July 2019 - 07:24.


#4 Tim Murray

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 07:53

Yes indeed - it’s lived for many years in the Museum Tinguely in Basle as part of an ‘art installation’ titled Fünf Witwen (Five Widows):

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I assume the ladies are staying in Basle.

#5 Pullman99

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 11:34

Well done to all at Duns!   Great to see a car going on display in an appropriate location.  :clap:

 

So, that just leaves R8 (in the Moderna Museet in Stockholm) currently and somewhat disinterestedly out of view.



#6 Tom Glowacki

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 15:13

Too bad it's just a loan, but at least it is a start. 



#7 Pullman99

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Posted 05 July 2019 - 06:31

R6 is also due to appear at Goodwood today for the FOS on the Lotus stand before going on display at Duns.    Not able to be there this year unfortunately.

 

Link here to the FOS Lotus story 

 

https://www.goodwood...r6-to-fos-2019/


Edited by Pullman99, 05 July 2019 - 06:31.


#8 PhantomRaspberryBlower

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Posted 05 July 2019 - 11:20

 

Link here to the FOS Lotus story 

 

https://www.goodwood...r6-to-fos-2019/

 

From that link:

 

The final classics to wind their way up the hill will be two Lotus 72s, the most successful F1 car in the history of motorsport. Following a restoration by Classic Team Lotus, one Chassis 5 will be united with its 1972 Championship winning driver Emerson Fittipaldi, while multiple Le Mans winner Jacky Ickx, who raced a Lotus 72 in the 1974 and 1975 seasons, will drive another.

 

 

So, both R5s running! This tickles me no end for some reason.

 

Vaguely related, I always wondered what DSJ meant when he wrote that R9 'didn't look shiny and new' (to paraphrase) when it first raced. Apologies for the OT, just some random babblings.


Edited by PhantomRaspberryBlower, 06 October 2019 - 16:54.


#9 Tim Murray

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 19:47

The new Jim Clark Museum today opened to the public following yesterday’s official opening gathering.

https://www.bbc.co.u...otland-48937219

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 22:00


Vaguely related, I always wondered what DSJ meant when he wrote that R9 'didn't look shiny and new' (to paraphrase) when it first raced. Apologies for the OT, just some random babblings.

When did he say that?

#11 elansprint72

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 20:09

I'm off to the JC Museum, next week (already been to the "rooms" several times).

 

Thanks to "Ancestry" and dna testing it turns out that I've got a half-Sister who lives in Duns. Her husband has been involved in running the JC rally! Small world, eh!  :smoking:

 

I was at Classic TL two weeks ago and bumped into Bob Dance, he was visiting Duns this past week.


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#12 PhantomRaspberryBlower

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 16:54

When did he say that?

 

Motorsport magazine April 1975, page 44

Team Lotus had purportedly a brand new Type 72, number nine in the series, though it did not look sparkling and new, but was said to be the last 72 that will be made, though only time will answer that one. This car, 72/R9 was driven by Peterson...

 

 

Seems to me to be heavily implying it wasn't a new car at all, who knows?

 

Sorry for the late reply.



#13 john aston

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 17:28

My first trip to the new set up today - on a whim , needing to get B**xit respite . A delightful drive up through the Borders - top up, sadly as it was wet - and a real transformation from the rather cramped 'rooms '. Light , airy , interpretative text clear and informative ( I  found 2 typos , one error and Donington could have that per line ) and lots of stuff to look at ,watch and hear. And the 25 and Franchitti's ex Clark Cortina  (not 1557 cc , guys, but 1558 surely ?) . Excellent staff , and I bought my wife a Jim Clark tea towel. 'Oh, you shouldn't have '- I am sure not to be construed literally.  :rolleyes:

 

Lots of people , and the gleaming 25 looked lovely under the lights . . Leaving  Duns , past the Aitken Walker garage - so more memories triggered ...



#14 Tim Murray

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 18:08

1557 cc would seem to be closer to the actual displacement than 1558. The relevant dimensions are:

Bore 82.55 mm (3.25 in)
Stroke 72.746 mm (2.864 in)

which give a displacement of 1557.37 cc (95.04 cu in).

#15 ensign14

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 18:59

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#16 john aston

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 06:36

Tim- every road test I read of cars using the twin cam said 1558cc . It is one of those magic numbers like 427, 289 , 1275 and 4235 .



#17 Tim Murray

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 06:42

Couldn’t agree more, John, but the museum’s figure is also not incorrect.  ;)

#18 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 21:00

Tim- every road test I read of cars using the twin cam said 1558cc . It is one of those magic numbers like 427, 289 , 1275 and 4235 .

 

Don't believe too much in magic numbers. These days everybody has a phone with a calculator so "exact" capacities can be calculated. A lot of the magic numbers come from the days of the slide rule.

Could you tell me the metric capacity of the "289" engine?

I am currently working on cleaning up my database for engine capacities and searching for bore and stroke values for all kinds of engines. (This should be a separate thread, maybe I will start one soon), so I have seen a lot recently.

One of the things I found out is that some (mostly British and American) engines are designed to imperial dimensions, while others use the (much easier for me) SI units.

The "1558" engine appears to be an obvious case of imperial values. These do not use decimals, but fractions.

The bore is clear. 82.55 mm is 3.25 inch (exactly). But that is supposed to be 3 1/4", since fractions are used.

The stroke, however is not so clear. 72.746 is an odd number in millimeters, and 2.864 inch doesn't make sense either. It doesn't translate easily into fractions.

We have to go back to the original specifications to find out the real dimensions, and don't be surprised if "magic numbers" turn out to be slightly incorrect.



#19 john aston

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 06:49

4727cc - 289 ci  . As fitted in AC 289, Mustang and lots else .



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#20 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 17:57

I have started a new thread called Racing cars - Cubic capacity.

No use hi-jacking this thread any more for something only marginally relevant, though interesting (for me at least)